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Awesome Jim! Thanks. I would love to see the HIM plan when you get the import stuff worked out.

Any great workout plans for this weekend? The girls had a swim meet today (Saturday) in Mount Desert Island (where Acadia national park is - about 90 miles away), so we spent the day either in a car or on the bleachers watching them swim. We didn't get home until 7:30, so my plan for a long run today went out the window. Looks like I'm getting up tomorrow and running and then doing the long bike ride tomorrow night. How about you all?

Way to go! I'm in a first aid course all weekend so I'm going to do some strength training and elliptical when I get home. Back to the pool tomorrow morning - yay!

Nice work!

I'm struggling to get out to do anything.  Weather here has been really bad, and since I don't have any events planned yet for the coming year I'm just not feeling motivated to get to work.

Luckily, my buildings garage door was on the fritz this morning, and I couldn't get my van out.  Thankfully it was high enough to get my wife's car out, so I used her car, dropped my daughter off at the babysitters, and then came home and rode my bike to work, even though it was raining.  I feel much better having gotten something in.  Hopefully tonight I'll find the motivation to do a run or something.

OK, everyone, be sure and go by DuncanQH's logs and leave this in his inspire box until he does something! 'What are you waiting for?"  MAybe we can motivate you that way! 

Tonight I have a ride scheduled which will be a trainer ride due to me wanting to watch the game, so my question is this:

Alabama or LSU??

Tonight I have a ride scheduled which will be a trainer ride due to me wanting to watch the game, so my question is this:

Alabama or LSU??

Personally I prefer to use RPE (Rate of Perceived Effort) for my workouts. Simply put, I hated always checking the HR while working out and it got to be a pain always worrying about HR and a pain always checking the HRM, trying to stay in a certain range. I find it easier for me to use RPE and know I am going easy, or hard etc... I think this has made me listen to my body more. I know Kido will have some more technical information about this, but for me, it's RPE.

My first oly distance tri, I trained mostly RPE as well as setting goals to achieved the distance to finish.   During that time I couldn’t s/b/r more than a sprint distance.  So I trained  all 3 discipline twice a week.  My goal on that race was to finish that distance.  One of the things to look at is pacing.  It’s a total different beast as you move up the distance (at least at the beginning of your triathlon career).  You want to feel confident on the distance.   Here is my first oly tri race report  http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=214171  

Last year I did my first half iron distance and I did most of my training on HR.   Again my goal was to finish.  I still feel your pacing is the key.  I knew that I can’t race a half like a sprint or oly distance, using a heart monitor helped me pace a good race.

Twink - 2012-01-10 3:34 PM Speaking of endurance...it might not seem much to the rest of ya but I finally completed walking a full 5km (3.1miles) Go team Me!

Whoo Hooo!!!!  Nice!  I am on Team Twink!

Today I had a 2000 yard swim scheduled and part of that swim had some drills sets in it. One of the drills was the cloed fist drill followed by freestyle afterwards, so I did 50 yds closed fist and then 50 yds free!

Man I could really feel me catching the water and it felt like I was flying through the pool after the closed fist drills! I am usually not one for drills (I do like to break off into speed drills), but this is one drill I am thinking I will keep in the rotation!

Well, I like HR!  lol!

In all honesty?  They are about the same, IMO.  When you are just starting out, I would probably push for HR because you may not have a good feel for RPE.  MANY times it's easy to go out harder than you think you are going on your easy days, and not hard enough on your hard days.  Then you just get a bunch or workout that a big mess of "sameness".

After a while, you get a better feel for it.  I can run by percieved effort now and KNOW why my average HR will be with a few beats.  I know what easy is for my HR, and what a tempo effort is, and LT effort.  I don't need the HR data.

But, I'm also a data junky.  I collect it, even if I don't apply it too much.  One place I like to have record of it is during my long training sessions.  It's nice to go back and see if on my long runs/rides if I'm going any faster based on my average HR.

Some people like the freedom of going by feel.  And I enjoy it as well on occasion.  But the engineer in me like numbers!

But really, it's ok to just pick one, and stick with it.

Hey mentor group...

Just another reminder (even though it seems to be going well).  I'm much better at answering questions than just contributing random advice/info.  I would rather address YOUR issues than prattle on about stuff not important to you.

On the other hand, I do like to mention some key items.  If they seem elementary, I'm sorry.

I may also be slow on the draw dropping inspires.  But I'm quick to answer/respond to any of your questions, no matter how silly you think they are.

jford2309 - 2012-01-09 5:08 PM

Twink - 2012-01-10 3:34 PM Speaking of endurance...it might not seem much to the rest of ya but I finally completed walking a full 5km (3.1miles) Go team Me!

 

Whoo Hooo!!!!  Nice!  I am on Team Twink!

Me too! That's fantastic!

So - I've got a question for the group:

I started on NYDay (how predictable, I know) on the Paleo for Athletes plan in an attempt to lose those last stubborn pounds and hopefully better fuel myself come race day. Last Sunday was my first long (for me - it was 6.5 miles - at a snails pace so it took awhile) run. The first 3.5 miles were fine, but then I just ran out of fuel. By the time I got back to the house, I could barely take my jacket off.

According to the plan - you limit your carbs (focusing on protein, fruits and veg, no dairy, no flour, no sugar) except when training - they recommend a Gu at the start and then one every 45 minutes or so. I took a Gu at the start and then didn't bring any with me because I didn't think I would be gone long enough to warrant another (oh, I was so, so wrong). I'm thinking I just didn't have enough carbs in my system to fuel the workout...which makes me think two things: 1) maybe I consistently don't have enough carbs in my system to fuel the workouts so I am just shooting myself in the foot and/or 2) I don't know how to get enough carbs prior to a longer effort following this plan.

Anyone have any experience with trying to lose weight while trying to train at a moderate level? Any suggestions/recommendations?

itsallrelative_Maine - 2012-01-10 4:39 PM

jford2309 - 2012-01-09 5:08 PM

Twink - 2012-01-10 3:34 PM Speaking of endurance...it might not seem much to the rest of ya but I finally completed walking a full 5km (3.1miles) Go team Me!

 

Whoo Hooo!!!!  Nice!  I am on Team Twink!

Me too! That's fantastic!

Thanks so much guys & gals! I'm so grateful for your support and I love that I have the group to help keep me honest about my progress. Cheers!

Love/hate that drill! But its definitely a keeper

Question: When did or do you run? I run first thing in the morning and sometimes I know I do not fuel properly, so before I answered I would want to know hwat/when you ate and when you ran that day...

Way to go Team James!!!!

95% of the time, I run in the morning. During the week it's before the kids get up, on the weekend its a touch later. I'm generally running on a glass of grapefruit juice or a gel about 10 minutes before the start of the run. For 60 minutes or less, this seems to be sufficient..it's the greater than 60m efforts that aren't working out do well. Usually if I'm going to be out more than 90 minutes, I'll take a gel every 45 minutes, but for that grey area between 60 and 90 minutes I'm bonking.

I would think it would have more to do with not have enough carbs in your system in general. I do not see a whole lot of difference in 60 to 90 minutes, especially if you are taking gels every 45 minutes.

Are you sure it is not a mental thing? I know that sometimes what we expect t happen, sometimes happens. So if you go into a run with a mindset of bonking, that could be an obstacle.

On race days, to avoid any bonks, I get up early enought to eat breakfast and then give it time to settle. So I am talking about 2 hours to settle, this way I know I have some fuel in my system!