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 2011-03-10 2:41 PM in reply to: #3392373 |
Iron Donkey 38643       , Wisconsin |  Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:bscharff - 2011-03-10 2:00 PM good stuff here... nice examples of some of the issues with collective bargaining......
Ben - thanks for the info, but you should have provided a link instead of copying/pasting. Thanks.
Totally makes sense here that there are those that abuse the system. I suppose it's not done in the private sector? Edited by 1stTimeTri 2011-03-10 2:50 PM |
| 2011-03-10 2:51 PM in reply to: #3392023 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: TriRSquared - 2011-03-10 11:48 AM 1stTimeTri - 2011-03-10 9:28 AM Fred Doucette - 2011-03-10 3:53 AM 1stTimeTri - Nope. Now he's a d-bag . There you go again. Name calling, very nice. I thought you were 'moderating' your own thread. Oh wait, just the stuff you disagree with When 2 BT'ers get into it, I have a concern. He's not a BT'er (that I'm aware of). I have more respect for my fellow BT'ers. And, they aren't the ones making some crazy decision. Yet people got dinked for calling the President "O-bozo". Same thing isn't it? No. The President was called "O-bozo". The Wi. Gov. was not called "O-bozo". |
| 2011-03-10 2:52 PM in reply to: #3392380 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: Fred Doucette - 2011-03-10 2:03 PM TriRSquared - 2011-03-10 12:48 PM the problem is a bigger one that has affected many things imho. There is a breakdown in civility in regards to many of our important discussions, especially contentious political ones. It serves no one well and we'd all do well to reduce it.1stTimeTri - 2011-03-10 9:28 AM Fred Doucette - 2011-03-10 3:53 AM 1stTimeTri - Nope. Now he's a d-bag . There you go again. Name calling, very nice. I thought you were 'moderating' your own thread. Oh wait, just the stuff you disagree with When 2 BT'ers get into it, I have a concern. He's not a BT'er (that I'm aware of). I have more respect for my fellow BT'ers. And, they aren't the ones making some crazy decision. Yet people got dinked for calling the President "O-bozo". Same thing isn't it? I thought you stated that you were done here? |
 2011-03-10 3:12 PM in reply to: #3392489 |
| Subject: ... This user's post has been ignored. Edited by Fred Doucette 2011-03-10 3:14 PM |
| 2011-03-10 3:17 PM in reply to: #3360477 |
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| 2011-03-10 3:29 PM in reply to: #3392539 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: Fred Doucette - 2011-03-10 3:12 PM 1stTimeTri I thought you stated that you were done here? Yeah, you are right. Actually I stopped commenting on the Wisconsin bill/union situation awhile ago and was more concerned about civility of your comments to the governor of Wisconsin. In fact one can actually STRONGLY disagree with someone without calling them a D-bag. Then again maybe not. Did you remember acknowledging earlier in the thread that the title of your thread was not the most appropriate? Yep. Now, are we done? |
| 2011-03-10 4:15 PM in reply to: #3392539 |
| Expert 1192 Oak Creek, WI | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: Fred Doucette - 2011-03-10 3:12 PM 1stTimeTri I thought you stated that you were done here? Yeah, you are right. Actually I stopped commenting on the Wisconsin bill/union situation awhile ago and was more concerned about civility of your comments to the governor of Wisconsin. In fact one can actually STRONGLY disagree with someone without calling them a D-bag. Then again maybe not. Did you remember acknowledging earlier in the thread that the title of your thread was not the most appropriate? Regardless of the title of the thread... I can vouch for Phil that he is a stand up guy...!!! |
| 2011-03-10 4:26 PM in reply to: #3392466 |
| Expert 1192 Oak Creek, WI | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: 1stTimeTri - 2011-03-10 2:41 PM bscharff - 2011-03-10 2:00 PM good stuff here... nice examples of some of the issues with collective bargaining......
Ben - thanks for the info, but you should have provided a link instead of copying/pasting. Thanks.
Totally makes sense here that there are those that abuse the system. I suppose it's not done in the private sector? sorry about that... probably would have been a better option... RE: your question - I think that is largely why we have seen such a dramatic decline in private unions... because the same thing did/does happen there... again, i have no qualm with public employees making a good, competitive wage... which i believe that this largely comes back to - since there are myriad protections built in through other employment laws... i just think that unions/CBAs create significant and unnecessary expense and become overly burdensome for government (in this case) to be able to manage those within the union/CBA… |
| 2011-03-10 4:36 PM in reply to: #3392567 |
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| 2011-03-10 4:39 PM in reply to: #3392630 |
| Subject: ... This user's post has been ignored. Edited by Fred Doucette 2011-03-10 4:48 PM |
| 2011-03-10 4:48 PM in reply to: #3392466 |
| Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: 1stTimeTri - 2011-03-10 2:41 PM the difference generally is that in the private sector, there is recourse for actions via disciplinary actions, job loss or from the companies standpoint, bad business practices and abuses can and will lead to lower share price or even for the biz to fail. part of the issue i think i this case is that there can be limited recourse or accountability at times and schools dont necessarily go out of business, they can just get real sucky. bscharff - 2011-03-10 2:00 PM good stuff here... nice examples of some of the issues with collective bargaining......
