lgb athletes (Page 4)

Kind of like TAN, isn't it??

A few observations:

I believe that I read after the Olympics that Megan Rapinoe came out.  Great competitor.  Star on high-profile team in a mainstream sport.  It received some coverage but was not huge news, which in some ways is kind of encouraging. It was noteworthy, but, as news, not much more worthy than that.  Kudos to her.

It takes a lot of courage for someone to come out.  There are clearly lots of high-profile (i.e., pro's in mainstream media sports) athletes who have not come out.  There has got to be a lot that goes into that decision.  Some will lead, and they deserve a lot of credit.  Some will play it safe, which is understandable.

There is still social prejudice against people who are LGBT, but it's a lot better than it was a generation ago and will hopefully continue to get better as time goes on.  This is a dynamic that should create a "virtuous circle".  The more leaders (in whatever context) that come out will make it more socially acceptable --> the fact that it is more socially acceptable will reduce the "cost" of coming out --> it will be easier to come out --> more people will come out --> etc.

OP (and some of the other posters), I appreciate that you are all comfortable enough with yourselves and BT.com to be open and candid.  If you are that way here, you are probably that way elsewhere, and you are contributing to the steady change that is happening.

If you honestly cannot tell the difference between acts taking place between consenting adults and those that take place between an adult and a child, I don't think I can continue this conversation with you.

to even ask me if i'm able to tell the difference between the 2 is a dumb question, seriously man, and simply it shows the normal attitude in response to those who disagree with the homosexual movement.

it's not who the act is taking place between. the similarity they share is that they're both deviations from normal sexual behavior and both activities have people saying they're born that way.

so if it is true that a man can be born to love another man, and a man can be born to love a young kid, then what's to say that a man cant also be born to love an animal (or a toaster) like you said. if it's possible for one person to have an altered preference to be gay, how can we feasibly limit what people can say they are legitimately attracted to?

so any act between adults has merit?

come on. 

your explanation is quite dodgy, not answering the true root of what i was asking about. 

So anyway, how about them Broncos? I'm really looking forward to seeing what Manning does.

I guess that was my point that it just does not matter. OP, if you want to see more LGBT role models in sports, great. I hope you do. If it helps some, great. If others don't care, great. If others disagree with LGBT role models in sports... well I guess then don't become a LGBT role model in sports. I really liked Daniel's suggestion to become one. I wish you much success in that endeavor if that is what you do.

I was really trying to understand, not debate. I hope I have not shown any disrespect in that attempt.

cannot fathom? or choose not to go there?

its a simple question really.  are we trying to limit man and say that he is only going to be born to love either a woman or another man? nothing else? that if a man were to say he was legitimately attracted to animals, trees, children, or anything else, that that is impossible?  arent there legitimate claims of that type of attraction? 

we dont give people marriage rights to their horse. or a kid. or a tree.  why?  because the other party involved doesnt have a say in it? it doenst matter - the man still has his legitimate attraction and should be granted the same right because he's shaking his fist and demanding it, even though it's outside of our normal society.  just because 2 adults are consenting to something doesnt make something right.

disapproval of a behavior in NOT a prejudice.  something any parent would know and not equalize.

On the one hand, this is the only way to end this kind of discussion at a reasonable gathering. OTOH, the fact that the discussion is going the way it is, I think, proves the need to have strong role models in "manly sports". Not just GLB athletes in women's tennis and golf, or men's figure skating, or diving. But more traditional men's sports such as football, baseball, basketball (OK, and hockey). And I don't know that someone who is on the BT board is likely to be playing those sports at a pro level.

You really think that a strong LGBT role model playing in the NFL is going to have any sway what so ever to someone that thinks sexual identity is a choice. Ya...no.

It would be great for other LGBTs looking for such people to admire/inspire. It would be great to normalize the dialog with normal people. It would be great as a start to move the issue to a non-issue... but to change the mind of someone that thinks it is a choice, doubtful. I find it more likely for it to be held up as more example of what is wrong in this world... as it is done right now.

You're taking the short view. I'm taking the long view. Of course people whose prejudice is strongly in place will not change their minds. But rather than having fertile grounds in which to plant their ideas into the next generation or two, the kids/grandkids of those people, having seen GLB people in all kinds of settings, where they act and look no different than those around them, will not accept those prejudices so easily. We have seen the same thing in racial relationships in the last 50 or so years.

They are coming for you.

Don't bother replying to ruby2cool, the account has been banned.

It was an alt for someone who was previously banned from the the forums for creating an alt account to post anonymously. Normally that would result in an immediate and permanent full ban from the site, but this person had a fairly long history of logging their training here. We agreed to just institute a forum ban to allow this person to continue to log their training.

He violated that agreement and has now been completely banned from the site.

The homosexual movement strikes again!

You called them didn't you!!!

 Dangit! I was going to ask him about this "feeling" I got today when I fired up my toaster oven. I was watching my English muffin get all toasty and crunchy and I started feeling .... aroused. Maybe it was hunger, but that little Hamilton Beach with those glowing coils, sleek lines and downright sexy chrome finish was working me like an handful of Viagra and a dozen oysters. Is that considered deviant behavior or am I good to go?