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 2010-04-15 7:51 PM in reply to: #2794485 |
Elite  2423  |  Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed.wbayek - 2010-04-15 3:22 PM Aaron asked me to post my mile splits for the half mary, so here they are: 8:32 8:31 8:23 8:20 8:20 8:27 8:44 (2:55 stop) 8:38 9:00 9:10 (2:45 stop) 9:35 11:27 9:12 1:55 Yeah it looks like you bonked, but even so you were able to recover some or just dig deep and finish pretty strong. |
| 2010-04-16 7:35 AM in reply to: #2794502 |
Master 1736    Midcoast Maine | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. billsorg - 2010-04-15 3:30 AM bfoyle - 2010-04-15 11:09 AM Warren, I'm in a similar boat on the bi-lateral breathing. I felt like I was going slower and slower and my form was getting worse and worse, so I actually took a break from trying that for a few weeks leading up to my last race. I need to get back on it and start trying again but I can honestly say I'm not looking forward to it. Those new tricks for this old dog are a PITA! Soldier on, man...just think of all the new neural pathways you're creating! Ugh! Bi-lateral breathing... the bane of my existance! I've tried over the past couple of years to incorporate it into my training, but I always feel like I'm starting back on square 1. I can swim 3,000 continuous yds only breathing to the left, but if I try bi-lateral, I'm winded before I reach 50 yds. So every year its the same thing... I say I'll work on it in the offseason... and it never happens. Oh well, I guess my tri nickname can just be Lefty. I have tried and tried and tried to do bi-lateral breathing...I will make myself do it for an entire workout...but the second I get into a stressful situation (race, sprints, master's swimming), I fall immediately back onto breathing on my left side only. At this point, I figure there is some cosmic reason I need to be breathing on my left side - so I will try to bi-lateral breathe when I am drilling and just let the breaths come where they may in a race, etc. Glad to hear you are still trying the rollers, Warren - I have it in the back of my head, but haven't gotten the courage up. Have you noticed any change in your bike handling skills outside? When I got outside for a bike for the first time this spring, I realized how sloppy I had gotten riding the trainer. I like the trainer - but it really is different than riding outside. |
| 2010-04-16 8:20 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Master 1736 Midcoast Maine | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Hey - best of luck to Matt for his Oly and Jeremy on his sprint. Go fast! Have fun! |
| 2010-04-16 8:21 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Extreme Veteran 386 Rio Rancho - where you can ride year round! | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. everyone enjoy the weekend! I hope everyone has great weather to do whatever it is you have planned! |
| 2010-04-16 8:46 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Expert 1246 West Grove, PA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. So what exactly are the benefits of rollers? Besides risking life and limb, doesn't it give you the same basic workout as the trainer? |
| 2010-04-16 9:25 AM in reply to: #2793715 |
Veteran 526 Richmond | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. bfoyle - 2010-04-15 10:09 AM Warren, I'm in a similar boat on the bi-lateral breathing. I felt like I was going slower and slower and my form was getting worse and worse, so I actually took a break from trying that for a few weeks leading up to my last race. I need to get back on it and start trying again but I can honestly say I'm not looking forward to it. Those new tricks for this old dog are a PITA! Soldier on, man...just think of all the new neural pathways you're creating! Just keep at it, I had the same experience at first, felt like poor form, neck strain/pain, etc. One technique that helped I read maybe on that swim smooth site, was to have someone walk with you on the deck and look at thier feet when you come up to breathe. I didn't ever have anyone walk with me, so I just tried to look at the edge of the pool across from where I was breathing and someones feet would be if they were walking along with me. I just did it every workout almost during warmup and slower main sets and sometimes on cooldowns when I wasn't too tired. I am now doing it much more comfortably and will likely try it during my Olympic this weekend. I didn't try it on my sprint race as I just swam my guts out and didn't worry about breathing. |