Ben - thanks for the info, but you should have provided a link instead of copying/pasting. Thanks.
Totally makes sense here that there are those that abuse the system. I suppose it's not done in the private sector? |
| 2011-03-10 5:14 PM in reply to: #3392695 |
| Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: This is what happens when you cross the Unions: Sent to Wisconsin State Senator Dan Kapanke: WE WILL HUNT YOU DOWN. WE WILL SLIT YOUR THROATS. WE WILL DRINK YOUR BLOOD. I WILL HAVE YOUR DECAPITATED HEAD ON A PIKE IN THE MADISON TOWN SQUARE. THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING. Perhaps if there were a time for President Obama to inject himself in the business of our state, it would be now-- to call for peace and a coming together just as he did in Arizona a few weeks ago. Something tells me I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen, though. |
| 2011-03-10 5:31 PM in reply to: #3392735 |
| Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: scoobysdad - 2011-03-10 5:14 PM This is what happens when you cross the Unions: Sent to Wisconsin State Senator Dan Kapanke: WE WILL HUNT YOU DOWN. WE WILL SLIT YOUR THROATS. WE WILL DRINK YOUR BLOOD. I WILL HAVE YOUR DECAPITATED HEAD ON A PIKE IN THE MADISON TOWN SQUARE. THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING. Perhaps if there were a time for President Obama to inject himself in the business of our state, it would be now-- to call for peace and a coming together just as he did in Arizona a few weeks ago. Something tells me I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen, though. the sad thing is i am sure this happens all the time on both sides of the aisle. some folks with serious issues. |
| 2011-03-10 9:47 PM in reply to: #3392686 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: Fred Doucette - 2011-03-10 4:39 PM bscharff - Regardless of the title of the thread... I can vouch for Phil that he is a stand up guy...!!! Oh no doubt. I suspect almost everyone here is a stand-up person.... I'm a little worried when someone is wielding a sword and shield *noting his avatar*. |
| 2011-03-10 9:48 PM in reply to: #3392759 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: jszat - 2011-03-10 5:31 PM scoobysdad - 2011-03-10 5:14 PM This is what happens when you cross the Unions: Sent to Wisconsin State Senator Dan Kapanke: WE WILL HUNT YOU DOWN. WE WILL SLIT YOUR THROATS. WE WILL DRINK YOUR BLOOD. I WILL HAVE YOUR DECAPITATED HEAD ON A PIKE IN THE MADISON TOWN SQUARE. THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING. Perhaps if there were a time for President Obama to inject himself in the business of our state, it would be now-- to call for peace and a coming together just as he did in Arizona a few weeks ago. Something tells me I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen, though. the sad thing is i am sure this happens all the time on both sides of the aisle. some folks with serious issues.PLEEEEEEEEEEASE LET'S GET THROUGH THIS ALREADY!!! |
| 2011-03-10 10:32 PM in reply to: #3392630 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: bscharff - 2011-03-10 4:15 PM Fred Doucette - 2011-03-10 3:12 PM 1stTimeTri I thought you stated that you were done here? Yeah, you are right. Actually I stopped commenting on the Wisconsin bill/union situation awhile ago and was more concerned about civility of your comments to the governor of Wisconsin. In fact one can actually STRONGLY disagree with someone without calling them a D-bag. Then again maybe not. Did you remember acknowledging earlier in the thread that the title of your thread was not the most appropriate? Regardless of the title of the thread... I can vouch for Phil that he is a stand up guy...!!! Thanks, Ben. |
| 2011-03-11 10:55 AM in reply to: #3357526 |
| Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:
Hey Phil, question for you. According to this article you will have to start paying 12% of health premiums and 5.8% of your income will go to your pension. They also say that you longer are forced to pay union dues and that they are not planning furlough days after June of this year, whereas you had 16 in the last two years. So my question is, have you been able to run the numbers yet to see what you were paying in dues and furlough? And will these changes affect your amount of take home pay or will it essentially be a wash as far as your paycheck is concerned?
