Libya and Egypt Attacks (Page 4)

I am shocked...umm never mind, you put yoru tin foil hat back on

friend of mine posted this on facebook.  seems fitting

It's getting crazy for sure.  I saw a map on the news this morning of all the protests and attacks going on throughout the middle east and it's pretty widespread.

Well duh, of course that's how it works.  

My opinion:  Absolutely Obama gets credit for killing Osama bin Laden, and Absolutely Obama gets credit for the effects of his middle east policy.  He supported the Arab Spring and even took us to war (arguably unconstitutionally) in Libya.  Libya is absolutely Obama's war and problem.

"We came, we saw, he died" -Hillary Clinton

After this statement I will have trouble taking anything you write seriously. Relations between US and what is now Lybia have been bad for centuries. Want to go back to the First Barbary War? No? Ok then, how about a bit more of a modern era when they attacked the US Embassy in Triploi in 1979.

So Obama takes office with a stable Libya.  He supports a revolt by bypassing congress (many argue illegally) with his administration even bragging about how they killed Gaddafi.  Then said revolt winds up not working out quite the way we thought with anti us riots and the killing of our ambassador and other Americans.

OK, I see your point.  You are correct, Obama has no fault at all.  My bad

As my teenage step daughter likes to say; whatever.

Libya’s Obama’s war and problem?  And also unconstitutional?  What I find funny is that when the fighting escalated between Libyan rebels and Gadhafi’s army Romney and conservatives didn’t miss a
second to attack Obama and criticize him for dragging his feet in using the Military to support the uprising.

After Obama gave to the go ahead for “limited military action” once again Obama was criticized for being tentative, indecisive, timid and nuanced” and delegating the decision to the United Nations and the Arab League.

 Now fast forward a month or so and you have Romney criticizing Obama and stating that “military action cannot be under-deliberated and ad hoc” “The president owes it to the American people and Congress to immediately explain his new Libya mission and its strategic rationale.”

 Same as his opinion in regards to Gadhafi’s  He agreed with Bolton’s opinion that Obama had made a mistake by calling for the removal of Gadhafi and added that “who’s going to own Libya if we get rid of the government there?”  But when Gadhafi was killed he praised the rebels for taking out “one of the worst actors on the world stage, responsible for terror around the world.” “The world is a better place with him gone,” “I think it’s abouttime.”

So, what I'm getting is no matter what happens in Libya it's not Obama's fault?  I believe Obama is the President of the United States.  I believe he made the decision to get involved, not Romney or the congress, or the republicans.  If you are the President and you make a decision to do something you kind of get to take credit (or the heat) for the outcome of those decisions.

As for the world being a better place with Gaddafi gone.  The jury's still out, but so far that doesn't seem to be the case.

Oh and I didn't say it "was" unconstitutional, I said it was arguably unconstitutional.  I'll quote a Liberal source on that:
Obama’s Libya War: Unconstitutional, Naïve, Hypocritical

If that is what you are getting then i dont know what to tell you.  The point of my post was to point out the hypocricy of most of those out there that are now critisizing the administration.

He certainly made the decision to get involved based on the circumstances, and he should take the credit or blame based on the ramificatiosn of our actions, but the "critics" of his decision can not based their opinions based on what color of underwear they are wearing that day.

That I can agree with.  Yes there is a lot of hypocrisy going on out there with people who supported the actions as well who are now criticizing the actions.  I thought you were just trying to deflect from Obama.  

Don't forget that he skipped his Intel meeting the day after the attacks as well.  Maybe Clint was onto something with that empty chair skit.

Michelle Malkin described the Obama campaign as the "Squirrel" campaign.  Every time something happens they yell "Squirrel" and point at something else.  US Embassy's get attacked with American blood spilled they yell "Squirrel" and only want to talk about Romney's response and a Youtube film.

When our nation is at war or perceived to be we are less likely to changes leaders while involved in a conflict. I don't know and I'm not speculating but is it possible that by leaving the embassies &/or consulates vulnerable like they were that it may improve his already good chance of being re-elected?

I understood the tough day comment to me for for us as a nation than as him personally.

I really wish he would have cancelled his Vegas Vacation speech, I had to sit stopped at the airport for a solid 30 minutes waiting for AF1 to take off.

Not even sure where to start.

The Presidential Daily Brief is a document, not a meeting.  It's presented to the President, and other top cabinet officials ( Sec of State, National Security Advisor, Sec of Def, ... ).  Whether the president has someone read him the document or reads it himself, he's getting it daily.  Trying to spin the president not having someone read him the document each day into him "skipping out on intel meetings for weeks" is just lame.

There are differences between consulates and embassies.  Benghazi was a consulate, not an embassy.  Embassies are located in capitals.  Consulates are satellite offices located in other cities than the capital.  Neither are fortified military installations, they are extensions of our diplomacy, not our military. 

Obama did a bit more than "call it a tough day and jet off to Vegas".  You're being silly again at best, or purposely misleading at worst.

Inviting the president of Egypt to meet is not the same as inviting the Muslim Brotherhood to the White House.  Unless you also want to claim that Reagan invited communists to the White House for meeting with Gorbachev.

The issue of meeting with Netanyahu is debatable.  The administration says no meeting was requested.  So it's matter of which side of the story you choose to believe.  Of course, you believe the side this counter to Obama.  For me, I'll withhold judgement on it for now.

I had typed a long reply but i erased it when i saw yours as you covered what i was trying to say.

It is very lame the length that some people go to miss represent the facts and twist the available information.  As i previously said, each person is in their rigth to like, dislike , or fall somewhere in between with the current administration, there is no reason to twist and missrepresent information to validate a point.

My personal opinion is that I have a hard time putting my finger on what the administrations Middle East Foreign Policy has been to this point.  Regardless of my opinion, the Administration is facing its first real foreign affairs issue in the Middle East on such a large scale.  Rioting in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, The Sudan,  IRaq, Yemen, and Bangladesh (non-M.E. I get it).

The situation is fluid and novel at this point, and certainly the administration should be given time, certainly more than one day, to formulate and express a foreign policy statement, that is in the best interest of the U.S.

But, the administration will have to do something, it will be interesting to see how the administration handles this.  This is not a theoretical exercise in foreign affairs, this is the real deal now.

Also anyone catch Faud Ajami on CNN last night. Ajami is the senior fellow and co-chair of the "Working Group on Islam and International Order" at Stanford's Hoover Institution.

He really came down hard on the Presidents foreign policy regarding Egypt.  Said that the President ignored long standing anti-American feelings in Egypt and said the President's belief that his post Arab Spring speech in Egypt would mend Anti-American sentiments was nieve.  (I'm paraphrasing) 

I'll admitt I didn't see the entire interview, just bits and pieces of it.  (I was switching between CNN and the NFL channel)

Please send this memo to the Obamba "Truth" team before I have to start deleting FB friends for passing on their stupidity.

Not according to the white House.

 http://freebeacon.com/carney-protests-not-directed-at-the-united-states/