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2013-07-25 2:34 PM
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Same here, my long runs I do at 11:00 or so. Short runs I want done as fast as possible- and I like to keep my speed for the 5K's I do on occasion. I'll drop to a 9:15/mile pace for anything less than 4. I find these short, fast runs harder to recover from though. Go figure.


2013-07-28 10:36 AM
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12 miles yesterday at Waterfall Glen. Only my 2nd time running that long. The other was in a half marathon and I cramped up at mile 10. This was much better than that experience. Still liking the 10:30 pace and starting to narrow in on nutrition. But I know it will be a whole other ballgame when we get to like 14, 15 miles.

2013-07-28 2:48 PM
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12 miles yesterday at Waterfall Glen. Only my 2nd time running that long. The other was in a half marathon and I cramped up at mile 10. This was much better than that experience. Still liking the 10:30 pace and starting to narrow in on nutrition. But I know it will be a whole other ballgame when we get to like 14, 15 miles.



I did my midweek run @ Waterfall last week. Kudos to you for doing a long run out there... the hills seem to never end! It's a lovely place though, so serene and peaceful.

My 12 @ Wheaton were a piece of cake compared to Waterfall, although the course is considerably less interesting.
2013-07-29 9:09 AM
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 I did my midweek run @ Waterfall last week. Kudos to you for doing a long run out there... the hills seem to never end! It's a lovely place though, so serene and peaceful. My 12 @ Wheaton were a piece of cake compared to Waterfall, although the course is considerably less interesting.

Thanks so much! I really enjoy my runs out there. I think the hills actually help my knees because there's some variety of movement. I'm kind of worried about a totally flat 26.2 but we'll see how things play out at the Magellan 20-miler.

2013-08-02 3:53 PM
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13 for me this weekend at Waterfall Glen.

What are you doing & where are you running?

2013-08-02 11:00 PM
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13 for me this weekend at Waterfall Glen.

What are you doing & where are you running?




Recovery week, and getting ready to taper for my "A" race (Rev3 Wisconsin Dells), then my B race two weeks later (Chicago Triathlon, oly distance). I'm lucky, as living in the northwest suburbs means I can park-hop for water, and there's several nice paths to run on.

What shoes are you folks planning on running in? My Saucony Triumph 9's have been great, but they've got about 400 miles on them, and I can feel them losing some of their cushy training bliss. I figure I want to have a pair with about a hundred miles on them for race day, so they're broken in but still have most of their life left.


2013-08-03 12:44 AM
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I had to put this week off. Went to a podiatrist and it turns I have partial tearing in achilles tendons that causes inflammation after long runs. Not a good time to put of training but better than long term injury.

I am waiting some special orthotics now to use with my running shoes. These are supposed to support my low-arch foot more and reduce the pressure. Word of advice from the doc - run on grass/dirt trails over hard surface. Alsp, asphalt > concrete. Concrete is the worst.

He did refer the 'Born to Run'. Didn't see that coming. :D
2013-08-03 3:14 PM
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hello, I'm new to this forum. I will be doing Chicago for the 2nd time. First was in 2011 and Fox Valley last year. Just did Racine HIM and just haven't been motivated to get running full time. My other two marathons I ended up hurt a few weeks before. I'm guessing too much training at too fast of a pace. I'd like to run a BQ'er (3:25), I've run a half at that pace. I've never trained with any kind of heart rate monitor but I'm wondering if I should. Is it too late to start doing it for Chicago? Any thoughts?

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2013-08-05 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by ironbaby I had to put this week off. Went to a podiatrist and it turns I have partial tearing in achilles tendons that causes inflammation after long runs. Not a good time to put of training but better than long term injury. I am waiting some special orthotics now to use with my running shoes. These are supposed to support my low-arch foot more and reduce the pressure. Word of advice from the doc - run on grass/dirt trails over hard surface. Alsp, asphalt > concrete. Concrete is the worst. He did refer the 'Born to Run'. Didn't see that coming. :D

Oh no! Can you bike or do underwater running? I wouldn't put off training completely  

It will be interesting to hear how you like your orthotics. I had some IT Band and hip issues a few years ago  and my chiropractor told me he could either give me orthotics OR I could work on strengthening and go to more minimal shoes a la born to run. I decided against the orthotics and in favor of working on my strength and form and things seem to be better. But it's a very personal decision.  

