Beer Drinker Appreciation/Accountability Society 3 - Closed (Page 35)

Originally posted by Brian W



I figure barefoot running isn't realistic due to rocks sharp things and the fact that I don't live in a cave haha. I was amazed how differently my legs feel on impact when I went for a short barefoot run in a park today though.

I spent a great deal of time at the NEWTON running lab tonight though. I really enjoy their premise and business plan. Take away the marketing gimmicks of the cushion and reduce drop from heel to toe. This high drop is generally what causes people to "subconsciously change their gait" and heel strike. Upon putting on my new gravity shoes I instantly felt different just standing because your heel is not up and angled.

NEWTON shoes promote forefoot strike but not because this shoe is designed different or has something others don't, in fact it is so much LESS shoe than we are used to. I noticed my NATURAL mid/forefoot strike returned without my huge clunkers. We naturally land and strike mid/forefoot when running barefoot, NEWTON seems to provide just enough shoe to be safe and comfortable without chaning our natural tendencies...even though "natural" for us has changed over the years of running in progressively more and more shoes (atleast for my 8 years of experience)

Not to be too salesman like but I'm really excited about these shoes. Mainly because I'm form obsessed and have noticed how I feel victim to my clunkers. HOKAS felt nice and cushiony but I noticed the extra cushion was treating the SYMPTOM of heel striking (muscle/shin pain-it's why thy feel like running on clouds...you ARE!) But your form still sucks and the clouds mask it. The newtons go straight to the cause by treating and promoting FORM instead of the byproduct of poor form.

David, that's great your Cadence is up. Generally the higher it gets the shorter your stride. The shorter the stride the more "under" your body you land. And when you are landing under your knee it becomes much much harder to heel strike. Hopefully you can keep the number rising. I know In all my years focusing on Cadence really helped me and a lot of the rest followed suit.

Ok off my shoe soapbox now

Originally posted by drfoodlove

Morning Beer Drinkers!

I've been off a full week and I'm going stir crazy!! What I thought was a simple cold has developed into a respiratory infection with pleurisy (inflammation of the lining of the lungs)--ugh. Since it feels like I'm being stabbed in the chest every time I take a breath, I'm out for a while longer. Probably at least another week before I can think about any training, maybe two. Worst part, yes, worse than the stabbiness of breathing, is that there is no beer allowed.

David--good news about the first 1.5miles--no pain is always a good thing. Good luck at your job fair this weekend!!

Alex--I feel your pain! I've never had to aquajog, but I've heard good things about it from some friends who use it to minimize wear and tear from running.

Everyone else--hope training is going well!!

Originally posted by MOlsen

Minimal / zero-drop running does take some getting used to. If you have been running in high drop shoes your tendons are shortened and need to stretch out compared to zero-drop.

Today I went for a swim, planned around 1500-1700m but only made it 500m. My arms just felt like jello, still do! Guess my body was telling me to take it easy today.

Originally posted by Qua17

My trip to the LBS was awesome. We spent the first 45 minutes trying on different speedplay pedels and the difference was amazing. The first set they tried felt better - but after 5 minutes the familiar ache was back. They tried on the next size up - I think it was an inch and a quarter. That felt better but my hip still hurt after 15 minutes. So he tried on the longest speedplay pedals and they just felt great. The hip was still sore but the motion felt so much better. It's my hope that after riding for a few weeks - the ache will just go away.

I also invested in some assos bike pants. Holy crap what a difference. I almost puked when he handed them to me (he actually handed me 3 different pairs with three price points) but the first didn't fit well. But when I put on the Assos - I could hardly feel my sit bones when I sat on the seat. So I ended up dropping 200 bucks for a pair of bike shorts. I almost balked at buying them and then remembered how I felt after being on the bike for 3 hours and figured it would be worth the money. We shall see.

Night all!

Originally posted by Bradleykd

I've been looking at going the speedplay route as I don't have enough float with my shimano cleats. If I adjust my cleats at an angle to keep my toes from pushing on the side of my shoes, my heels hit the chain stays... it's pretty uncomfortable. I saw you mentioned "the longest speedplays," I haven't seen anything about different lengths in my research online, can you elaborate on that a little?

