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Nicole83 - 2010-01-05 3:42 PM Oh okay good. 

I was going to have to really put my censor in place as this is just the tip of the iceberg kids.

golfpro - 2010-01-06 3:35 PM No offense at all! :D I was LMAO when (can't remember who wrote) about great nips batman- Pa-tink!
Nicole83 - 2010-01-05 3:10 PMAw man, I hope you guys aren't serious.  I really don't mean to offend anyone.

Justin does, but I don't.  I promise.

golfpro - 2010-01-06 1:07 PM Jeez! yes! sick! ..

Houstonrider - 2010-01-05 12:25 PM SICK, SICK PEOPLE.........


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I don't like posting long stuff but found this VERY interesting as we are or trying to be Endurance Athletes. Posted by Chris and the link he gives at the bottom by Steve Lehman- even better read. I will definitely be buying some compression socks and stretching on the way home after a race.


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This is an e-mail I sent out to my tri club.  Having some extra time on my hands has allowed me to do some research on this issue which frankly, I was ignorant of.  No idea if they'll publish it to the club, but thought it might be of interest.  I invite true medical professionals to identify or correct any misstatements, or add any additional info.


First, I am not a physician, nor able to offer medical advice.  However, I hope the LATC mods see fit to allow this e-mail through, as I think every AG triathlete (and pro) should be aware of the issue (I admit previous ignorance).  I do not think, in 5 years of tris, from sprint to Ironman, that I have ever heard about it in an LATC e-mail, or read about it in Competitor or Triathlete (not that I've read every word, nor to fault any source for not mentioning it).  
Second, this is not written to scare, but hopefully to educate.  There are things you can do to lower the risks.  I encourage people to read the attached links and do your own research and follow the advice.  

This is the time of year people start flying to Lake Placid, Madison, Penticton, etc., and spend 10 to 17 hours hammering ourselves, pushing our bodies further than we thought possible, dehydrating our systems, and suffering through injuries, so we can hear Mike Reilly's voice at the finish (and I get that, really).  After the race, we wrap ourselves in space blankets, lie down in the grass, maybe get a massage, drink a beer, but in general stop moving as soon as we can, and crawl into our beds.  The next day, we spend several hours stuffed in planes or cars coming home.  Then we go back to work and sit idly at our desks for several hours writing race reports.  

As triathletes we often consider ourselves healthier and fitter than the average person in the next cubicle over.  And that's true.  And good.   But it's not necessarily always a good thing, it turns out.  I had heard of DVT (deep vein thrombosis, or blood clots in deep veins, usually in the legs), and frankly outside of scuba had never heard of PE, or pulmonary embolism (PEs usually occur when a DVT breaks free, travels through the heart, and lodges in the lungs, although there are other less common causes).  I always assumed DVTs were suffered by overweight and out of shape scotch drinking business flyers.  Or, more publicly, David Bloom, a war correspondent who spent hours a day in a cramped Humvee in Iraq (turns out it was the PE that killed him).  I certainly didn't think these were things that we triathletes needed to worry about.  Hell, I've done an IM and a bunch of HIMs, lead an active life, young, relatively healthy, no way this happens to me.

That is, until I was diagnosed last week with multiple bilateral PEs.  

My symptoms started several weeks ago with a shortness of breath, starting on exercise but soon while at rest as well.  Just in general I felt sorely out of shape.  I had gone from completing IMAZ last November to utterly out of shape, suffering through WF long course in May.  Weeks of CBCs, x rays, EKGs, CT scans, pulse ox tests, spirometer tests, showed that my heart was strong and my lungs were functioning properly, leading to misdiagnoses of bronchitis, walking pneumonia, pleurisy, exercise induced asthma and post viral bronchospasms.   

