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![]() Originally posted by pitt83 Why ESPN feels empowered to invent a new stat befuddles me. They weigh running ability, time on the clock,etc in that number. Complete crap. QBR is far from a perfect stat, but it has some use to tell part of a story that isn't told by other stats. I mean, if your QB goes 4 for 12 for 38 yards and 1 pick, but also rushes for 230 yards and 3 TDs...is he a crappy QB and going to be cut on Monday? QBs are allowed to run aren't they? And do we not judge QBs with more of a microscope in the 4th quarter or in games that are close rather than how we judge them in the 1st quarter, or when the game is a blowout? QB1 has a situation...3rd and 22 on his own 20 yard line. It's the first quarter, still a 0-0 game. Defense is obviously playing soft. QB dinks a screen pass behind the line of scrimmage, and the running back runs for an 18 yard gain, but short of the first down resulting in a punt. QB2 has a situation...3rd and 7 on the opponent 45 yard line. It's the fourth quarter, 2 minutes left in a tie game and out of FG range. It's a clear passing down, and the defense is specifically guarding the first down line.QB throws a quick slant where the receiver is immediately downed after a 9 yard gain, putting the team in FG range, or at the worst, in a position where they don't have to punt to the other team with time on the clock. Which pass is more significant? Every other stat will tell you that the 18 yard screen pass is better than a 9 yard slant despite the obvious differences in how each play impacts the outcome of the game. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Jason N Originally posted by pitt83 Why ESPN feels empowered to invent a new stat befuddles me. They weigh running ability, time on the clock,etc in that number. Complete crap. QBR is far from a perfect stat, but it has some use to tell part of a story that isn't told by other stats. I mean, if your QB goes 4 for 12 for 38 yards and 1 pick, but also rushes for 230 yards and 3 TDs...is he a crappy QB and going to be cut on Monday? QBs are allowed to run aren't they? And do we not judge QBs with more of a microscope in the 4th quarter or in games that are close rather than how we judge them in the 1st quarter, or when the game is a blowout? QB1 has a situation...3rd and 22 on his own 20 yard line. It's the first quarter, still a 0-0 game. Defense is obviously playing soft. QB dinks a screen pass behind the line of scrimmage, and the running back runs for an 18 yard gain, but short of the first down resulting in a punt. QB2 has a situation...3rd and 7 on the opponent 45 yard line. It's the fourth quarter, 2 minutes left in a tie game and out of FG range. It's a clear passing down, and the defense is specifically guarding the first down line.QB throws a quick slant where the receiver is immediately downed after a 9 yard gain, putting the team in FG range, or at the worst, in a position where they don't have to punt to the other team with time on the clock. Which pass is more significant? Every other stat will tell you that the 18 yard screen pass is better than a 9 yard slant despite the obvious differences in how each play impacts the outcome of the game. The biggest problem with QBR, is the amount of weight put on sacks taken. If a QB has a sieve for an Oline, why should that affect his QBR? If it distinguished between sacks like 3+ seconds or something it might provide more insight. Even that doesn't help for mobile QB's like Wilson/Kaepernick/Roethlisberger who hold the ball longer because they are trying to avoid sacks and make a play. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by JoshR Originally posted by Jason N The biggest problem with QBR, is the amount of weight put on sacks taken. If a QB has a sieve for an Oline, why should that affect his QBR? If it distinguished between sacks like 3+ seconds or something it might provide more insight. Even that doesn't help for mobile QB's like Wilson/Kaepernick/Roethlisberger who hold the ball longer because they are trying to avoid sacks and make a play. Originally posted by pitt83 Why ESPN feels empowered to invent a new stat befuddles me. They weigh running ability, time on the clock,etc in that number. Complete crap. QBR is far from a perfect stat, but it has some use to tell part of a story that isn't told by other stats. I mean, if your QB goes 4 for 12 for 38 yards and 1 pick, but also rushes for 230 yards and 3 TDs...is he a crappy QB and going to be cut on Monday? QBs are allowed to run aren't they? And do we not judge QBs with more of a microscope in the 4th quarter or in games that are close rather than how we judge them in the 1st quarter, or when the game is a blowout? QB1 has a situation...3rd and 22 on his own 20 yard line. It's the first quarter, still a 0-0 game. Defense is obviously playing soft. QB dinks a screen pass behind the line of scrimmage, and the running back runs for an 18 yard gain, but short of the first down resulting in a punt. QB2 has a situation...3rd and 7 on the opponent 45 yard line. It's the fourth quarter, 2 minutes left in a tie game and out of FG range. It's a clear passing down, and the defense is specifically guarding the first down line.QB throws a quick slant where the receiver is immediately downed after a 9 yard gain, putting the team in FG range, or at the worst, in a position where they don't have to punt to the other team with time on the clock. Which pass is more significant? Every other stat will tell you that the 18 yard screen pass is better than a 9 yard slant despite the obvious differences in how each play impacts the outcome of the game.
