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 2006-07-12 1:36 PM in reply to: #479907 |
Elite  2552    Evans, GA |  Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis)I imagine SA would ally with GB and the US and the rest of Africa would devolve into infighting. I don't know enough about African military might to say whether they would contribute to war on a global scale. |
| 2006-07-12 1:39 PM in reply to: #480461 |
Extreme Veteran 402 Ogden, Utah | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) Opus - 2006-07-12 1:34 PM Scout7 - 2006-07-12 2:15 PM You miss my point. My point is, why does the number of deaths matter to who sacrificed more? Many would argue that ONE death is more sacrifice than necessary. I am calling into question how your argument that more French died in WWII shows anything other than more French died in WWII. Actually, I was looking at WWI, where the French died in huge numbers. I'm sorry, but if the US lost 1.3 million soldiers in a war like the French did in WWI, that would be a bigger sacrifice than losing 130. Scout7 - 2006-07-12 2:15 PM As for looking back at France's experience, that's all well and good, if one is fighting those types of wars. However, and this is true of most militaries, training for the last war does not prepare you to fight the next. Hence the reason that many French died. The Maginot line was a horrible idea, thought up by people stuck fighting WWI-type combat, NOT by forward-thinking strategists who were preparing to fight the next type of war. We study military history to get an idea of what has worked and what hasn't, but more importantly to gain critical thinking skills and to learn general ideas that can then be applied to any type of tactical or strategic issue. And that's fine too if it's true, but immaterial either way. I don't think you or anybody else can justifiably call the French surrender monkeys or cowards when the evidence in terms of loss of life shows the opposite. It doesn't matter why they died in combat, the fact is that they did and, as a general rule, if you die in combat, it's not because you are a coward.Correct me if I am wrong... with the exception of my fairly LIGHT comment about the French and the World Cup (I hope we are not going down this road again), when did someone can the French cowards? I claimed that they have a strengthening Socialist movement, but I wasn't calling them chicken.... If I did, I apologize for starting this riot. LOL |
| 2006-07-12 1:41 PM in reply to: #480388 |
Pro 4481 Reston | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) Italy scored an own goal...we scored zero. negative ghostrider.we scored against Ghana. |
| 2006-07-12 1:44 PM in reply to: #480471 |
Giver 18427  | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) TwoRiversTri - 2006-07-12 2:39 PM ...when did someone can the French cowards? "...the Frenchies will run and hide...as usual." So there was that, and similar (and worse) comments in lots of other threads. Opus has a right to be a little sensitive on the subject. |
| 2006-07-12 1:45 PM in reply to: #480478 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) 3558 - 2006-07-12 2:41 PM Italy scored an own goal...we scored zero. negative ghostrider.we scored against Ghana.
Oh yeah. USA! USA! USA! |
| 2006-07-12 1:47 PM in reply to: #480456 |
Extreme Veteran 760 Provo, UT (my heart is in Seattle) | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) TwoRiversTri - 2006-07-12 12:33 PM Now... HERE's A killer question... Africa.... where would THAT fall? If you're refering to who they would ally with the answer depends on the country. South Africa has strong relations with the United States along with a few other nations, but China has exerted a lot of influence in the region, offering tons of support to many of the regimes as well as buying lots of oil from whatever country has the resources and is willing to sell. Also, don't forget that North Africa is virtually entirely Muslim, so that might influence their decision as well. Africa is also "united" under the AU. The AU is pretty weak though, and I think that African states would ally with their international buddies a lot quicker than their continental friends. Basically, Africa is not going to do anything together, because Africa is composed of many autonomous states, and the individual states will do many different things depending upon what is going to benefit them the most in their eyes. |
| 2006-07-12 1:57 PM in reply to: #479907 |
Got Wahoo? 5423 San Antonio | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) I just can't decide if I want to get involved in this..., so after much internal debate, I'm going to go frenchie and not do anything. Edited by tmwelshy 2006-07-12 2:13 PM |
| 2006-07-12 2:01 PM in reply to: #480485 |
Extreme Veteran 402 Ogden, Utah | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) run4yrlif - 2006-07-12 1:44 PM TwoRiversTri - 2006-07-12 2:39 PM ...when did someone can the French cowards? "...the Frenchies will run and hide...as usual." So there was that, and similar (and worse) comments in lots of other threads. Opus has a right to be a little sensitive on the subject. Well shame on me and my conservative cold-heartness coming out... LOL As I said, I apologize for the inflammatory comments. Back to conflict bashing LOL |
| 2006-07-12 2:04 PM in reply to: #479907 |
