'The' Gun Thread (Page 37)

I have a few questions for my American colleagues:

-I'm looking to buy a JR Carbine.  Should I go with the 9mm or .45 Cal?  Positives or Negatives?  Does it really matter between the two or is it semantics with such small ammo?

-The JR Carbine's are a non restricted rifle in Canada.  Is it true they are banned in New York state? Where they are made? They are $899 all across Canada which I think is a ludicrous price...thinking of purchasing one states side.  where would I go? Never bought a firearm from the states before.  Are there any good mail order stores?

-I own an SKS Type 56.  I have heard they are banned in the US because Chinese gun imports to the US are now banned?  Can someone tell me why?  How long that will be for?  And if I was to go deer hunting with a friend in michigan, could I bring it with me, or do I have to find something else?

(1) just because congressmen vote for or against proposed legislation is not an indication of the absence of "questionable language."  To the contrary, it is not uncommon for our elected officials to vote for legislation that is questionable on Constitutional grounds.  One need only look towards Sen. Feinstein's stance when asked about the constitutionality of her proposed assault weapons ban she replied that Congress is tasked with passing legislation and the courts are tasked with ruling on their constitutionality.

(2) Which brings me to  the next point, the honorable senator from California is wrong.  Congress people are tasked with passing legislation that conforms to our laws and constitution.  This pass a law because its expedient and speaks to the parties base without regard to the legislations constitutionality is an abdication of the responsibilities of our elected officials.  In essence there is a modern trend to pass legislation that is intentionally unconstitutional with the specific knowledge that the Courts will have to rule on the ultimate issue.  THis serves to insulate the elected officials, who can claim "clean hands" in that they "did the will of the people" in passing a law, and then blame "unelected federal judges" for being "judicial activists" and "circumventing the will of the people".  Make no mistake this is a purposeful and well thought out strategy by the two political parties. 

(3) Again, I've read both the Feinstein Bill and the Schumer background check bills in their entirety, and I am of the opinion that the term "questionable language" is being generous at the very least.  I am of the opinion that both bills would have been at least in part unconstitutional, and both bills went far beyond what their stated purposes were.  The Schumer "background check" bill went far far beyone the simple "universal background checks" that it has been painted as in the press.

(4) we're a Republic, not a true democracy.  The founders and framers passed a constitution and a bill of rights for many reasons, one of which was a specific protection from the tyranny of the majority that can occur in true democracies. When the will of the people conforms with the protections of the Constitution then the will of the people should prevail,  However, when the will of the people is contrary to the protections of the Constitution, that will should not prevail, regardless of how prevalent the will of the people is.  The way to fix this is to change the Constitution, which is possible.  If there are those that are so strongly against the legal ownership of firearms by private citizens and all of the collateral rights associated with that then there is recourse, repeal or change the constitution.  It really is that simple.

(5) I will agree with you that it is an example of a badly broken system, but for different reasons.  I believe it demonstrates our elected officials almost total disregard for Constitutional rights in favor of political expediency.  You know the "we need to pass it to find out what's in it" or the "we pass the laws, the courts determine if they're constitutional" notions of our elected officials.  Neither of these proposed legislations had any rational relationship to their espoused purpose of crime prevention, so the question is why then were they supposedly proposed?

Here are the Michigan regs for deer hunting.

Looks like you need to be sure that any center fire rifle is limited to a total of six rounds:

It is unlawful to hunt with a semi-automatic shotgun or semi-automatic rifle that can hold more than six shells in the barrel and magazine combined unless it is a .22 caliber rimfire. 

I'd guess that the JR Carbine would be legal for deer if it had a five round mag, but don't take my word on that.

Good luck with your deer hunting!

I got to have a little fun with the wife yesterday. 

I was mostly breaking in my new Colt SP6940.  I was standing at around 50 yards with no bench on open sites, so most certainly no grouping to speak of. 

The remainder of the holes are from my wife and her .380 Bodyguard, XDm .40, XDs .45, and my Mossy 930SPX 12 ga.

No mixed feelings here! TOTAL support for their actions during the "search". The next phase will speak to the right or wrong use of their power... I would think if one were to be "revisited" a Lawyer would have an easy time exploiting the process...