| 2010-04-16 9:26 AM in reply to: #2795716 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-04-16 8:35 AM Glad to hear you are still trying the rollers, Warren - I have it in the back of my head, but haven't gotten the courage up. Have you noticed any change in your bike handling skills outside? When I got outside for a bike for the first time this spring, I realized how sloppy I had gotten riding the trainer. I like the trainer - but it really is different than riding outside. I haven't been outside yet on the bike. We've had some nice weather but I just haven't had the right schedule time to do it. On a side note question - I can fit a 45 minute workout very nicely into my Tues/Thurs life without impacting family stuff (a huge priority for me), and I've used that as a run time. Do you think I can get a good enough outside bike workout in that time to ride rather than run sometimes? |
| 2010-04-16 9:31 AM in reply to: #2795716 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-04-16 8:35 AM billsorg - 2010-04-15 3:30 AM bfoyle - 2010-04-15 11:09 AM Warren, I'm in a similar boat on the bi-lateral breathing. I felt like I was going slower and slower and my form was getting worse and worse, so I actually took a break from trying that for a few weeks leading up to my last race. I need to get back on it and start trying again but I can honestly say I'm not looking forward to it. Those new tricks for this old dog are a PITA! Soldier on, man...just think of all the new neural pathways you're creating! Ugh! Bi-lateral breathing... the bane of my existance! I've tried over the past couple of years to incorporate it into my training, but I always feel like I'm starting back on square 1. I can swim 3,000 continuous yds only breathing to the left, but if I try bi-lateral, I'm winded before I reach 50 yds. So every year its the same thing... I say I'll work on it in the offseason... and it never happens. Oh well, I guess my tri nickname can just be Lefty. I have tried and tried and tried to do bi-lateral breathing...I will make myself do it for an entire workout...but the second I get into a stressful situation (race, sprints, master's swimming), I fall immediately back onto breathing on my left side only. At this point, I figure there is some cosmic reason I need to be breathing on my left side - so I will try to bi-lateral breathe when I am drilling and just let the breaths come where they may in a race, etc. In terms of bilateral breathing, it's strange but that's my natural way to swim. Particular if I'm trying to swim smooth and easy (not a full out sprint), I fall into bilateral breathing naturally. I think the reason for training with bilateral breathing is really just to make sure your stroke is balanced between both sides since we tend to have a different rotation during our breath strokes. I know that a LOT of people advocate training bilateral but not worrying about it during a race - just do what comes naturally and gets you to T1 with enough energy to kill the rest of the race. Of course, bilateral ability would come in handy if there is surf or people on your "normal" breathing side during a race. Now for the rollers... |
| 2010-04-16 9:42 AM in reply to: #2795716 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-04-16 8:35 AM billsorg - 2010-04-15 3:30 AM bfoyle - 2010-04-15 11:09 AM Warren, I'm in a similar boat on the bi-lateral breathing. I felt like I was going slower and slower and my form was getting worse and worse, so I actually took a break from trying that for a few weeks leading up to my last race. I need to get back on it and start trying again but I can honestly say I'm not looking forward to it. Those new tricks for this old dog are a PITA! Soldier on, man...just think of all the new neural pathways you're creating! Ugh! Bi-lateral breathing... the bane of my existance! I've tried over the past couple of years to incorporate it into my training, but I always feel like I'm starting back on square 1. I can swim 3,000 continuous yds only breathing to the left, but if I try bi-lateral, I'm winded before I reach 50 yds. So every year its the same thing... I say I'll work on it in the offseason... and it never happens. Oh well, I guess my tri nickname can just be Lefty. I have tried and tried and tried to do bi-lateral breathing...I will make myself do it for an entire workout...but the second I get into a stressful situation (race, sprints, master's swimming), I fall immediately back onto breathing on my left side only. At this point, I figure there is some cosmic reason I need to be breathing on my left side - so I will try to bi-lateral breathe when I am drilling and just let the breaths come where they may in a race, etc. Glad to hear you are still trying the rollers, Warren - I have it in the back of my head, but haven't gotten the courage up. Have you noticed any change in your bike handling skills outside? When I got outside for a bike for the first time this spring, I realized how sloppy I had gotten riding the trainer. I like the trainer - but it really is different than riding outside. Not sure I got it but one day bilateral breathing just clicked. I used to start each set with it and then reverted to one side. Now its all I do except in very short (25y) sprints. |