Extreme Veteran 402 Ogden, Utah | Subject: RE: French Redemption against my comments http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/12/iran.nuclear.ap/index.html France is on board against Iran... So I was wrong.... Everyone spit on me and beat me with a stick. |
| 2006-07-12 2:06 PM in reply to: #480461 |
Runner | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) Opus - 2006-07-12 2:34 PM Scout7 - 2006-07-12 2:15 PM As for looking back at France's experience, that's all well and good, if one is fighting those types of wars. However, and this is true of most militaries, training for the last war does not prepare you to fight the next. Hence the reason that many French died. The Maginot line was a horrible idea, thought up by people stuck fighting WWI-type combat, NOT by forward-thinking strategists who were preparing to fight the next type of war. We study military history to get an idea of what has worked and what hasn't, but more importantly to gain critical thinking skills and to learn general ideas that can then be applied to any type of tactical or strategic issue. And that's fine too if it's true, but immaterial either way. I don't think you or anybody else can justifiably call the French surrender monkeys or cowards when the evidence in terms of loss of life shows the opposite. It doesn't matter why they died in combat, the fact is that they did and, as a general rule, if you die in combat, it's not because you are a coward. I misunderstood which statistic you were bringing forth in terms of which war you refered to. As for my statement being immaterial, if it's immaterial, why did you specifically suggest looking at French military history to prove your point that they are skilled militarily? Besides, I did not call the French cowards, or surrender monkeys. I questioned whether bringing up the number of deaths shows EITHER side to be true or false. As for dying in combat, the cowardly can die just as easily as the brave. Murphy's Law: Anything you do in combat can get you killed, including nothing. |
| 2006-07-12 2:11 PM in reply to: #480374 |
Pro 4189 Pittsburgh, my heart is in Glasgow | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) TwoRiversTri - 2006-07-12 1:54 PM phoenixazul - 2006-07-12 12:46 PM And this my friends, is why I am persuing Irish citizenship...gotta love a neutral state, and they have good tea. I just have to learn how to shear a sheep. (PS, they're really ticked off at the US for using Shannon Airport to transport prisoners.)
By the way... what the crap ever happen to the IRA? I haven't heard a squak out of them in almost a decade it seems. the IRA still "exist" technically. They are decomissioned, having surrendered arms. Sinn Fein and to a lesser extent the Social Democratic and Labour Party, are still focused on uniting the North with the Republic. The troubles have died down for the most part, although July is usually the time you hear the most about Northern Ireland due to the Orangemen marches, which usually stir up sectarian conflict. What I find funny is that most people know about the IRA, but no one knows about the UDA/UDF/UFF/RHC...all of the loyalist paramilitaries that did just as much damage if not more than the IRA...except they kept it for the most part in Ireland, while the IRA went abroad. The current generation (people my age and younger) have mostly grown up in a time without the troubles, and have friends of other faiths/communities. The older people are clinging to the symbols of the past, but for the most part, recognize that the time for war has past. That all being said, I *personally* believe that Northern Ireland should be part of the Republic. That's just me. It seems like the country's roll in UK governance is...well, non existant. The Stormont parliment has collapsed and things are just plain frustrating. I tend to think of NI as the UK equivalent of Puerto Rico. and this is how it was put to me..." the irish fight amongst themselves because they have no other worth opponents" Edited by phoenixazul 2006-07-12 2:15 PM |
| 2006-07-12 2:15 PM in reply to: #480534 |
Extreme Veteran 760 Provo, UT (my heart is in Seattle) | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) phoenixazul - 2006-07-12 1:11 PM What I find funny is that most people know about the IRA, but no one knows about the UDA/UDF/UFF/RHC...all of the loyalist paramilitaries that did just as much damage if not more than the IRA...except they kept it for the most part in Ireland, while the IRA went abroad. "except they kept it for the most part in Ireland, while the IRA went abroad." You answered your puzzlement yourself. If that doesn't work for you Tracey, then it's the same reason why not many people have heard of ETA in Spain. Edited to spell Tracey's name correctly, sorry about that Edited by Drewwhite 2006-07-12 2:20 PM |
| 2006-07-12 2:19 PM in reply to: #480506 |
| Crystal Lake, IL | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) tmwelshy - 2006-07-12 1:57 PM I just can't decide if I want to get involved in this..., so after much internal debate, I'm going to go frenchie and not do anything. You're not frenchie, you're swiss cheese.
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| 2006-07-12 2:20 PM in reply to: #480433 |
| Crystal Lake, IL | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) DerekL - 2006-07-12 1:21 PM Damnit, Jim. Disagree with me or say something inflammatory. I'm strangely detached from the I was certain you were going to say, "Damnit Jim, I'm a doctor!" And I'm sticking with 5 pages, there's been a lot of apologizing lately.
