CFA part Deux (Page 4)

Why not ban the legal recognition of marriage for everyone (including hetero's) and only legally recognize civil unions?

One thing I haven't seen mentioned in any of these CFA threads is the actual context and quote that Dave Cathy said.  So, here is the article that the evil and hateful man was quoted from.

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=38271

I'm cool with it.  I could really care less what label the government puts on my marriage.  Civil unions for all.

What would we call it when a civil union fails and they seperate? 

Secession.

At least the southerns can get on board with that one

no marriage for childless or adoptive parents then, i guess? 

Ya because that has been working out for marriage so far What is the current divorce rate in the US right now?

Exactly.  I was also wondering when disagreeing with someone was akin to disrespecting them.  You are entitled to your opinion as I am.  Just because its 'right' for you, doesnt mean its 'right' for me.  Thats our right, right?

I never thought Cathy, CFA or the people on the other side of the debate as evil.  I just have an opinion that differs from them.  The 'issue' as I see it is, my opinion can change.  I have (IMO) a well thought out reason behind it.  I will listen as new evidence or personal experince comes my way and I am willing to change or modify my opinion as needed.  If I am unwilling to change my opinion for any reason, then it becomes an 'Ideal', and when that ideal is based on faith/scripture, then the argument can easily boil down to ones opinion against ones belief.    Thats was not, and never was, my intent.  Again, I have no problem with what your personal belief is, and I will support your right too say it and practice it.  I just do not agree it should be part of legislature.

Now I dont eat too much fast food, maybe 6-8 times a year.  And when making my food choice, I would most likely choose a chipotle or a Wendys as their food supply is treated more humanly then their competitors regardless of this debate.  But I honestly did want to try one after hearing about the waffle fries on John Hiens 'Fast Food' Show, even when I knew it was a 'christian' based company.   

Speaking of changing my opinion.  I would go to this Chick-Fil-A Chick-fil-A manager in NH to help gay pride fest

 All this talk of fried chicken gave me a hankering for some.  And since I have fried chicken less than fast food (like never, other than buffalo wings twice a year), I picked up some Murrays Chicken, some locally made pickles and fried up my own based on a recipe I saw on Yahoo called Chick-Fil-gAy.   Since Ive never been to a CFA I have no basis to compare, I just know that pickle brings out the flavor and was very tasty (Mrs said I can make it again).  Had to use a wrap since I dont eat bread though.

I do believe I used red font

for some people, it is NOT possible. 

My point is that the religious meaning of the word has no bearing on the current meaning of the word or how marriages are viewed by the current populous of the US.

You guys are killing me.  red font red font...

I apologize if me being sarcastic is being interpreted as disrespecting anyone.  I actually respect you guys a ton and to be honest I find this forum is the best place for respectful, honest, and well thought out opinions and debate on this subject.

Anyways, I don't think I'm actually as far away as you guys think I am on this topic.  I am obviously a Christian and do believe in the biblical definition of marriage, which I think you guys all don't have issue with (me believing it, that is).  I also don't like the fact that legislatures try to force religious beliefs down peoples throats through laws, so we're probably in agreement in that area.  I'm mostly a libertarian at heart who tries to live my life in the way that I feel appropriate (based on my christian beliefs) and I try very hard not to judge others, no matter what they do that I don't like.

The part that's really driven me nuts on the whole CFA debate, and I'll be honest with you it's been mostly on FB and not here, is the complete intolerance I've witnessed against Dan Cathy's personal beliefs.  I went to CFA yesterday to defend his right to free speech and his right to say what he wants.  If he were to discriminate against gays or anyone else in his business I would have a total different attitude on the subject.

This is another can of worms to discuss but in my opinion just because people have a religious belief or views in no way means they practice the believes and even if they do than they have to agree that we are all sinners so why should we as simple human beings judge what sin that does not affect us or laws should be more important? We let sinners that hurt the idea of marriage get married all the time including in religious weddings so personally all I see is the self righteous telling others something they are doing is wrong when they them self’s are doing things wrong. Show me the one without sin and he can tell others how to live in the righteous way.

Just had someone say something very interesting that made me think. Marriage is both a government and religious institution.

If someone gets married at a church but does not do it threw the government are they married in the eyes of the state? If not the religious marriage doesn't matter for the couple’s rights hence shouldn’t matter in what the state considers a marriage.  

Can you help me understand how his right to free speech was, or is, under attack?  He has every right to share his opinions.  I don't think anyone is disputing this.

My marriage IS civil.  My marriage happens to be hetero, though.  We do not recognize the church (any church) as a valid authority on our relationship.  I would think most homosexuals would gladly accept a civil union.  Leave it up to the specific church to recognize what they want.  

It's also a total disregard for anyone else's religion.  I'm sure the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is supportive and willing to marry any homosexual couple.  Why don't we base our national policies on that church?