Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

Master

1529

Living in the past

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

PeterAK - 2011-02-17 12:49 PM Dear Senators and Teachers:

Please return to work.

Sincerely,
Wisconsin Tax Payer (aka, your customer)

and BTW, your customer can't afford to pay you as much as they did before.

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Master

1553

Elm Grove

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

Apparently the new way to get out of not having to vote for something in WI is to get on a bus and head for the border.

You stay classy WI Democrats.

P.S. GET BACK TO WORK

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Iron Donkey

38643

, Wisconsin

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

jszat - 2011-02-17 12:56 PM

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 7:52 AM

jszat - 2011-02-17 5:35 AM

Can someone clarify if teachers can negotiate on their own or if they are all part of the union?

As per a friend of mine who was a schoolteacher out of McFarland - when hired as a Wisconsin public schoolteacher, one automatically becomes a member of the represented teacher's union and mandatory dues are taken out of one's pay. However, each district has slightly different benefits provided within their contract.

I heard that UW 2-year campus professors/instructors do not have a union representative, though.

So basically they dont have a choice, and freedom is one of the arguments regarding collective bargaining? i wont claim to know the details, but um, huh?

Since I'm not a public school teacher, I don't know anything else to provide insight. Sorry.

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Iron Donkey

38643

, Wisconsin

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

sgoehner - 2011-02-17 1:30 PM

Apparently the new way to get out of not having to vote for something in WI is to get on a bus and head for the border.

You stay classy WI Democrats.

P.S. GET BACK TO WORK

I found that to be quite lame, too.

BTW - I am at work since I chose to be a good employee. My wife now has to take a 1/2 day from her private sector job. I'm not happy about the whole situation that got this rolling.

Everybody's hurting over this.

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Master

1553

Elm Grove

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 1:34 PM

sgoehner - 2011-02-17 1:30 PM

Apparently the new way to get out of not having to vote for something in WI is to get on a bus and head for the border.

You stay classy WI Democrats.

P.S. GET BACK TO WORK

I found that to be quite lame, too.

BTW - I am at work since I chose to be a good employee. My wife now has to take a 1/2 day from her private sector job. I'm not happy about the whole situation that got this rolling.

Everybody's hurting over this.

And I thank you for being a good employee.

I have heard some talk out there that some parents may try to sue the districts that have closed for having to take the time off (which can cause other businesses to close or be less productive). I am not saying that I agree with that either as another huge problem we have in this state are the amount of stupid lawsuits.

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Expert

798

Kewaunee, WI

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

MNGopher - 2011-02-16 11:24 AM

If nothing is done then the government runs out of money. That is pretty clear. The question isn't what happens; it's how to fix the problem. So here goes.

Take all the sick people without health care and kick them to the curb. If they die as a result, who cares their fault for not having healthcare. There is no consequence for not buying health insurance as it stands right now. This is the fundamental problem with healthcare in this country. I have health insurance, I pay taxes, so I pay for my healthcare and also for a portion of my lazy sister-inlaw who bought a big screen TV instead of health insurance and instead uses public health systems to pay for her healthcare.

Raise the retirement age for social security and pensions to the average life expectancy, currently 78 years old. There is no such thing as a free lunch, you didn't save enough money not to work, not my fault you quit your job. The system wasn't setup to let people retire early it was ment to keep old feable poeple who were past the life expectancy from ending up in the gutter.

That tackles the two biggest money sucks, old people and sick people.

As a balance, the minimum wage should be raised such that someone working 40 hours a week 52 weeks a year can afford health insurance and to save for retirement.

Next, license fees for cars should be based on engine size and weight. Two factors that influence impact on the road and environment. The gas tax should be sufficient to address the cost of road maintenance and improvement. The DOT should be based on contract and administrated by a small working group.

Education is an investment. Dumb people aren’t worth as much as smart people. Smart people can do more things that are worth more money and can therefore charge more for their time and efforts. Stop nickel and diming education, but also run the schools under contract. Define what needs to happen, what goals should be met, and what it will cost to provide the service. Then pay what it costs. Different entities could bid on the job of running the education of the young ensuring that the tax payer gets best value.