It wasn't until last Wednesday (ironically, the day I got my CBC panel showing me to be in "perfect health" and a pulmonologist giving me an inhaler and telling me that the pain in my side on breathing was probably a pulled muscle from coughing) when I drove myself to the ER in excruciating pain on breathing, that a lung CT was finally done, showing the emboli.  Upon which I was promptly admitted to the hospital, where I spent the next four days, suffering further indignities such as peeing in a bottle and wearing one of those gowns.

But I could have buck naked for all I cared at that point.   One of the articles linked states that you will find "the zenith of your pain threshold" with a PE.  I can attest.  Vicodin could not touch it.  It was not until I got IV drugs, which made the TV run down the wall, that I could finally breathe without pain.  Thankfully, it wasn't until a few days later that I learned how dangerous PEs are, and that most are not diagnosed until the autopsy.  Sobering.

Where did mine come from?  We don't know yet.  Perhaps a DVT following Wildflower long course and then the 5 hour drive home?  Perhaps genetics?  Perhaps some other cause?   Yet to be learned.  I have been put on blood thinners, which means, if I am smart (and my wife locks up the bikes), I am off the bike for the next 6 months or so.  Since my blood will clot very slowly on the thinners, falling and hitting my head would be a "not good thing."  I have gone from IMAZ and Wildflower to brisk walks on the Esplanade as my main source of exercise.

Some info (as read from the literature):
one study says 85% of DVT cases involve endurance athletes - marathoners, triathletes, runners, etc.
Because you are young, healthy and active, DVTs and PEs are often misdiagnosed (like mine was), up to 70% misdiagnosis
30% or so of first presentation PE are fatal
Most case of PE are diagnosed on autopsy

Are endurance athletes more prone to clots?  I haven't seen anything saying yes.  But there seems to be some connection between the two.  Or perhaps a connection between the way we "recover" which raises the risk factors

What can you do.   Read the attached articles (sorry they seem to be poorly titled), but primarily it appears that staying well hydrated, taking frequent breaks if driving or standing up every few minutes if flying, cooling down properly, and perhaps even compression stockings when traveling, help to prevent them.  Listen to your body, and watch for signs. 
 Press your doctor, make sure they look at all the angles.

Some links to look at 

http://www.stevelehmantours.com/html/tips.html


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NO, NO!!  We like uncensored Nicole

Nicole83 - 2010-01-06 3:42 PM Oh okay good. 

I was going to have to really put my censor in place as this is just the tip of the iceberg kids.

golfpro - 2010-01-06 3:35 PM No offense at all! :D I was LMAO when (can't remember who wrote) about great nips batman- Pa-tink!
Nicole83 - 2010-01-05 3:10 PMAw man, I hope you guys aren't serious.  I really don't mean to offend anyone.

Justin does, but I don't.  I promise.

golfpro - 2010-01-06 1:07 PM Jeez! yes! sick! ..

Houstonrider - 2010-01-05 12:25 PM SICK, SICK PEOPLE.........
2010-01-06 3:38 PM
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LOL all right all right...

You all are now most definately stuck with me just the way I am.

2010-01-06 3:44 PM
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Hey, wth???  I am here to O-fend no one!  Except you of course, which I have tried to do for a year now and have been unsuccesful!  I need to rethink my strategy.

Besides, my comments are simply inuendos.  Your dirty lil' mind is what twists them into the offensive material that you speak of.     You on the other hand... 'Your hi-beams are on!' Embarassed  The big burly sasquatch lookin' doood told me so!

I do not O-fend!  and if I do... well, "Suck it up Buttercup!" This is triathlon dang it! There is no getting O-fended in triathlon! Laughing 


Nicole83 - 2010-01-06 2:10 PM Aw man, I hope you guys aren't serious.  I really don't mean to offend anyone.

Justin does, but I don't.  I promise.

golfpro - 2010-01-06 1:07 PM Jeez! yes! sick! ..

Houstonrider - 2010-01-05 12:25 PM SICK, SICK PEOPLE.........

2010-01-06 3:47 PM
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Thomas... great articles and another reason to invest in the compression tights or socks!  I just like 'em for the recovery aids, but since the help me medically too... bonus!  Thanks for the post ~ great info.