Edited by hangloose 2006-07-12 2:21 PM |
| 2006-07-12 2:21 PM in reply to: #480471 |
| Pro 4040 | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) TwoRiversTri - 2006-07-12 2:39 PM Correct me if I am wrong... with the exception of my fairly LIGHT comment about the French and the World Cup (I hope we are not going down this road again), when did someone can the French cowards? I claimed that they have a strengthening Socialist movement, but I wasn't calling them chicken.... If I did, I apologize for starting this riot. LOL I was responding to your "run and hide" comment, but I agree it was light. The ensuing hyjack is ordinary enough. I can tolerate the little jokes, but I find it hard to accept when people believe the jokes. In any case, I like a good scrap.  |
| 2006-07-12 2:29 PM in reply to: #480557 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) hangloose - 2006-07-12 3:20 PM I was certain you were going to say, "Damnit Jim, I'm a doctor!" Yeah...it's funny, but I've never hrad that one before. Huh. |
| 2006-07-12 2:31 PM in reply to: #479907 |
Extreme Veteran 402 Ogden, Utah | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) Well, in that case... THE FRENCH CANT WIN THE WORLD CUP HAHAHAHAHAHA.
yeah I think the argument is dying as well.... we will probabaly won't hit 5 unless some more action comes out of the Middle East. By the way... out of ALL of what's happened today in Lebanon, I find it very strange that the Lebanese government hasn't said ONE WORD about Isreal being in their country... What's that all about? |
| 2006-07-12 2:32 PM in reply to: #480525 |
| Pro 4040 | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) Scout7 - 2006-07-12 3:06 PM I misunderstood which statistic you were bringing forth in terms of which war you refered to. As for my statement being immaterial, if it's immaterial, why did you specifically suggest looking at French military history to prove your point that they are skilled militarily? Besides, I did not call the French cowards, or surrender monkeys. I questioned whether bringing up the number of deaths shows EITHER side to be true or false. As for dying in combat, the cowardly can die just as easily as the brave. Murphy's Law: Anything you do in combat can get you killed, including nothing. The number of deaths the French have suffered seems to indicate, at the very least, that there is some military resolve on the part of the French. There's no way of knowing who is a coward and who isn't among the dead, so out of respect, let's assume they were heroes. As to why I answered the comment about military skill, attribute it to discussion scope creep. I am usually good at scope control, but not this time. |
| 2006-07-12 2:33 PM in reply to: #480506 |
Champion 6627 Rochester Hills, Michigan Gold member | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) tmwelshy - 2006-07-12 2:57 PM I just can't decide if I want to get involved in this..., so after much internal debate, I'm going to go frenchie and not do anything. Hell, Tom, you're uniquely qualified to get involved. You were there when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, after all... |
 2006-07-12 2:36 PM in reply to: #479907 |
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| 2006-07-12 2:38 PM in reply to: #479907 |
| Champion 6627 Rochester Hills, Michigan Gold member | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) And go ahead and google "French Military Victories" while you're at it. Ahem. |
| 2006-07-12 2:39 PM in reply to: #480586 |
| Extreme Veteran 402 Ogden, Utah | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) Opus - 2006-07-12 2:32 PM Scout7 - 2006-07-12 3:06 PM I misunderstood which statistic you were bringing forth in terms of which war you refered to. As for my statement being immaterial, if it's immaterial, why did you specifically suggest looking at French military history to prove your point that they are skilled militarily? Besides, I did not call the French cowards, or surrender monkeys. I questioned whether bringing up the number of deaths shows EITHER side to be true or false. As for dying in combat, the cowardly can die just as easily as the brave. Murphy's Law: Anything you do in combat can get you killed, including nothing. The number of deaths the French have suffered seems to indicate, at the very least, that there is some military resolve on the part of the French. There's no way of knowing who is a coward and who isn't among the dead, so out of respect, let's assume they were heroes. As to why I answered the comment about military skill, attribute it to discussion scope creep. I am usually good at scope control, but not this time. Okay...no offense to the French AT ALL in this circumstance.... but wouldn't ANYONE have "some military resolve" when you country was invaded and is being decimated by German Tanks? I don't think that that is a relative statement. The assumption that everyone is a hero is a little bit of a stretch IMO. How about we call them soldiers, and give them the proper respect they deserve for that title. I personally can't stand the word hero nowadays, as it has been dilluted to the point of having NO meaning. |
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| Pro 4481 Reston | Subject: RE: World Situation (or should I say world crisis) run4yrlif - 2006-07-12 2:45 PM 3558 - 2006-07-12 2:41 PM Italy scored an own goal...we scored zero. negative ghostrider.we scored against Ghana.
Oh yeah. USA! USA! USA! I'm glad I was able to contribute to this thread. |
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