| 2010-04-16 9:51 AM in reply to: #2795852 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. barelfly - 2010-04-16 9:21 AM everyone enjoy the weekend! I hope everyone has great weather to do whatever it is you have planned! Same to everyone! Looking to get some riding in myself since I have slacked this past week and last. |
| 2010-04-16 9:53 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Extreme Veteran 386 Rio Rancho - where you can ride year round! | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. bilateral breathing is a natural part of my swimming as well - I never had to adapt to it. As for one-sided breathing, I find I get dizzy if I do it too much - so I will breathe in a pattern like this if I feel winded - breathe on the right stroke, left stroke, breathe on the right stroke, go three strokes, breath on the left, stroke, breathe on the left, and alternate back to the right (if that makes sense, so a 2, 2, 3, 2 2....). doing this a few times seems to get me back on track when winded. |
| 2010-04-16 10:10 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. You're ready Jeremy. Follow your plan and kick it. |
| 2010-04-18 7:21 AM in reply to: #2796060 |
Master 1736 Midcoast Maine | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. wbayek - 2010-04-15 10:26 PM itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-04-16 8:35 AM Glad to hear you are still trying the rollers, Warren - I have it in the back of my head, but haven't gotten the courage up. Have you noticed any change in your bike handling skills outside? When I got outside for a bike for the first time this spring, I realized how sloppy I had gotten riding the trainer. I like the trainer - but it really is different than riding outside. I haven't been outside yet on the bike. We've had some nice weather but I just haven't had the right schedule time to do it. On a side note question - I can fit a 45 minute workout very nicely into my Tues/Thurs life without impacting family stuff (a huge priority for me), and I've used that as a run time. Do you think I can get a good enough outside bike workout in that time to ride rather than run sometimes? I read recently about this guy (Fat Cyclist - a great cycling blog) who rode over 100 miles non-stop on his rollers. Now that's some mad skillz! |
| 2010-04-18 12:54 PM in reply to: #2799162 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-04-18 8:21 AM I read recently about this guy (Fat Cyclist - a great cycling blog) who rode over 100 miles non-stop on his rollers. Now that's some mad skillz! That's nuts. I did 15 minutes today though - new PR! |
| 2010-04-18 1:08 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
Extreme Veteran 386 Rio Rancho - where you can ride year round! | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. hey guys! well - race is over and it was great. no podium for me (hey - always good to have lofty goals! makes you work harder!). but I did PR the entire race. the results aren't online yet, so I don't remember exactly what my splits were, but close to this: overall - 1:32:23 - (my watch time) PR even with a 5k longer bike leg 5k run - 25:15 (PR) 30k bike - ~ 57:30 400 swim - 8:45 (PR in a race, could have been better - will tell in race report) so - overall I was 9/21 in AG and 38 out of ~ 110 men...those dudes in front of me were fricken flying! Thank you to the entire group! you all helped me so much with your posts (especially the run! I was hoping for a sub 26!)...the discussions we had on quantity of runs, short runs more times, etc...all a HUGE help! I'll let you all know when I post the race report. |
| 2010-04-18 2:39 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Awesome race Jeremy. PRs all around, that's a solid way to start the season. Great paces for hilly terrain. |
| 2010-04-18 6:09 PM in reply to: #2799563 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. wbayek - 2010-04-18 1:54 PM itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-04-18 8:21 AM I read recently about this guy (Fat Cyclist - a great cycling blog) who rode over 100 miles non-stop on his rollers. Now that's some mad skillz! That's nuts. I did 15 minutes today though - new PR! Thats crazy. I have done 100miles on my trainer before... but that does not require as much skill just more stupidity I think. |
| 2010-04-18 6:10 PM in reply to: #2799579 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. barelfly - 2010-04-18 2:08 PM hey guys! well - race is over and it was great. no podium for me (hey - always good to have lofty goals! makes you work harder!). but I did PR the entire race. the results aren't online yet, so I don't remember exactly what my splits were, but close to this: overall - 1:32:23 - (my watch time) PR even with a 5k longer bike leg 5k run - 25:15 (PR) 30k bike - ~ 57:30 400 swim - 8:45 (PR in a race, could have been better - will tell in race report) so - overall I was 9/21 in AG and 38 out of ~ 110 men...those dudes in front of me were fricken flying! Thank you to the entire group! you all helped me so much with your posts (especially the run! I was hoping for a sub 26!)...the discussions we had on quantity of runs, short runs more times, etc...all a HUGE help! I'll let you all know when I post the race report. Those are some awesome times! |