Everyone pays income tax. Your rich, your poor, everyone pays. You got it because you worked 40 hours a week, won the lotto, cashed in on your house, or played the stock market, it's all the same its money you didn't have last year and now you have it this year. None of this deduction here, deduction there stuff for everything. Progressive income tax should be permitted.

Stop taxing sales; it's pointless, complicated and unfair. Rich people spend a smaller percentage of their income on stuff then poor people. Boost income tax until it covers the lost sales tax.

Remove elected officials responsibility/ability to affect the decision making of the workings of delivering government services. They don't know what they are doing and they routinely make bad choices. Elected officials should legislate the types of benefits that are to be provided by the government and leave it to people who know what they are doing to come up with a plan. Elected officials should act as corporate boards of the business of government, not as CEO's or managers. This means that to encourage the best possible deal for the tax payer all government services should be provide by defined term contracts that can be evaluated. Privatize government services.

Never select any contract based on lowest first cost. Always select the contract based on lowest lifetime cost.

Allow government agency’s to carry a balance or allow deficit spending. Swings in the economy should not be amplified by government spending. It should be dampened. So in good times spending should be reduced and surpluses built so that in bad times spending can be continued or increased without requiring additional revenue. Government is not like your home budget.

You wanted my solution, there it is.

You are my hero.

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Iron Donkey

38643

, Wisconsin

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

sgoehner - 2011-02-17 1:39 PM

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 1:34 PM

sgoehner - 2011-02-17 1:30 PM

Apparently the new way to get out of not having to vote for something in WI is to get on a bus and head for the border.

You stay classy WI Democrats.

P.S. GET BACK TO WORK

I found that to be quite lame, too.

BTW - I am at work since I chose to be a good employee. My wife now has to take a 1/2 day from her private sector job. I'm not happy about the whole situation that got this rolling.

Everybody's hurting over this.

And I thank you for being a good employee.

I have heard some talk out there that some parents may try to sue the districts that have closed for having to take the time off (which can cause other businesses to close or be less productive). I am not saying that I agree with that either as another huge problem we have in this state are the amount of stupid lawsuits.

One thing that I'm glad about out of this is that I finally got some of you less chatty members to post.

Edited by 1stTimeTri 2011-02-17 1:55 PM

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Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

jszat - 2011-02-17 12:56 PM

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 7:52 AM

jszat - 2011-02-17 5:35 AM

Can someone clarify if teachers can negotiate on their own or if they are all part of the union?

As per a friend of mine who was a schoolteacher out of McFarland - when hired as a Wisconsin public schoolteacher, one automatically becomes a member of the represented teacher's union and mandatory dues are taken out of one's pay. However, each district has slightly different benefits provided within their contract.

I heard that UW 2-year campus professors/instructors do not have a union representative, though.

So basically they dont have a choice, and freedom is one of the arguments regarding collective bargaining? i wont claim to know the details, but um, huh?

That is correct. You have no choice. WI is in the minority of states in that it allows for "closed shops." That means, the union can obtain a clause in their union contract that requires all employees become part of the union to remain employed.

After the Budget Repair Bill is pass, Gov Walker will push to make WI a "Right to Work" state. That would put WI in line with that majority of states in the U.S. that prohibit provisions requiring that all employees join a union.

If there is a union, it is illegal for the employer to negotiate directly with employees represented by the union. Therefore, even if an employee does not want to be in a union, too bad. You are required to be in the union and you are required to be bound by whatever is contained in the union contract. It is illegal for the employer to bargain with you as an individual.

The Budge Repair Bill will take away a great number of these inequities.

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Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

UWMadTri - 2011-02-16 3:50 PM Spent a few hours at the Capitol both last night and today. The overwhelming sentiment is displeasure towards the collective bargaining agreement. It also hits a nerve with us because this affects, among others, firefighters, teachers, professors, police...people that we hold some amount of respect in our society.