2013-08-05 12:12 PM
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hello, I'm new to this forum. I will be doing Chicago for the 2nd time. First was in 2011 and Fox Valley last year. Just did Racine HIM and just haven't been motivated to get running full time. My other two marathons I ended up hurt a few weeks before. I'm guessing too much training at too fast of a pace. I'd like to run a BQ'er (3:25), I've run a half at that pace. I've never trained with any kind of heart rate monitor but I'm wondering if I should. Is it too late to start doing it for Chicago? Any thoughts?

Thanks


I love my HRM, and I have been a long-time fan of heart rate training. I've found it's pretty hard to tell the difference, in terms of PER, between, say, my high zone 2 (145bpm) and mid zone 3 (155), but the training stress difference is significant.

Since you are a much more experienced runner than I am, I suggest that you spend a couple of weeks doing your normal training, with the HR display disabled, and then review it to see where you were training.

Personally, I use a Garmin 910xt, since it's one-stop shopping for all my multisport needs.
2013-08-05 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by mirthfuldragon 

 What shoes are you folks planning on running in? My Saucony Triumph 9's have been great, but they've got about 400 miles on them, and I can feel them losing some of their cushy training bliss. I figure I want to have a pair with about a hundred miles on them for race day, so they're broken in but still have most of their life left.

Saucony Kinvara 3's. I've been training in a pair that now has about 270 miles in them. My models 1 and 2 both started breaking down in the midfoot around 300 miles, so I just bought the EXACT SAME SHOE (same color and everything) off e-bay and will be breaking them in on my shorter runs. The last thing I want is to rely on a shoe that doesn't hold up to October. The second pair is my insurance policy. 



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Kicked out about 14.5 miles on the lakefront trail in just under two hours Saturday with a buddy of mine.

He's a bamf -- hasn't run more than like 5 miles in the past year or more and kicked out two hours with me for fun. Stopped to see some of his SWAT buddies along the trail and they asked us for a ride. As tempting as it was after about 13 miles, I declined and finished the last mile and a half. It would've been cool to be dropped off in the CPD SWATmobile, though.
2013-08-05 9:19 PM
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15.5 Mile run on Sunday. Was a beautiful day to run! I had a set back in training. Some knee pain limited mileage. But ran the 15 miler and all was good. So looks like I can keep ramping up. :-)

Runinng in Asics Nimbus BTW.


I have had achilles issues in the past. First thing the doc had me do was put heel lifts in. (shorten achilles travel)
2013-08-06 8:55 AM
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Originally posted by ironbaby

I had to put this week off. Went to a podiatrist and it turns I have partial tearing in achilles tendons that causes inflammation after long runs. Not a good time to put of training but better than long term injury.

I am waiting some special orthotics now to use with my running shoes. These are supposed to support my low-arch foot more and reduce the pressure. Word of advice from the doc - run on grass/dirt trails over hard surface. Alsp, asphalt > concrete. Concrete is the worst.

He did refer the 'Born to Run'. Didn't see that coming. :D


Blargh that sucks. Out of curiosity, what was the pain like? I have this pain everyday in my calf around the achilles. Eventually it loosens up but in the mornings it's hard to walk. And last night during my run it hurt the whole time.
2013-08-06 8:56 AM
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Originally posted by rgarcia1501

hello, I'm new to this forum. I will be doing Chicago for the 2nd time. First was in 2011 and Fox Valley last year. Just did Racine HIM and just haven't been motivated to get running full time. My other two marathons I ended up hurt a few weeks before. I'm guessing too much training at too fast of a pace. I'd like to run a BQ'er (3:25), I've run a half at that pace. I've never trained with any kind of heart rate monitor but I'm wondering if I should. Is it too late to start doing it for Chicago? Any thoughts?

Thanks


What were your times at Chicago '11 and Fox Valley?
2013-08-06 9:53 AM
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Originally posted by mr2tony Kicked out about 14.5 miles on the lakefront trail in just under two hours Saturday with a buddy of mine. He's a bamf -- hasn't run more than like 5 miles in the past year or more and kicked out two hours with me for fun. Stopped to see some of his SWAT buddies along the trail and they asked us for a ride. As tempting as it was after about 13 miles, I declined and finished the last mile and a half. It would've been cool to be dropped off in the CPD SWATmobile, though.

I hate people like that. I have a cousin who runs irregularly and never trains, then she goes out and gets age group wins without even trying. Meanwhile, I'm over here sacrificing my social life just to finish!