| 2010-04-18 7:28 PM in reply to: #2799946 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. aarondavidson - 2010-04-18 7:09 PM wbayek - 2010-04-18 1:54 PM itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-04-18 8:21 AM I read recently about this guy (Fat Cyclist - a great cycling blog) who rode over 100 miles non-stop on his rollers. Now that's some mad skillz! That's nuts. I did 15 minutes today though - new PR! Thats crazy. I have done 100miles on my trainer before... but that does not require as much skill just more stupidity I think. I am even more impressed with you than even Aaron. 100 miles on the trainer is awesome. Stupid or not, I have a new goal! |
| 2010-04-18 10:22 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
Extreme Veteran 386 Rio Rancho - where you can ride year round! | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. here's the race report and a few pics my wife was able to snap. http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=204109&posts=1&start=1 |
| 2010-04-19 8:54 AM in reply to: #2799579 |
Expert 1246 West Grove, PA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. barelfly - 2010-04-18 2:08 PM hey guys! well - race is over and it was great. no podium for me (hey - always good to have lofty goals! makes you work harder!). but I did PR the entire race. the results aren't online yet, so I don't remember exactly what my splits were, but close to this: overall - 1:32:23 - (my watch time) PR even with a 5k longer bike leg 5k run - 25:15 (PR) 30k bike - ~ 57:30 400 swim - 8:45 (PR in a race, could have been better - will tell in race report) so - overall I was 9/21 in AG and 38 out of ~ 110 men...those dudes in front of me were fricken flying! Thank you to the entire group! you all helped me so much with your posts (especially the run! I was hoping for a sub 26!)...the discussions we had on quantity of runs, short runs more times, etc...all a HUGE help! I'll let you all know when I post the race report. Great race, Jeremy! Congrats on the PR's. Just goes to show you what hard work and training can do for you! Very inspirational! |
| 2010-04-19 9:01 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Veteran 526 Richmond | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. |
| 2010-04-19 9:41 AM in reply to: #2800899 |
Expert 1246 West Grove, PA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. mdfahy - 2010-04-19 10:01 AM Here's my race report. http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=204135 Awesome race, Matt. You had some adversity, but you powered though it. Well done. And it sounded like this was your first OWS... congrats on that as well! |
| 2010-04-19 9:45 AM in reply to: #2799579 |
Veteran 526 Richmond | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. barelfly - 2010-04-18 1:08 PM hey guys! well - race is over and it was great. no podium for me (hey - always good to have lofty goals! makes you work harder!). but I did PR the entire race. the results aren't online yet, so I don't remember exactly what my splits were, but close to this: overall - 1:32:23 - (my watch time) PR even with a 5k longer bike leg 5k run - 25:15 (PR) 30k bike - ~ 57:30 400 swim - 8:45 (PR in a race, could have been better - will tell in race report) so - overall I was 9/21 in AG and 38 out of ~ 110 men...those dudes in front of me were fricken flying! Thank you to the entire group! you all helped me so much with your posts (especially the run! I was hoping for a sub 26!)...the discussions we had on quantity of runs, short runs more times, etc...all a HUGE help! I'll let you all know when I post the race report. Congrats Jeremy, a PR is always a good day out on the course! That bike time is sweet considering you had some hills to deal with and your transitions are lighting fast! Way to go! |
| 2010-04-19 12:30 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
Extreme Veteran 542 Pauls Valley, OK | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Looks like everyone had a busy week. Hopefully, I will have time the next 3 days to read through everything. Aaron, no aerobic exercise because the PADI manual and our scuba instructor warned against exercise for several hours after diving as it can trigger a BENDS episode. So, I took it safe seeing as we were diving 2-4 times a day. Besides, my ankle, hip, and ITB benefitted from the rest. |
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