Tuwood - How does your wife like her bodyguard? I've found since losing weight, my 9mm (Walther PPS) is a little heavy in my concealment shorts for running - my back is getting all ripped up from the shorts.  I've looked at a few .380s but I'd really like to hold the bodyguard before I decide.  

I originally only planned for it to be my running gun (where if my gun is in my hand, you're probably close enough that .380 is sufficient), but now that it is going to top 90° today, it may have to become a summer gun depending on wardrobe.

Thanks for the post, and to DanielG for the info above.

I don't think I'd hunt a deer with a JR Carbine..9mm or 45cal.     1)To inhumane to the deer. 2)To much running after it for me..

We get a significant number of American hunters in Canada all the time.  Very easy process to come up.  I hope it's not a hard thing vice versa.  To bad about the SKS, but meh. Thats ok.  Rules are there for a reason.

What were you doing?  Shooting as the target turned sideways?  How'd you get the sideways tears?

I used to bring 4 pieces of white paper with a black circle printed on each, tape them to a cardboard box.  That makes a cheap, very acceptable target. No need for shoot n' see things imo.

She really likes it and carries it everyday in a crossbreed IWB holster.  Her primary reason for purchasing it was the built in laser (that she never uses) and it's size.  She did hold and dry fire several others and decided the bodyguard fit her the best.  It's the perfect size for the pockets on a bike jersey, but I haven't tried running with it.  I usually just have my OC spray and Karambit with me when I run.

Now my thoughts on her bodyguard.  The biggest thing I don't like about it is the very long/heavy trigger pull.  I know it's not uncommon for this size of gun, but it still bugs me.  The sights are pretty small, but I can drop a 5 inch group at 10 ft. with ease so they're good enough.  It's been very reliable and my wife is what I would call a limp wrister when it comes to shooting and she's never had any feed issues.  I'd guess that she's got about 300-400 rounds through it.

lol, so i first set it up on a berm for my wife to shoot with her .380.   She shot 20 or 30 rds. and was done.

I went out to run 300 rds. through my new Colt to break it in, so I was standing 50 yds. or so away at an angle to where she was and was plinking away with little regard for accuracy.  I just have the open sights on my rifle, and haven't picked up any optics yet.

Then I put a couple magazines through my .40 and .45 at about 50 yds, so those were a little wild and at an angle.

Then I brought out the Mossy because I was testing my new barrel clamp and light to make sure they were solid.  Did about 150 rds. of rapid fire 00 buck at about 50 yds.  The target start flipping and flopping as I was shooting at it, so that's where the odd sideways tracks came in.

I wasn't really shooting for any accuracy and was mostly out to cycle rounds through to verify functionality. 

Just saw this:

Shocking Footage: Americans Ordered Out Of Homes At Gunpoint By SWAT teams

This doesn't make me feel more supportive of them, that's for sure.

Yikes, Bloomberg now sets his sights on the 4th Amendment "to keep our kids safe".

Bloomberg Says Interpretation of Constitution Will ‘Have to Change’ After Boston Bombing

“The people who are worried about privacy have a legitimate worry,” Mr. Bloomberg said during a press conference in Midtown. “But we live in a complex world where you’re going to have to have a level of security greater than you did back in the olden days, if you will. And our laws and our interpretation of the Constitution, I think, have to change.”

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“It really says something bad about us that we have to do it. But our obligation first and foremost is to keep our kids safe in the schools; first and foremost, to keep you safe if you go to a sporting event; first and foremost is to keep you safe if you walk down the streets or go into our parks,” he said. “We cannot let the terrorists put us in a situation where we can’t do those things. And the ways to do that is to provide what we think is an appropriate level of protection.”

“Look, we live in a very dangerous world. We know there are people who want to take away our freedoms. New Yorkers probably know that as much if not more than anybody else after the terrible tragedy of 9/11,” he said.

Ya, there are people that want to take away our freedoms... those that think the collective is more important than the individual. I could name several socialist countries one could relocate to where they could have that. But stop trying to take away my republic,. I like it just the way it is.