And sometimes QBs take sacks due to poor decision making. Is it the o-lines fault if he should have gotten rid of it when he had the chance. It's just another number to talk about. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by powerman Originally posted by JoshR Originally posted by Jason N The biggest problem with QBR, is the amount of weight put on sacks taken. If a QB has a sieve for an Oline, why should that affect his QBR? If it distinguished between sacks like 3+ seconds or something it might provide more insight. Even that doesn't help for mobile QB's like Wilson/Kaepernick/Roethlisberger who hold the ball longer because they are trying to avoid sacks and make a play. Originally posted by pitt83 Why ESPN feels empowered to invent a new stat befuddles me. They weigh running ability, time on the clock,etc in that number. Complete crap. QBR is far from a perfect stat, but it has some use to tell part of a story that isn't told by other stats. I mean, if your QB goes 4 for 12 for 38 yards and 1 pick, but also rushes for 230 yards and 3 TDs...is he a crappy QB and going to be cut on Monday? QBs are allowed to run aren't they? And do we not judge QBs with more of a microscope in the 4th quarter or in games that are close rather than how we judge them in the 1st quarter, or when the game is a blowout? QB1 has a situation...3rd and 22 on his own 20 yard line. It's the first quarter, still a 0-0 game. Defense is obviously playing soft. QB dinks a screen pass behind the line of scrimmage, and the running back runs for an 18 yard gain, but short of the first down resulting in a punt. QB2 has a situation...3rd and 7 on the opponent 45 yard line. It's the fourth quarter, 2 minutes left in a tie game and out of FG range. It's a clear passing down, and the defense is specifically guarding the first down line.QB throws a quick slant where the receiver is immediately downed after a 9 yard gain, putting the team in FG range, or at the worst, in a position where they don't have to punt to the other team with time on the clock. Which pass is more significant? Every other stat will tell you that the 18 yard screen pass is better than a 9 yard slant despite the obvious differences in how each play impacts the outcome of the game.
And sometimes QBs take sacks due to poor decision making. Is it the o-lines fault if he should have gotten rid of it when he had the chance. It's just another number to talk about. But QBR doesn't distinguish between those. Can you really penalize David Carr for being sacked 76 times in 2002? Rodgers 51 times in 2012? During the middle of the season, the Seahawks were starting their LG at LT, backup LG, backup C, Starting RG and rookie 7th rd backup RT. Why should Wilson be penalized for that? |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by JoshR Originally posted by powerman But QBR doesn't distinguish between those. Can you really penalize David Carr for being sacked 76 times in 2002? Rodgers 51 times in 2012? During the middle of the season, the Seahawks were starting their LG at LT, backup LG, backup C, Starting RG and rookie 7th rd backup RT. Why should Wilson be penalized for that? Originally posted by JoshR Originally posted by Jason N The biggest problem with QBR, is the amount of weight put on sacks taken. If a QB has a sieve for an Oline, why should that affect his QBR? If it distinguished between sacks like 3+ seconds or something it might provide more insight. Even that doesn't help for mobile QB's like Wilson/Kaepernick/Roethlisberger who hold the ball longer because they are trying to avoid sacks and make a play. Originally posted by pitt83 Why ESPN feels empowered to invent a new stat befuddles me. They weigh running ability, time on the clock,etc in that number. Complete crap. QBR is far from a perfect stat, but it has some use to tell part of a story that isn't told by other stats. I mean, if your QB goes 4 for 12 for 38 yards and 1 pick, but also rushes for 230 yards and 3 TDs...is he a crappy QB and going to be cut on Monday? QBs are allowed to run aren't they? And do we not judge QBs with more of a microscope in the 4th quarter or in games that are close rather than how we judge them in the 1st quarter, or when the game is a blowout? QB1 has a situation...3rd and 22 on his own 20 yard line. It's the first quarter, still a 0-0 game. Defense is obviously playing soft. QB dinks a screen pass behind the line of scrimmage, and the running back runs for an 18 yard gain, but short of the first down resulting in a punt. QB2 has a situation...3rd and 7 on the opponent 45 yard line. It's the fourth quarter, 2 minutes left in a tie game and out of FG range. It's a clear passing down, and the defense is specifically guarding the first down line.QB throws a quick slant where the receiver is immediately downed after a 9 yard gain, putting the team in FG range, or at the worst, in a position where they don't have to punt to the other team with time on the clock. Which pass is more significant? Every other stat will tell you that the 18 yard screen pass is better than a 9 yard slant despite the obvious differences in how each play impacts the outcome of the game.
