Flu shot question (Page 4)

for your fear of Guillan-Barre - you are much more likely to get G-B from the flu or other viral illness. so yes that is irrational.

35,000 people die each year in the US from the flu. If you gave someone you were caring for in your job the flu and they died how would you feel?

YOU CANNOT GET SICK FROM THE FLU SHOT - (nasal mist yes shot no) - there is NO live virus in the vaccine (flumist is live virus). What you get if you get symptoms is an immune response.

No, getting the flu does not strengthen your immune system. The flu immunity only lasts about a year

Here is a site with actual FACTS about the flu vaccine, rather than some of the drivel in this thread:

http://www.vaccinews.net/top20questions.php

Opinions are fine - but don't present them as facts.

I have to respond here because you same some things that are blatently false.

Kids no longer die from diseases they ROUTINELY died from: Diptheria, Pertussis (except for the California babies whose parents chose not to vaccinate), Haemophilus Influenza, Polio.

While kids are vaccinated against more DISEASES than when you and I were kids, they are getting fewer ANTIGENS because the vaccines are more specific.

We now have the biggest pertussis outbreak we have had in 50 years from those choosing not to vaccinate. Several infants died in California - unnecessary deaths.

H. Flu was the leading cause of neonatal meningitis when I started medical school. The vaccine came out and the neonatal death rate plummeted.

Your kids stayed healthy due to herd immunity but as that wanes if more and more decide to ignore medical science and instead go with their opinion that vaccines weaken immune systems then we will once again see outbreaks of polio, diptheria and all the other childhood diseases.  

We will go back to the days when people had 10 children hoping 6 would live.

My boys were fully vaccinated. Never needed antibiotics, no strep throat, no attention issues, no diabetes, no allergies. 

Not surprised you posted we have always had a differing of OPINIONS. I know you know a lot more about this than I do.

However, I am not sure how my OPINION can be wrong. My favorite color is red. Is that also wrong?  The only thing I said that is not my opinion I guess is that kids are more sick now than ever. Maybe it is just the parents on my FB feed have sickly kids but kids seem to be sick all.the.time.  Having worked in a surgery center the number of ear tubes and tonsil and adenoid removal is shocking IMO.  I think it may also be parents kind of freak when their kid has a temp over 99 and maybe jump the gun on medicine, doctor visits and asking for antibiotics but I am sure you will tell me that is wrong too.

My point is that I do what I feel is best for my kids and it works for us. As I have said many many times before I am not anti vaccine as a whole and if somebody from my family had a reason for us to be vaxed I would consider it.  I do believe some of these diseases just run their course. What I do find surprising is in my large community of people who either do not vaccinate at all or selectively vax and none of these kids get the stuff everyone is vaxing for.

Our opinions differ, you have more facts, never disputed that.  Again, also never said others shouldn't vax but think and research before you do and go with what works for you and your family, I will do the same.

you did not just state opinion

first off you went on about all the vaccines so yes, I corrected you - more diseases - fewer antigens  - ie kids get LESS in vaccines than when you were a child - a FACT.

"Kids are sicker than ever from what I see. More of every illness we rarely saw as kids." you point to all your friends with sick kids as "proof" that vaccines weaken immunity and your kids health and not being vaccinated as further proof - stated as facts.

My kids, fully vaccinated - just as healthy as yours hmmmm

Lots of kids treated over the years and can say that whether they were fully vaccinated or not really had nothing to do with rate of colds, flu, strep.  Breast feeding sometimes correlated.

There is not one shred of data to support statements like allergies

not vaccinating threatens the return of Polio, diphtheria, measles, rubella, Haemophilus Influenza, mumps - diseases that routinely killed infants, left others infirmed, sterile....

vaccinations are the biggest move forward pediatrics has had ever.

Please see bolded.

For future reference in every single post of mine what I post is my OPINION and what I see with my non-doctor eyes.

TriToy is a doctor I believe and knows MUCH more about this subject than I do.

I will continue to do what I believe is best for my family.

It is OK for me to state my beliefs and opinions on a public bulletin board (which I think is the whole idea) but nobody should follow them, I was simply sharing what we do.

Yep, thanks.

Not everyone vaccinates. Most adults are not fully vaccinated and many more kids than you would expect. I post because very few people who don't vaccinate post because somebody ends up shouting them down, happens every time. It also never fails that when I do post I get messages from other folks who do not vaccinate but aren't ready to don their fire retardant suits.

Above paragraph is my own anecdotal experience.

I am not a doctor, do not play one on TV and did not sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.

In medicine we call those observations anecdotal - they are meaningless.

The data is VERY clear. Vaccines save lives.