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I have a question: Currently I am running 6 to 7 miles at about a 9:20 pace (base). Is it unrealistic to have a goal of a sub two hour 13.1 miles in 4-5 months? I just want to be realistic with my expectations.

I should also mention that I want to lose about 18 pounds by then as well. 208 to 190, so does the 30 seconds for every 10 pounds per mile hold any truth?

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Goodness...this place just moves right along!

I'm getting ready for my first swim of the season tomorrow...a little anxious about it because it seems like there's always an issue at the pool. First of all, it's a 45-minute drive each way... then there's always a fight with the high school swim team that comes in 30 minutes after the pool opens at 4:00. I'm there right at 4:00 to start my swim which usually lasts ~45 minutes. The problem is there are only 4 lap lanes open, so ineveitably the coach interrupts my swim and I have to wait for the management to drag out another lane rope so I can continue. Honestly, I think this is what has kept me out of the pool since September. With no races on the schedule, "fighting" for a lane wasn't worth it to me. When I get there tomorrow I am going to see if they will put a lane rope up for me so I don't have to stop in the middle of my swim. I tend to get stressed and annoyed and don't really want to start out like that this season.
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roadrhino - 2010-01-06 3:44 PM Goodness...this place just moves right along!

I'm getting ready for my first swim of the season tomorrow...a little anxious about it because it seems like there's always an issue at the pool. First of all, it's a 45-minute drive each way... then there's always a fight with the high school swim team that comes in 30 minutes after the pool opens at 4:00. I'm there right at 4:00 to start my swim which usually lasts ~45 minutes. The problem is there are only 4 lap lanes open, so ineveitably the coach interrupts my swim and I have to wait for the management to drag out another lane rope so I can continue. Honestly, I think this is what has kept me out of the pool since September. With no races on the schedule, "fighting" for a lane wasn't worth it to me. When I get there tomorrow I am going to see if they will put a lane rope up for me so I don't have to stop in the middle of my swim. I tend to get stressed and annoyed and don't really want to start out like that this season.


Seriously they do don't they?  Thankfully on my way to work I had to stop for gas so I was able to get through some of the postings otherwise I'd probably still be reading. 

Sounds like a hassle at your pool.  I take it there is no other pool around.  The HS swim team became a hassle on my morning swims as well but at least they stick to 2, leaving 4 more.  But the pool got so crowded that I had to switch to lunch but I know I am very lucky that I can do that (I work from home 3 days a week).  Course I went and ruined all that by joining the masters team.
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I"m sorry you have issues at your pool.  In the summer mine can get crowded because they take up a couple of lanes for swim lessons.  What I do is just swim in the open area and don't worry about a rope lane.  If I wait for the lifeguards to get off their butts to but up a rope for me my swim time will be gone so I just swim without a rope. 
I hope you swim tomorrow is uneventful and you get a good work out in.
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I think that is a realistic goal. I'm not sure about the 30s/10lbs but weightloss does help running quite a bit. As you ramp up your long run mileage you'll start getting an idea of what your 13.1mi pace will be. From what I've seen, people normally race 15-45s/mi faster than their normal long run pace.

Houstonrider - 2010-01-06 5:25 PM I have a question: Currently I am running 6 to 7 miles at about a 9:20 pace (base). Is it unrealistic to have a goal of a sub two hour 13.1 miles in 4-5 months? I just want to be realistic with my expectations.

I should also mention that I want to lose about 18 pounds by then as well. 208 to 190, so does the 30 seconds for every 10 pounds per mile hold any truth?


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I'm a huge fan of compression tights and now there's even more reason

Trin2bfast - 2010-01-06 3:47 PM

Thomas... great articles and another reason to invest in the compression tights or socks!  I just like 'em for the recovery aids, but since the help me medically too... bonus!  Thanks for the post ~ great info.

