Men vs Women (Page 4)

This BS that women are always right even when they are wrong is just that, BS.

One of the main reasons my marriage broke down and failed was my ex constantly ratcheting me in, making me change my behavior to meet some random standard of behavior that made her happy.  One day I looked up and wondered why I was stressing about keeping up with all the demands and pressure. 

  That's why I said what I said earlier. Most times men just don't care about things and let it slide.  But sometimes, when it matters to who you are, you need to stand tough.  If your partner loves you for WHO you ARE and not WHO you COULD BE.  Then they will examine what they are saying and hopefully find the truth somewhere in the middle.

True, but sometimes the actions of the partner are making you unhappy.  It is not always right vs wrong, it is about happy vs sad or hurt.   If it is about something simple like what color of car to buy, I agree.  If it is something core to the marriage or my own personal fulfillment, then I can't always just step aside to avoid confrontation. 

As to the big girl panties comment - I prefer my wife wear panties that are as small as possible, thank you.   

HAHAHAHAHA! NOT! I've known too many men - in the business world and personally - who badger and pester  or do a slow burn until you say they're RIGHT. And then you have to MEAN that they're right, you can't just say they are right.  Being a jack*** is a universal trait, not a gender trait.

True enough. This was just my observation from my married friends and personal experience. Men can be stubborn when they are wrong as well.  I have found that women can focus on small domestic issues and make them into big issues.  Probably just my bias.

I hear ya, but this thread isn't about changing yourself to fit your partner's image of you, but whether or not it's a good idea to rub their failings in their face. 

Kinda' like when my former boyfriend complained that I didn't cook the rice right the way he cooked rice. Then would proceed to tell me how his ex-wife always cooked rice incorrectly, too. Or complained if he smelled cilantro in the kitchen, because he didn't like cilantro and thought I shouldn't cook my food with it. Or had a hissy fit if I cooked with onions. Or did a slow burn because I hung a picture after it sat on the floor for a month because he kept saying he would hang it but never did - evidently, he felt emasculated because I hung the picture! Yeah, trivial domestic issues are ones I just don't see the point of arguiing about.

But the argument is never really about the rice or onions or cilantro or picture hanging, of course. That's just the convenient excuse to launch a tirade.

Eventually if you bow to that and try to keep the peace, you can start to feel beat down.  The whole deal about accepting people just as they are rings so true to me at this point.

I don't dance well on egg shells. And accepting people as you find them is the best advice. "I accept that you are a douchebag and I will never be happy in this relationship. Good bye!"

 again... it's the "man" that has to shut up....

Gee Renee and you have never met me in person  but it's like you know me so well 

but what if.. and I'm only saying what if.. the man was right to begin with??

One of the few things that I have a hard time letting go is when people feel the need to lie to make them appear right..  but after a few days I figure if that's what they need to get through life then I'm sorry for them

 I work mostly with women (3 guys 40+ women)  while my situation is most likely a bit different.. the women will usually say they would rather work with men since we don't get upset very easily.. but they are referring to the three guys working here who are all very easy going,, and they will usually say that when they are having a bad day... now when it's bunko night.. WOo HOo... then they are wishing that there were three more women working here.

This post is only to boost my post count without going into TAN

I have no problem saying "I'm sorry, I was wrong. Please forgive me." when I was wrong.  As I mentioned before, I like to reconcile differences. I don't like festering problems. I'd rather have peace of mind and a peaceful house. I actually don't sleep well at night when I behave less than what I'm capable of.

Ex-boyfriend once complained that I never admitted I was wrong. I thought about it then said "Hey, remember yesterday when I apologized for (whatever it was)? And the day before, I said I was sorry for ..." I gave him 4 examples where I had recently apologized very quickly for doing or saying something that was a problem. His reply "Oh yeah ..." Sooooo.... do you still think I never admit I'm wrong? "Oh. No, no, you're right." He was so disappointed that I admitted I was wrong or in error on a regular basis.

His apologies required an Act of Congress, so they were a  HUGE deal. My apologies came quickly and sincerely, so they were minor emotional events and never a big deal because I didn't let the problem fester and grow. He really hated admitting he behaved badly; I am happy to admit I am imperfect. Did you hear that? I'm flawed! I'm imperfect! I make mistakes!!! Do you have any idea how much easier life is when you can say that and mean it and not let it affect your self-image?

I think apologizing is very liberating. The longer you deny your misdeeds, the scarier it seems to address the misdeed. IMO.

Babies whine.

I'll elaborate.

You, and you alone, care whether you are right or wrong. No-one else.

If you are really right, it will be obvious, and it is unseemly to crow about it. If you are wrong, admit it, apologize if necessary and get on with your life.

It really isn't that hard.

I was just being sarcastic... referring to your "man" reference...

this "man vs. women" thing has been going on for thousands of years... probably will go on for thousand more...

one of my favorite comic strips is "Hagar the Horrible" - I bet all women could feel where the wife is coming from and all men could feel where Hagar's coming from...