Obviously, this rally and protest is not going to affect the passage of the budget. This is going to be the reality in Wisconsin, so the impetus is now on those who feel they are being marginalized to figure out what the next steps are.

Absolutely wrong. First, the Budget Repair Bill does not apply to Police or Fire.

Second, to what "collective bargaining agreement" are you referring? A collective bargaining agreement is a contract between a union and an employer that sets forth the terms and conditions of employment.

Third, this bill does not destroy unions or collective bargaining. What is does do is outlaw bargaining on health insurance and retirement. This would place public employees in the same position as private sector employees.

Fourth, their is overwhelming support for this bill in WI. The vast majority of the people of this great state favor this action.

Fifth, Walker ran on the platform that he would do just this and was elected by a landslide. The senate and assembly both flipped from Dem to Repub on the same platform. The people of WI have spoken in the Nov elections.

Finally, the over-estimates are that 10,000 are protesting in Madison. Thousands are kids and students. But, let's assume there are 10,000 protectors. There are over 160,000 public sector empoyees in WI. So, the protestor make up about 6.2% of the workforce.

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Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

When one does not understand the facts and does not understand the issues, one tends to resort to name-calling. The OP is simply employing that strategy with the hopes of winning over some folks on this thread.

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Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

burhed - 2011-02-17 12:13 AM http://www.jsonline.com/business/29181264.htmlDo a search for "Wisconsin Department of Revenue, two-thirds of corporations pay no taxes" I will admit I didn't do a complete search (sorry, don't have the time to look at all the data), but to say that public employees needed to be treated the same as public is ridiculous when the corporations are not paying their fair share. From the bit in the linked article it looks like what they are doing is completely legal of course, but is is right? What's wrong with public workers being allowed to negotiate better pay and benefits? That is what is really being taken away. As UWMadTri mentions they have already taken furloughs and no pay increases over the last few years, they are making sacrifices just the public sector has done. Finally, why does everything have to be a race to the bottom?

You do realize that article was from 2006 and spoke about tax returns for 2003. What is "special" about 2003? It is the first year of Diamon Jim Doyle's reign of terror as Gov of WI.

What you do not understand here is that WI public workers have defined benefit plans, into which they contribute nothing. Show me anyone in the private sector with such a plan, especially on that does not cost them a dime.

WI public employees have the highest level of health insurance coverage in the state, yet most pay nothing for it and those who do, pay less than 40% that which is spent by private sector employee.

This has nothing to do with leveling the playing field. This has to do with the fact that we are broke. Per capita, WI's debt rivals CA. How would you suggest we get our house in order?

The Budget Repair Bill does not destroy unions and does not include pay cuts. It does require public employees to contribute to the enormous benefits they receive. How is that unfair?

Extreme Veteran

928

Chesapeake, VA

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

Im not a Dem or Rep or Ind, Im not for or opp, just a voter in another state. I wont in any way be affected by the outcome of this.. that said.. Most have always wanted a way to stick it to the man.. from Virginia, i think the opp temporarily stuck it to the man

Iron Donkey

38643

, Wisconsin

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:23 PM

UWMadTri - 2011-02-16 3:50 PM Spent a few hours at the Capitol both last night and today. The overwhelming sentiment is displeasure towards the collective bargaining agreement. It also hits a nerve with us because this affects, among others, firefighters, teachers, professors, police...people that we hold some amount of respect in our society.

Obviously, this rally and protest is not going to affect the passage of the budget. This is going to be the reality in Wisconsin, so the impetus is now on those who feel they are being marginalized to figure out what the next steps are.

Absolutely wrong. First, the Budget Repair Bill does not apply to Police or Fire.

Correct. Law enforcment, firefighters, and State Troopers are exempt.

Second, to what "collective bargaining agreement" are you referring? A collective bargaining agreement is a contract between a union and an employer that sets forth the terms and conditions of employment.