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| 2011-03-11 11:19 AM in reply to: #3393765 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: Aarondb4 - 2011-03-11 10:55 AM
Hey Phil, question for you. According to this article you will have to start paying 12% of health premiums and 5.8% of your income will go to your pension. They also say that you NO longer are forced to pay union dues and that they are not planning furlough days after June of this year, whereas you had 16 in the last two years. So my question is, have you been able to run the numbers yet to see what you were paying in dues and furlough? And will these changes affect your amount of take home pay or will it essentially be a wash as far as your paycheck is concerned?
The bolded is what I think you missed, above. I can run some numbers, but not at this time. I'll do some checking when I have a chance. I've been receiving HR information that's been answering a number of these "How will this affect sick leave, etc. ..." questions. I need to go over the information this weekend (hopefully). |
| 2011-03-11 11:38 AM in reply to: #3393804 |
| Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: 1stTimeTri - 2011-03-11 10:19 AM Aarondb4 - 2011-03-11 10:55 AM
Hey Phil, question for you. According to this article you will have to start paying 12% of health premiums and 5.8% of your income will go to your pension. They also say that you NO longer are forced to pay union dues and that they are not planning furlough days after June of this year, whereas you had 16 in the last two years. So my question is, have you been able to run the numbers yet to see what you were paying in dues and furlough? And will these changes affect your amount of take home pay or will it essentially be a wash as far as your paycheck is concerned?
The bolded is what I think you missed, above. I can run some numbers, but not at this time. I'll do some checking when I have a chance. I've been receiving HR information that's been answering a number of these "How will this affect sick leave, etc. ..." questions. I need to go over the information this weekend (hopefully). Correct, I did miss the no. Any ideas what the normal union dues are? Just curious as to how all this is going to shake out for someone like you. I hope it doesn't affect you too dramatically.
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| 2011-03-11 12:17 PM in reply to: #3357526 |
| Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: According to this article: For Wisconsin teachers, union dues total between $700 and $1,000 a year. |
| 2011-03-11 2:27 PM in reply to: #3357526 |
| Extreme Veteran 312 | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: The GOP is getting death threats in WI - imagine if conservatives were doing this - I haven't seen anything on the mainstream press.
http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/article/20110311/WDH0101/303110067/Multimedia-18-GOP-senators-report-getting-death-threats?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
I guess you only need to be civil if you are a Republican/conservative. |
| 2011-03-11 2:30 PM in reply to: #3394144 |
| Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: RedShark - 2011-03-11 2:27 PM The GOP is getting death threats in WI - imagine if conservatives were doing this - I haven't seen anything on the mainstream press.
http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/article/20110311/WDH0101/303110067/Multimedia-18-GOP-senators-report-getting-death-threats?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
I guess you only need to be civil if you are a Republican/conservative. Lack of civility knows no party. R's and D's have been more than guilty of this in the past. |
| 2011-03-11 3:05 PM in reply to: #3393838 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: Aarondb4 - 2011-03-11 11:38 AM 1stTimeTri - 2011-03-11 10:19 AM Aarondb4 - 2011-03-11 10:55 AM
Hey Phil, question for you. According to this article you will have to start paying 12% of health premiums and 5.8% of your income will go to your pension. They also say that you NO longer are forced to pay union dues and that they are not planning furlough days after June of this year, whereas you had 16 in the last two years. So my question is, have you been able to run the numbers yet to see what you were paying in dues and furlough? And will these changes affect your amount of take home pay or will it essentially be a wash as far as your paycheck is concerned?
The bolded is what I think you missed, above. I can run some numbers, but not at this time. I'll do some checking when I have a chance. I've been receiving HR information that's been answering a number of these "How will this affect sick leave, etc. ..." questions. I need to go over the information this weekend (hopefully). Correct, I did miss the no. Any ideas what the normal union dues are? Just curious as to how all this is going to shake out for someone like you. I hope it doesn't affect you too dramatically. Thanks. |
| 2011-03-13 9:24 AM in reply to: #3357526 |
| Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: I wonder what percentage of the 100,000 people protesting in Madison are WI residents? Funny how those adhering to the rules and framed as the bad guys and those breaking the rules and given a pass. The actions and words of the union bosses and the politicians calling for blood are one of the reasosn so many averarge American citizens have a negative attitude of the Unions today. |
| 2011-03-13 10:32 AM in reply to: #3395497 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI: crusevegas - 2011-03-13 9:24 AM I wonder what percentage of the 100,000 people protesting in Madison are WI residents? Funny how those adhering to the rules and framed as the bad guys and those breaking the rules and given a pass. The actions and words of the union bosses and the politicians calling for blood are one of the reasosn so many averarge American citizens have a negative attitude of the Unions today. Or politicians/legislators. |
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