And sometimes QBs take sacks due to poor decision making. Is it the o-lines fault if he should have gotten rid of it when he had the chance. It's just another number to talk about. It's just a number Josh. Feel free to disregard. Here's a more important QB stat... since 2008, Peyton is 6-0 against teams he previously lost against and played again in the same season. Go Broncos! |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Speaking of QB's, does anyone else hate hearing Trent Dilfer analyze a game? I canl;t stand the Dilfer's Dimes segment. I always tune out SportsCenter when he comes on! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm on the fence about Dilfer. He was horrible qb so I always seem to take what he says with a grain of salt. I am watching what happens with Tebow to determine if Dilfer knows what he's talking about. He recently said that Tebow has completely transformed and would be an above average NFL QB. I'd like to see if it happens. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I can't wait until Sunday....Go Niners |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Just for more fun Top Rushing Games vs. San Francisco (Since 2010) Player/Team Yards Season Ahmad Bradshaw/N.Y. Giants 116 2012 Week 6 Lynch 111 2012 Week 16 Lynch 107 2011 Week 16 Lynch 103 2012 Week 7 Steven Jackson/St. Louis 101 2012 Week 10 Lynch 98 2013 Week 2 |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by JoshR Just for more fun Top Rushing Games vs. San Francisco (Since 2010) Player/Team Yards Season Ahmad Bradshaw/N.Y. Giants 116 2012 Week 6 Lynch 111 2012 Week 16 Lynch 107 2011 Week 16 Lynch 103 2012 Week 7 Steven Jackson/St. Louis 101 2012 Week 10 Lynch 98 2013 Week 2 You Seattle fans make me laugh. If a Niners fan jokes about "how many rings do you have?" Seattle jumps up with "that's history" blah blah blah. Then they turn it around with old stats themselves. Yesterday doesn't matter at all, only Sunday matters. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by papson14 I'm on the fence about Dilfer. He was horrible qb so I always seem to take what he says with a grain of salt. I am watching what happens with Tebow to determine if Dilfer knows what he's talking about. He recently said that Tebow has completely transformed and would be an above average NFL QB. I'd like to see if it happens. I thought Dilfer was a sub-average player and I believe that's accurate. But, as an Alyssa; I think he's brilliant. He can break down film and really illustrate what's going on. But the "love Tim Tebow and adopt this pound puppy" segment was pathetic. Really lame. Edited by pitt83 2014-01-15 7:49 PM |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by papson14 Originally posted by JoshR Just for more fun Top Rushing Games vs. San Francisco (Since 2010) Player/Team Yards Season Ahmad Bradshaw/N.Y. Giants 116 2012 Week 6 Lynch 111 2012 Week 16 Lynch 107 2011 Week 16 Lynch 103 2012 Week 7 Steven Jackson/St. Louis 101 2012 Week 10 Lynch 98 2013 Week 2 You Seattle fans make me laugh. If a Niners fan jokes about "how many rings do you have?" Seattle jumps up with "that's history" blah blah blah. Then they turn it around with old stats themselves. Yesterday doesn't matter at all, only Sunday matters. That's because you guys bring up history some of the players on your team can't even recall, due to them being 2 or 3 years old. I'm pointing out things that the current players have accomplished. |
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Sensei ![]() | ![]() BOOYAH!!! <--------------------
However, I considered old school too... Edited by Kido 2014-01-16 6:02 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by jford2309 Originally posted by uclamatt2007 Originally posted by jford2309 Yep, Kaepernick is just a thug, like this guy. I just realized how much I am not a fan of the Niners this weekend. The Panthers-Niners game was "chippy" on both sides, but I really took a dislike to them more than usual. I thought Kaperpunk mocking Cam Newtons endzone xelebration was immature, but then once I saw the post game interview, it was what I expected. Kaperpunk in backwards hat, Beats headphones and hoodie=winning QB Newton in a nice three piece suit= losing QB I am not a fan of Newton necessarily, but he showed alot more class I thought.