Third, this bill does not destroy unions or collective bargaining. What is does do is outlaw bargaining on health insurance and retirement. This would place public employees in the same position as private sector employees.

Then pay me the equivalent of my private sector colleague equivalent and remove the furlough days. You can't have it both ways.

Fourth, their is overwhelming support for this bill in WI. The vast majority of the people of this great state favor this action.

Please provide the percentage and link, please.

Fifth, Walker ran on the platform that he would do just this and was elected by a landslide. The senate and assembly both flipped from Dem to Repub on the same platform. The people of WI have spoken in the Nov elections.

Finally, the over-estimates are that 10,000 are protesting in Madison. Thousands are kids and students. But, let's assume there are 10,000 protectors. There are over 160,000 public sector empoyees in WI. So, the protestor make up about 6.2% of the workforce.

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Champion

15211

Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:46 PM

burhed - 2011-02-17 12:13 AM http://www.jsonline.com/business/29181264.htmlDo a search for "Wisconsin Department of Revenue, two-thirds of corporations pay no taxes" I will admit I didn't do a complete search (sorry, don't have the time to look at all the data), but to say that public employees needed to be treated the same as public is ridiculous when the corporations are not paying their fair share. From the bit in the linked article it looks like what they are doing is completely legal of course, but is is right? What's wrong with public workers being allowed to negotiate better pay and benefits? That is what is really being taken away. As UWMadTri mentions they have already taken furloughs and no pay increases over the last few years, they are making sacrifices just the public sector has done. Finally, why does everything have to be a race to the bottom?

You do realize that article was from 2006 and spoke about tax returns for 2003. What is "special" about 2003? It is the first year of Diamon Jim Doyle's reign of terror as Gov of WI.

What you do not understand here is that WI public workers have defined benefit plans, into which they contribute nothing. Show me anyone in the private sector with such a plan, especially on that does not cost them a dime.

WI public employees have the highest level of health insurance coverage in the state, yet most pay nothing for it and those who do, pay less than 40% that which is spent by private sector employee.

This has nothing to do with leveling the playing field. This has to do with the fact that we are broke. Per capita, WI's debt rivals CA. How would you suggest we get our house in order?

The Budget Repair Bill does not destroy unions and does not include pay cuts. It does require public employees to contribute to the enormous benefits they receive. How is that unfair?

Not according to this.

Wisconsin is in the lower quarter and California in the top quarter.

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Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

crowny2 - 2011-02-17 2:56 PM

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:46 PM

burhed - 2011-02-17 12:13 AM http://www.jsonline.com/business/29181264.htmlDo a search for "Wisconsin Department of Revenue, two-thirds of corporations pay no taxes" I will admit I didn't do a complete search (sorry, don't have the time to look at all the data), but to say that public employees needed to be treated the same as public is ridiculous when the corporations are not paying their fair share. From the bit in the linked article it looks like what they are doing is completely legal of course, but is is right? What's wrong with public workers being allowed to negotiate better pay and benefits? That is what is really being taken away. As UWMadTri mentions they have already taken furloughs and no pay increases over the last few years, they are making sacrifices just the public sector has done. Finally, why does everything have to be a race to the bottom?

You do realize that article was from 2006 and spoke about tax returns for 2003. What is "special" about 2003? It is the first year of Diamon Jim Doyle's reign of terror as Gov of WI.

What you do not understand here is that WI public workers have defined benefit plans, into which they contribute nothing. Show me anyone in the private sector with such a plan, especially on that does not cost them a dime.

WI public employees have the highest level of health insurance coverage in the state, yet most pay nothing for it and those who do, pay less than 40% that which is spent by private sector employee.

This has nothing to do with leveling the playing field. This has to do with the fact that we are broke. Per capita, WI's debt rivals CA. How would you suggest we get our house in order?

The Budget Repair Bill does not destroy unions and does not include pay cuts. It does require public employees to contribute to the enormous benefits they receive. How is that unfair?

Not according to this.