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Gooooooood morning everyone.  

I am interested in tips, if anyone has any, on how to wake up earlier to train before you go to work.  In my case I would need to be up by 5 at the latest.  I currently sleep until about 6:30, so that's a doosie for me.

With Chris moving back here full time at the end of the month, I'm not going to be able to play at the gym until 9 every night without him feeling neglected.
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Nicole83 - 2010-01-07 8:04 AM Gooooooood morning everyone.  

I am interested in tips, if anyone has any, on how to wake up earlier to train before you go to work.  In my case I would need to be up by 5 at the latest.  I currently sleep until about 6:30, so that's a doosie for me.

With Chris moving back here full time at the end of the month, I'm not going to be able to play at the gym until 9 every night without him feeling neglected.


Nicole,

Go to bed earlier and disable the snooze button. If that doesn't work use peer pressure. Post your phone number and you can receive a wake up call every morning at 5am from the group. Should be interesting........
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Today in Friendswood at noon. 46 degrees with winds gusting at 21 mph. Guess it's time to find a tailwind.

I'm not really looking forward to today's ride.
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Going to bed earlier is huge!!!!  Granted it's been quite some time since I've gotten up for an AM workout, but when I did going to bed early made a huge difference in the morning.  I also set 2 alarms 5 minutes apart from one another....cell phone alarm to the loudest & most obnoxious ringer and left it across the apartment (although, I live in a tiny, tiny NYC apt so this isn't really saying much) and I set my alarm clock.  Even if you're a snooze button person, when you have alarms going off at 5 minute intervals, you'll get out of bed pretty damn fast.

I like Justine's idea

Houstonrider - 2010-01-07 9:26 AM
Nicole,

Go to bed earlier and disable the snooze button. If that doesn't work use peer pressure. Post your phone number and you can receive a wake up call every morning at 5am from the group. Should be interesting........


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Nicole83 - 2010-01-07 8:04 AM Gooooooood morning everyone.  

I am interested in tips, if anyone has any, on how to wake up earlier to train before you go to work.  In my case I would need to be up by 5 at the latest.  I currently sleep until about 6:30, so that's a doosie for me.

With Chris moving back here full time at the end of the month, I'm not going to be able to play at the gym until 9 every night without him feeling neglected.


Nicole,

Go to bed earlier and disable the snooze button. If that doesn't work use peer pressure. Post your phone number and you can receive a wake up call every morning at 5am from the group. Should be interesting........


So basically, suck it up buttercup? 

And there's no way I'm giving you freaks my phone number.   Uh, I mean...
2010-01-07 8:43 AM
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I feel the love!

I could pretty easily write an automated program that if you did give up your cell phone number it could text you at the time you wanted. Maybe even with a motivational quote like 'Suck it up buttercup' - Justin

Would anyone be interested in such a service?

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Nicole83 - 2010-01-07 8:04 AM Gooooooood morning everyone.  

I am interested in tips, if anyone has any, on how to wake up earlier to train before you go to work.  In my case I would need to be up by 5 at the latest.  I currently sleep until about 6:30, so that's a doosie for me.

With Chris moving back here full time at the end of the month, I'm not going to be able to play at the gym until 9 every night without him feeling neglected.


Nicole,

Go to bed earlier and disable the snooze button. If that doesn't work use peer pressure. Post your phone number and you can receive a wake up call every morning at 5am from the group. Should be interesting........


So basically, suck it up buttercup? 

And there's no way I'm giving you freaks my phone number.   Uh, I mean...
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Wish I could join ya for the warm ride- I have one planned for Sunday- weather calls for high in mid-teens / with some wind-usually 10mph around here/artic blast.. all I have to say for this Sunday is - Bring It!


Houstonrider - 2010-01-06 9:30 AM Today in Friendswood at noon. 46 degrees with winds gusting at 21 mph. Guess it's time to find a tailwind.

