Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance (Page 4)

Don't even get me started on the sexual factor of spanking regardless of whether another person is present or not. Hopefully as books like 50 shades get more mainstream people will clue in a bit.

Guy at work was bragging about how he used to punish his daughter by making her eat a spoonful of hot sauce, with the intent to inflict pain. Cool?

I don't put a swat on the hand in the same category as using physical pain as a control method. Most people know that isn't even appropriate for dogs. Even guards in a jail aren't allowed to just beat the crap out of felons that don't obey.

Don't even get me started on the sexual factor of spanking regardless of whether another person is present or not. Hopefully as books like 50 shades get more mainstream people will clue in a bit. 

Wait........WHAT????????  I'll say it again....you just can't make this stuff up! 

To be honest, in this day and age, I think laying one's hand on a child is legally a bit dangerous. We live in a society that overall frowns on corporal punishment.

As an educator, I also wouldn't lay a hand on a kid. The potential for legal hassle isn't worth it. I won't even grab their arm for safety.. I grab the shirt.. or backpack. 

There are so many great well studied methods of discipline out there that don't require anything more than being one step ahead of your kid mentally. 

I don't put a swat on the hand in the same category as using physical pain as a control method.

Most people know that isn't even appropriate for dogs.

Even guards in a jail aren't allowed to just beat the crap out of felons that don't obey.

Don't even get me started on the sexual factor of spanking regardless of whether another person is present or not. Hopefully as books like 50 shades get more mainstream people will clue in a bit.

Guy at work was bragging about how he used to punish his daughter by making her eat a spoonful of hot sauce, with the intent to inflict pain. Cool?

I don't put a swat on the hand in the same category as using physical pain as a control method. Most people know that isn't even appropriate for dogs. Even guards in a jail aren't allowed to just beat the crap out of felons that don't obey.

Don't even get me started on the sexual factor of spanking regardless of whether another person is present or not. Hopefully as books like 50 shades get more mainstream people will clue in a bit.

Yeah, the standard now is a shock collar.....heeeyyy.....wait a minute.....maybe I DON'T have to spank my kids!!! 

You do understand a swat on the hand is doing exactly that...inflicting pain to control behavior. So inflicting pain is OK... we just disagree on degree and reason.

Interesting still, because dogs are perfectly OK with it. Have you ever seen dogs discipline their children...they bite them and snap at them. Same thing to establish appropriate behavior between adult dogs.

No, knocking/holding their hand away is not the same as pinching them until they scream.

Now I'm lost... when did we start pinching? That's is completely unacceptable and barbaric.

You said swatting/knocking... what is that... inducing pain. We can disagree on amount, but pain none the less. And since you love stretching things out to the Nth degree, it is a strike in violence...it is not a strike in love and reason...it's a strike.

Really - you emulate the animal kingdom in your daily life? I say again, in what other legal situation do you get to just beat up on some one to get your way? 

When did I ever say that it is acceptable to inflict pain "beat up" on anything for the sole reason of getting my way. All I'm saying is that a canine seems to understand a pretty simple concept, I'm not sure why beings of much higher intelligence have such a hard time with it.

Again, so you're cool with the dad that made his kid drink hot sauce as punishment... yes or not?

Hold on, I'm choking on all the words you are putting in my mouth... cough cough... Where did I say that? Since you ask, I suppose there is worse an idiot could do to his child. It isn't deadly. My mom actually washed my mouth out with soap once. Didn't do that again... No, I think it is pretty stupid... abuse...no.

You're wrong about the levels of acceptable force in a prison (a lot more grey area), but on the street certainly - there are very strict levels of threat that have to be met before you can use any items mentioned up and including a sidearm. A cop can NOT whip out his club and start whaling on someone who is simply non-compliant. If someone refuses to get out of the car you don't get to pepper spray them in the face.

Right, because when a riot breaks out...they just shout from the towers to please stop... no, the tear gas comes out, the bear sized cans of pepper spray, and non-lethal projectiles like rubber bullets and bean bags will be used. Those tools do not instill a profound sense of peace.

A police officer can most certainly inflict severe pain on any suspect that is non-compliant. What, they just sit there all night asking please for the guy to get in the car that refuses to follow a lawful order? If a suspect refuses to get out of a car, and there is a lawful order to do so...they will be removed forcibly... and that does not mean tickling.

And certainly not your boss, your landlord, your teacher, your doctor, your neighbour or anyone else you come into contact who may or may not have some authority over you. It's the biggest stretch of hypocrisy - "Do not hit people, do not use violence  - except when I do it, it's ok".

I'm not saying it's a child service/abuse thing, but when I see a mom pinching some kids ear to make him scream I just think how lazy she is to take the neanderthal way out. 

Actually, Kate, that's not true.  I don't know of a state that doesn't recognize the right of a parent to discipline their child with corporal punishment.  The line is drawn with injury....not a red butt....but, as an example, bruising crosses the line.

No, knocking/holding their hand away is not the same as pinching them until they scream.

Really - you emulate the animal kingdom in your daily life? I say again, in what other legal situation do you get to just beat up on some one to get your way? 

Again, so you're cool with the dad that made his kid drink hot sauce as punishment... yes or not?