Wisconsin is in the lower quarter and California in the top quarter.

Wisconsin has the tenth worst financial condition, number 41, of all states in a ranking compiled by Forbes.com. Wisconsin has a debt per capita of $1,429, unfunded pensions per capita of $16,418, and debt as a percentage of Gross State Product of 22 percent. Our state is classified as a debt disaster.

http://www.franklinnow.com/blogs/communityblogs/87144437.html

Elite

3491

In The Peleton

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 2:49 PM Then pay me the equivalent of my private sector colleague equivalent and remove the furlough days. You can't have it both ways.

Phil, honest question, have you considered seeking private sector employment in light of the impact of furlough days?

Edited by PeterAK 2011-02-17 3:07 PM

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Champion

15211

Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

JSA - 2011-02-17 3:02 PM

crowny2 - 2011-02-17 2:56 PM

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:46 PM

burhed - 2011-02-17 12:13 AM http://www.jsonline.com/business/29181264.htmlDo a search for "Wisconsin Department of Revenue, two-thirds of corporations pay no taxes" I will admit I didn't do a complete search (sorry, don't have the time to look at all the data), but to say that public employees needed to be treated the same as public is ridiculous when the corporations are not paying their fair share. From the bit in the linked article it looks like what they are doing is completely legal of course, but is is right? What's wrong with public workers being allowed to negotiate better pay and benefits? That is what is really being taken away. As UWMadTri mentions they have already taken furloughs and no pay increases over the last few years, they are making sacrifices just the public sector has done. Finally, why does everything have to be a race to the bottom?

You do realize that article was from 2006 and spoke about tax returns for 2003. What is "special" about 2003? It is the first year of Diamon Jim Doyle's reign of terror as Gov of WI.

What you do not understand here is that WI public workers have defined benefit plans, into which they contribute nothing. Show me anyone in the private sector with such a plan, especially on that does not cost them a dime.

WI public employees have the highest level of health insurance coverage in the state, yet most pay nothing for it and those who do, pay less than 40% that which is spent by private sector employee.

This has nothing to do with leveling the playing field. This has to do with the fact that we are broke. Per capita, WI's debt rivals CA. How would you suggest we get our house in order?

The Budget Repair Bill does not destroy unions and does not include pay cuts. It does require public employees to contribute to the enormous benefits they receive. How is that unfair?

Not according to this.

Wisconsin is in the lower quarter and California in the top quarter.

Wisconsin has the tenth worst financial condition, number 41, of all states in a ranking compiled by Forbes.com. Wisconsin has a debt per capita of $1,429, unfunded pensions per capita of $16,418, and debt as a percentage of Gross State Product of 22 percent. Our state is classified as a debt disaster.

http://www.franklinnow.com/blogs/communityblogs/87144437.html

Interesting. Thanks for the link. I think it shows that stats show what you want them to say.

Some other pieces that I think are worth including in the discussion.

http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/02/17/david-cay-johnston-on-radio-free-dylan-2/

Quotes from the article.

The average Wisconsin state employee gets $24,500 a year.

The state pension plan, 15% of the money going into it each year is being paid out to Wall Street to manage the money. That’s a really huge high percentage to pay out to Wall Street to manage the money.

...go to GoodJobsFirst.org subsidy watch, you can see the tens and tens of millions of dollars over the years Wisconsin taxpayers have been forced to pay to give to corporations, to everybody from SC Johnson and Company in Racine to Harley-Davidson to various cheese companies that is massive amount of taxpayer gifts going to businesses instead of their competing in the marketplace.

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Iron Donkey

38643

, Wisconsin

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:36 PM When one does not understand the facts and does not understand the issues, one tends to resort to name-calling. The OP is simply employing that strategy with the hopes of winning over some folks on this thread.

Glad to see that you joined BT right at this time, and add all of your 4(?) posts to this thread. Or, perhaps you are an existing member needing to hide yourself behind a fake account violating the BT rules?

I know the facts and I know the issues that I know.