Originally posted by Qua17



Brian - My journey towards finishing an IM has forced me to think in new ways. In order to make it happen - I will have to. Since high school - I addressed the problem (pain) and not the cause (horrific form and the slowest stride rate on the planet). Reflecting - it seems stupid that I just kept stretching more (there were times last year when I was stretching for more than 5 hours per week). Now I am forced to think and try new things. Right now - I'm focusing on stride rate and form. To really make that change happen - I very well may end up moving towards shoes more like the newton's than the "clouds" I'm using right now.

Originally posted by mirthfuldragon





I'm not certain where I am going with it, but my point is that good form, regardless of shoe, is important. Pick the right tool for the situation.

Originally posted by b2b14

this is an actual picture of the roads

Originally posted by b2b14

this is an actual picture of the roads

Originally posted by mirthfuldragon



Shoe discussions are always fascinating to me. I run in just about everything.

I'm a huge fan of Hokas. They revolutionized my long runs. I like my minimalist Kinvaras too, and my day-to-day shoe is a Triumph.

There seems to be a disconnect, or a logical misstep, between equating Hokas with poor running form, and minimalist shoes with good running form. I think a truism that minimalist shoes are harsh mistresses, and don't let folks get away with poor form, and that they encourage proper running. I don't think Hokas or other cushion shoes encourage poor form, but rather they simply let you get away with it.

For the average age-grouper, non-runner triathlete [I'm equally mediocre at all three sports, and don't have a running background, or swimming, or cycling . . .], I think that if you haven't tried Hokas for your long runs, you at least should give them a shot. Comparing my 15 mile run in my normal midweight trainers and my 20 milers in Hokas, the 15 miler tore me up something fierce, and the 20 left me smiling and confident.

A bad analogy is probably a pull buoy - it's a tool, like anything else, that lets you work on specific things.

I'm not certain where I am going with it, but my point is that good form, regardless of shoe, is important. Pick the right tool for the situation.

Originally posted by Qua17

I am *%#!ing stoked! Today, I went out for a run in the snow, which is something that I absolutely love to do. It was fantastic. On most road, there was maybe an inch of snow on the road so I had to take it nice and slow. Yet there were others that hadn't been plowed recently and I had an absolute blast running through 3 inches of fine powder. I had run about three and I decided to ignore the fact that it was a rest week and go for 6 miles, which has been my goal since October. By the time I ran down the path to our house - I had clocked 6.75. And my hip and leg feel decent. Maybe this is the corner I've been waiting to turn all these months. God, I hope so.

I'm celebrating with Westside Rye Ale by Boulevard Brewing Co. One of my favorite breweries but this beer isn't great.

Originally posted by mirthfuldragon



Shoe discussions are always fascinating to me. I run in just about everything.

I'm a huge fan of Hokas. They revolutionized my long runs. I like my minimalist Kinvaras too, and my day-to-day shoe is a Triumph.

There seems to be a disconnect, or a logical misstep, between equating Hokas with poor running form, and minimalist shoes with good running form. I think a truism that minimalist shoes are harsh mistresses, and don't let folks get away with poor form, and that they encourage proper running. ******************I don't think Hokas or other cushion shoes encourage poor form, but rather they simply let you get away with it.**************

For the average age-grouper, non-runner triathlete [I'm equally mediocre at all three sports, and don't have a running background, or swimming, or cycling . . .], I think that if you haven't tried Hokas for your long runs, you at least should give them a shot. Comparing my 15 mile run in my normal midweight trainers and my 20 milers in Hokas, the 15 miler tore me up something fierce, and the 20 left me smiling and confident.

A bad analogy is probably a pull buoy - it's a tool, like anything else, that lets you work on specific things.

I'm not certain where I am going with it, but my point is that good form, regardless of shoe, is important. Pick the right tool for the situation.

Originally posted by Bradleykd

you may want to work on bike position before cleat position... that thing is sitting on the ceiling with no hooks to hold it there... seems dangerous.