And as far as public safety goes.... we COULD actually accept there are dangers in this world and CHOOSE to go about our business like we always have and stop giving away our freedoms to the other FEAR MONGERS that like to keep us scared and tell us they know what is best for our own safety.

If we are going to talk about those changes, I guess some wording we are accustomed to should be considered as well.

The Land of the Safe and the Home of the ???????,,,,,,,, Not sure what would be the appropriate term here. Any suggestions?

At what point when our elected officials who take an oath to support the laws of the land and defend the constitution then blatantly put forward and pass laws that are clear violations of that should charges of Treason be brought? Or at the very least removed from office for violating their  oath to that office?

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/gun-laws/video-white-house-gun-control-will-pass-round-2-is-coming/

"There are personal reasons why Senators chose to vote against (gun control)".... yeah it's called the Constitution you dolt!

The smug and holier-than-thou tone from Carney is a bit too much to take.  And where is he getting this 90% BS number?  No poll out there has gun control at a 90% approval rating.  None.

Anyone else see this as a threat, plain and simple.  "This will happen."

Sorry, I completely misread your post.

The way I read the Michigan regs, the SKS would still need to meet the 6 round capacity limit.

I also admit that this is the first time I've heard of a Canadian wanting to come to the US for white tail hunting.  Welcome and good luck! When you come, maybe you could bring some Canadian deer along.

I don't have experience other than at the gun shop with the Bodyguard but I would def try it before you buy it. The trigger is no easy thing to pull. It is very long and very hard. Also I don't like the very plastic feel of the gun, but that is par for the course with a cheap .380. 

I'm sure the gun works fine but for me it took about 2 minutes for me to hate it and I haven't even shot it.

Take a look at the Sig P238. I carry the P938 and it is great, will fit in a pocket and is lightweight. I was looking at the Sig P238 and the Ruger LCP and the Bodyguard. Didn't like the Bodyguard, the Ruger doesn't fit my hand at all and I really liked the P238. Then I figured out I could get a 9mm for just a half inch more length and a few ounces in weight so I bought the P938. 

The Kimber Solo is also a nice small carry gun but I have heard it is very particular on ammo. My P938 has eaten everything I have put in it, no problems. I upgraded the trigger to a stainless steel, polished the barrel and put some new grips on and it is a very nice shooting/looking gun and is a breeze to carry. I put it in my jersey pocket when I ride and I am sure with the right carrying apparatus it would be fine for running as well. 

You know what side of the gun debate I'm on but,  I've gotta say, I have no idea how some of you guys/gals do it.  I can't wait to take this damn gun off at the end of a day.......and it's a very rare occurence when I have one off-duty.  I couldn't imagine carrying a gun while biking or running.

After 35 years of working as a photographer, I now never carry a camera when I'm not working; other than the one in my smart phone.

Maybe there's an app you can use?

True, there is a line everyone has to decide for themselves on how much inconvenience they can put up with to carry a gun. The biking part is easy for me, fits in a jersey pocket, don't even know it is there. And there have been occasions where I wished I had one and didn't while on the bike.

I haven't tried running with a gun. I have seen a compression T with a built in holster that looks like it would work well, but I haven't tried anything. 

During the colder months the P938 is a breeze to carry, I have a pocket holster for it and I just put it in my jacket pocket and go. Don't even notice it anymore. But I am a new CWP holder so we will see how this summer goes. Cargo shorts should be easy but I need to find some sort of IWB for other times. 

But you live in CA where they have much stricter gun laws.  I live in the Midwest, so we have to protect ourselves due to less restrictions for the criminals.

Overall on carrying, I just like having options.  I've had three occurrences in the last 10 years where I was in a potential life threatening situation and I had nothing but a cellphone.  One of them involved a mass school shooter who came to the parking lot right outside my office window and offed himself.  (that was the final straw that made me start carrying)

Ironically though, the times I feel most vulnerable are when I'm out biking or running by myself on the trails or remote roads.  I've had more than one occasion where very seedy looking individuals have stopped and harassed me while out biking, and most of the random assaults in town seem to happen on the running trails.