You're wrong about the levels of acceptable force in a prison (a lot more grey area), but on the street certainly - there are very strict levels of threat that have to be met before you can use any items mentioned up and including a sidearm. A cop can NOT whip out his club and start whaling on someone who is simply non-compliant. If someone refuses to get out of the car you don't get to pepper spray them in the face.

And certainly not your boss, your landlord, your teacher, your doctor, your neighbour or anyone else you come into contact who may or may not have some authority over you. It's the biggest stretch of hypocrisy - "Do not hit people, do not use violence  - except when I do it, it's ok".

I'm not saying it's a child service/abuse thing, but when I see a mom pinching some kids ear to make him scream I just think how lazy she is to take the neanderthal way out. 

No, knocking/holding their hand away is not the same as pinching them until they scream.

Really - you emulate the animal kingdom in your daily life? I say again, in what other legal situation do you get to just beat up on some one to get your way? 

Again, so you're cool with the dad that made his kid drink hot sauce as punishment... yes or not?

You're wrong about the levels of acceptable force in a prison (a lot more grey area), but on the street certainly - there are very strict levels of threat that have to be met before you can use any items mentioned up and including a sidearm. A cop can NOT whip out his club and start whaling on someone who is simply non-compliant. If someone refuses to get out of the car you don't get to pepper spray them in the face.

And certainly not your boss, your landlord, your teacher, your doctor, your neighbour or anyone else you come into contact who may or may not have some authority over you. It's the biggest stretch of hypocrisy - "Do not hit people, do not use violence  - except when I do it, it's ok".

I'm not saying it's a child service/abuse thing, but when I see a mom pinching some kids ear to make him scream I just think how lazy she is to take the neanderthal way out. 

Right, because when a riot breaks out...they just shout from the towers to please stop... no, the tear gas comes out, the bear sized cans of pepper spray, and non-lethal projectiles like rubber bullets and bean bags will be used. Those tools do not instill a profound sense of peace.

A police officer can most certainly inflict severe pain on any suspect that is non-compliant. What, they just sit there all night asking please for the guy to get in the car that refuses to follow a lawful order? If a suspect refuses to get out of a car, and there is a lawful order to do so...they will be removed forcibly... and that does not mean tickling.

Well you seem bent on turning a child discipline technique into random assault from strangers to get what they want or just for plain fun. Most people understand the difference. If it is not a technique you choose to use, then don't use it. Corporal punishment is legal in all 50 states. Corporal punishment in school is legal in 19 states including the one that kicked off this outrage. In fact, the corporal punishment was chosen and approved by student and parent. If you lived in that state, you would have the option of opting out, or not granting approval for that instance. See how everyone win?

By the way, congratulations on Enlightened Homo Sapien status. However, for such an enlightened being, it seems odd you would resort to name calling to get your point across. Seems intellectually lazy. But don't worry about all the people in this thread you just put down... they are just Neanderthals.

I was never one for pinching, but I suspect the intent was to correct a behavior and not to just "make him scream".  The scream is simply an acknowledgement that punishment is having its intended effect.

I would respectfully disagree.  i'm betting it taught you to stop doing whatever they spanked you for.  

BTW, nice statement of superiority there with the low self esteem dig.

Rioters are a threat to themselves and others, level of force changes. A guy tries to have a sit-in in the mess you can't just shoot him with a bean bag gun. You can pick him up and move him but you can't hurt him.

And again, if the cop is actually arresting someone and they refuse that's breaking the law and levels of force can get escalated. But the person has to be in the act of being arrested! The cop can't just drag a citizen out of a car or taser them just because they aren't listening, as much as some of them would like to. You do have a lot of civil liberties including not getting beaten by the police (assuming you are not engaged in criminal activity at the time)

Are you just trying to be obstinate? Where in this thread have I ever said anyone can do anything they want for no reason what so ever? A riot... not the guy in the corner following orders or not involved in the riot... lawful to inflict serious pain and possible bodily injury including death.

Again... LAWFUL order... reason to inflict serious pain to force submission, forcible means, up to and including use of deadly force.... LAWFUL ORDER... reason... cause... justifiable use of force.

Did I ever say a police officer can drag a citizen out of a car for no reason... did I say a parent can beat the crap out of a child for nor reason...no... you are the one saying that and turning this discussion into a point that has not basis in reality nor bearing on this thread.

Some say he's just "giving good discipline" - others say he should be in jail. I see him reveling in the power he has over another human being, and showing signs of sadism. But it's legal in 50 states so it's ok. And yes, it's not much of a twist to turn it into a bdsm video you'd find on a porn site. 

Again, in my opinion, if a parent acts like that to their kids, they are a neanderthal, a thug, and a bully. 

Here's another point: In the military you can't hit anyone anymore. You can yell and make them clean and do pushups but you can't strike. If even the military have figured this out, why is it ok with kids? Surely a good caning would serve a purpose in the army if anywhere??

Man I must've joined in the wrong year...

I joined 85 and they were pretty upset they could not touch you. I don't know when it changed.

This judgement of others is why good people are humiliated when they attend to misbehaving children in public. 

I never feel humiliated when I am doing what I believe to be right. But then, maybe I'm not a good person. I did attend to my misbehaving children in public, but I never spanked them.