I'm going over the Repair Bill and am reading up the information that is being provided to me from my employer, and NOT from the union.

I don't care about "hopes of winning over some folks on this thread". The opposition have spoken and I haven't slammed them. I accept with what they have to say.

All I care about is if I'm going to be treated in a particular way (as a private sector employee),
then make it so, but compensate me accordingly. My benefit compensation balances out the lower pay. You pay me lower, and then tack on furlough timeoff (no pay), and THEN have me pay more towards the benefits, that's double-jeopardy and is unreasonable.

Needless to say, I feel for the private sector persons that are having to go through this hassle because of the teachers that "called in sick".

Besides, NOBODY is winning in this.

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Iron Donkey

38643

, Wisconsin

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

PeterAK - 2011-02-17 3:07 PM

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 2:49 PM Then pay me the equivalent of my private sector colleague equivalent and remove the furlough days. You can't have it both ways.

Phil, honest question, have you considered seeking private sector employment in light of the impact of furlough days?

Yes. But what is very tough is all that I have built up through these years. I need to investigate things further.
Thanks for asking, Peter.

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Edited by Fred Doucette 2011-02-17 3:23 PM

Iron Donkey

38643

, Wisconsin

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

Fred Doucette - 2011-02-17 3:21 PM

Glad to see that you joined BT right at this time, and add all of your 4(?) posts to this thread. Or, perhaps you are an existing member needing to hide yourself behind a fake account violating the BT rules?

Besides, NOBODY is winning in this.

Actually speaking of BT forum rules:

Guideline #3: Off-limit Topics & Forum-Specific Guidelines

Controversial topics will be VERY closely moderated. Politics and religious debate/discussion are allowed only in My Cup of Joe. Those discussions are very closely monitored. Sweeping, derogatory generalizations, e.g. “The Left are ….” “All Republicans are....” will be deleted without warning and result in a loss of posting privileges.

I would consider the name-calling of a governor a "D-bag" to be a sweeping derogatory generalization.

I'm probably wrong as I'm not a moderator and they would have pulled this if it was?

If you feel that this should be pulled, then you have that right.

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Edited by Fred Doucette 2011-02-17 3:27 PM

Expert

1192

Oak Creek, WI

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

1stTimeTri - 2011-02-17 3:12 PM

JSA - 2011-02-17 2:36 PM When one does not understand the facts and does not understand the issues, one tends to resort to name-calling. The OP is simply employing that strategy with the hopes of winning over some folks on this thread.

Glad to see that you joined BT right at this time, and add all of your 4(?) posts to this thread. Or, perhaps you are an existing member needing to hide yourself behind a fake account violating the BT rules?

I know the facts and I know the issues that I know.

I'm going over the Repair Bill and am reading up the information that is being provided to me from my employer, and NOT from the union.

I don't care about "hopes of winning over some folks on this thread". The opposition have spoken and I haven't slammed them. I accept with what they have to say.

All I care about is if I'm going to be treated in a particular way (as a private sector employee),
then make it so, but compensate me accordingly. My benefit compensation balances out the lower pay. You pay me lower, and then tack on furlough timeoff (no pay), and THEN have me pay more towards the benefits, that's double-jeopardy and is unreasonable.

Needless to say, I feel for the private sector persons that are having to go through this hassle because of the teachers that "called in sick".

Besides, NOBODY is winning in this.

Phil - I believe that the new bill eliminates furlough days... a minor point i know.. but just to clarify...

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Iron Donkey

38643

, Wisconsin

Subject: RE: Dear Gov. D-bag of WI:

Fred Doucette - 2011-02-17 3:27 PM

1stTimeTriIf you feel that this should be pulled, then you have that right.

1. I'm not a mod and I don't have that 'right'
2. Much of the discussion from both sides was interesting and well-written.

I am simply questioning the title of the thread, especially since you called into question the forum rules on another poster.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Edited to re-spell written lol.

All fairness. I accept that.

And, hey, no "lol" in here. You can *snerk*, though.

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