You should ask your buddy if he has access to those black tanks they were using for NATO. Those were also b-a. 



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They were terrible because for Chicago I ran with a pulled hamstring (5:30) and Fox Valley with a pulled achilles (4:40). Before Fox Valley I did my final 22 mile long run at a 8:10 pace.

So part of my problem is that I just don't feel like I can run slow, whenever I head out on a run my first mile is my fastest and its usually sub 7:30. I went out this morning with the intention of being conscious of my pace and ran an 8:22. I kept an eye on my HR and it stayed in the 150's where normally it would probably be in the 180's. I did an easy 6 miles and averaged 8:27 and I felt great afterwards. HR peaked at 197 for a short while on a pretty good hill where I kept my pace the same as on the flat. Once it leveled out the HR came back down.

So I guess I'll try the HR training and change my Chicago goal to just run a healthy marathon and worry next year about BQ'ing.
2013-08-07 9:55 AM
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Originally posted by rgarcia1501 They were terrible because for Chicago I ran with a pulled hamstring (5:30) and Fox Valley with a pulled achilles (4:40). Before Fox Valley I did my final 22 mile long run at a 8:10 pace. So part of my problem is that I just don't feel like I can run slow, whenever I head out on a run my first mile is my fastest and its usually sub 7:30. I went out this morning with the intention of being conscious of my pace and ran an 8:22. I kept an eye on my HR and it stayed in the 150's where normally it would probably be in the 180's. I did an easy 6 miles and averaged 8:27 and I felt great afterwards. HR peaked at 197 for a short while on a pretty good hill where I kept my pace the same as on the flat. Once it leveled out the HR came back down. So I guess I'll try the HR training and change my Chicago goal to just run a healthy marathon and worry next year about BQ'ing.

If you have the disposable income, CARA pace groups are just awesome. I know it's super late in the game, but having someone else do all the pace work for you is pretty rad. 

That said, you are on a TOTALLY different level then me so that may or may not be a helpful suggestion!

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Originally posted by rgarcia1501

They were terrible because for Chicago I ran with a pulled hamstring (5:30) and Fox Valley with a pulled achilles (4:40). Before Fox Valley I did my final 22 mile long run at a 8:10 pace.

So part of my problem is that I just don't feel like I can run slow, whenever I head out on a run my first mile is my fastest and its usually sub 7:30. I went out this morning with the intention of being conscious of my pace and ran an 8:22. I kept an eye on my HR and it stayed in the 150's where normally it would probably be in the 180's. I did an easy 6 miles and averaged 8:27 and I felt great afterwards. HR peaked at 197 for a short while on a pretty good hill where I kept my pace the same as on the flat. Once it leveled out the HR came back down.

So I guess I'll try the HR training and change my Chicago goal to just run a healthy marathon and worry next year about BQ'ing.


Yeah I don't know that I'd go for a BQ right now. I'd try to finish at least one healthy before attempting to go fast. Once you get one or a few under your belt then start doing speed work. And Chicago may not be the BQ race because it's so crowded!

2013-08-07 11:12 AM
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So apparently this is the week that we start craving peanut butter MnMs? 
2013-08-07 2:03 PM
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So apparently this is the week that we start craving peanut butter MnMs? 


I've had that craving forever. It never goes away.


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Has not been a good week for me on the run. Bought some new Zoot triathlon shoes, since they were on closeout, seemed cool and light, and easy to deal with in transition, and are designed to be to be use sockless . . .

So, my heel blisters are almost healed, and thanks to some copious lube, gauze, and athletic tape, I was able get a set of intervals done this morning without a problem.

I'm pretty sure that was my first and last run without socks. If I ever miss a podium by 30 seconds, at least I'll have feet without blisters.
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I have AG Sprint Nationals this Sunday. After finishing DFL I shall try to find time to run another 10.
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15 miles is in the books for me. The run went pretty well, no major nutrition issues or anything. 

I'm having some pain in the area where the Achilles meets the heel, but I'm pretty sure it's not the achilles; thinking it's one of the flexors around there; there are a few points that are very tender to the touch. Gonna try to stay off it for the next 2 days, just a lot of ice and self massage, before doing 4 on Tuesday. 



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2013-08-19 6:38 AM
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15 for me on Saturday, and a 100 mile bike ride yesterday. Don't feel too bad.
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