I'm not really looking forward to today's ride.
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In bed lights out and no hanky panky with KFK by 9:00.
Nicole83 - 2010-01-07 8:04 AMGooooooood morning everyone.  

I am interested in tips, if anyone has any, on how to wake up earlier to train before you go to work.  In my case I would need to be up by 5 at the latest.  I currently sleep until about 6:30, so that's a doosie for me.

With Chris moving back here full time at the end of the month, I'm not going to be able to play at the gym until 9 every night without him feeling neglected.
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roadrhino - 2010-01-05 6:44 PM Goodness...this place just moves right along!

I'm getting ready for my first swim of the season tomorrow...a little anxious about it because it seems like there's always an issue at the pool. First of all, it's a 45-minute drive each way... then there's always a fight with the high school swim team that comes in 30 minutes after the pool opens at 4:00. I'm there right at 4:00 to start my swim which usually lasts ~45 minutes. The problem is there are only 4 lap lanes open, so ineveitably the coach interrupts my swim and I have to wait for the management to drag out another lane rope so I can continue. Honestly, I think this is what has kept me out of the pool since September. With no races on the schedule, "fighting" for a lane wasn't worth it to me. When I get there tomorrow I am going to see if they will put a lane rope up for me so I don't have to stop in the middle of my swim. I tend to get stressed and annoyed and don't really want to start out like that this season.


I would complain to management before getting into the pool- if they know this is a recurrent issue- why not be pro-active? sorry you have to deal with that issue.


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Nicole83 - 2010-01-06 9:04 AM Gooooooood morning everyone.  

I am interested in tips, if anyone has any, on how to wake up earlier to train before you go to work.  In my case I would need to be up by 5 at the latest.  I currently sleep until about 6:30, so that's a doosie for me.

With Chris moving back here full time at the end of the month, I'm not going to be able to play at the gym until 9 every night without him feeling neglected.


hmmm...
1. get up at 4am- yes that early- drink coffee for 1/2hr... 
2. have someone w.out with you virtually... yes online buddy workout via live video feed or a real life person next to you working out (Chris).
3. Like someone suggested - going to bed early.. you will want to hit the sack early if you wake up @ 4.
4. Submit your number to the group for early morning harrasment.
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Hehe, my husband working out with me is about as likely as me one day miraculously being able to pee standing up without it running down my leg.  That will never happen.

And 4 a.m.?  That's just painful. 



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Nicole83 - 2010-01-06 9:04 AM Gooooooood morning everyone.  

I am interested in tips, if anyone has any, on how to wake up earlier to train before you go to work.  In my case I would need to be up by 5 at the latest.  I currently sleep until about 6:30, so that's a doosie for me.

With Chris moving back here full time at the end of the month, I'm not going to be able to play at the gym until 9 every night without him feeling neglected.


hmmm...
1. get up at 4am- yes that early- drink coffee for 1/2hr... 
2. have someone w.out with you virtually... yes online buddy workout via live video feed or a real life person next to you working out (Chris).
3. Like someone suggested - going to bed early.. you will want to hit the sack early if you wake up @ 4.
4. Submit your number to the group for early morning harrasment.
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I vote for golfs #4. Phone harrassment.
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Nicole83 - 2010-01-07 8:04 AM Gooooooood morning everyone.  

I am interested in tips, if anyone has any, on how to wake up earlier to train before you go to work.  In my case I would need to be up by 5 at the latest.  I currently sleep until about 6:30, so that's a doosie for me.

With Chris moving back here full time at the end of the month, I'm not going to be able to play at the gym until 9 every night without him feeling neglected.


Nicole,

Go to bed earlier and disable the snooze button. If that doesn't work use peer pressure. Post your phone number and you can receive a wake up call every morning at 5am from the group. Should be interesting........


So basically, suck it up buttercup? 

And there's no way I'm giving you freaks my phone number.   Uh, I mean...


Now isn't that the kettle calling the pot black? By the way I take pride in being a freak, aren't we all?
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