Never said Thug, think it was immature and not classy Well, the immature and classless vest was sent to him by a 13 year old out of Southern California who has his own clothing line. I can't believe that he would do something like support a young entrepreneur. http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/style-points/201401/young-designer-... |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by papson14 I'm on the fence about Dilfer. He was horrible qb so I always seem to take what he says with a grain of salt. I am watching what happens with Tebow to determine if Dilfer knows what he's talking about. He recently said that Tebow has completely transformed and would be an above average NFL QB TE. I'd like to see if it happens. Fixt. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Kido BOOYAH!!! <--------------------
However, I considered old school too... I'm a Bronco fan, and I approve of this message. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by spudone Originally posted by papson14 I'm on the fence about Dilfer. He was horrible qb so I always seem to take what he says with a grain of salt. I am watching what happens with Tebow to determine if Dilfer knows what he's talking about. He recently said that Tebow has completely transformed and would be an above average NFL QB TE. I'd like to see if it happens. Fixt. Well what is super funny about that is Bilichick took a QB in Edelman and turned him into a wide receiver... but he cut Tebow. |
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![]() Originally posted by JoshR Originally posted by powerman But QBR doesn't distinguish between those. Can you really penalize David Carr for being sacked 76 times in 2002? Rodgers 51 times in 2012? During the middle of the season, the Seahawks were starting their LG at LT, backup LG, backup C, Starting RG and rookie 7th rd backup RT. Why should Wilson be penalized for that? Originally posted by JoshR Originally posted by Jason N The biggest problem with QBR, is the amount of weight put on sacks taken. If a QB has a sieve for an Oline, why should that affect his QBR? If it distinguished between sacks like 3+ seconds or something it might provide more insight. Even that doesn't help for mobile QB's like Wilson/Kaepernick/Roethlisberger who hold the ball longer because they are trying to avoid sacks and make a play. Originally posted by pitt83 Why ESPN feels empowered to invent a new stat befuddles me. They weigh running ability, time on the clock,etc in that number. Complete crap. QBR is far from a perfect stat, but it has some use to tell part of a story that isn't told by other stats. I mean, if your QB goes 4 for 12 for 38 yards and 1 pick, but also rushes for 230 yards and 3 TDs...is he a crappy QB and going to be cut on Monday? QBs are allowed to run aren't they? And do we not judge QBs with more of a microscope in the 4th quarter or in games that are close rather than how we judge them in the 1st quarter, or when the game is a blowout? QB1 has a situation...3rd and 22 on his own 20 yard line. It's the first quarter, still a 0-0 game. Defense is obviously playing soft. QB dinks a screen pass behind the line of scrimmage, and the running back runs for an 18 yard gain, but short of the first down resulting in a punt. QB2 has a situation...3rd and 7 on the opponent 45 yard line. It's the fourth quarter, 2 minutes left in a tie game and out of FG range. It's a clear passing down, and the defense is specifically guarding the first down line.QB throws a quick slant where the receiver is immediately downed after a 9 yard gain, putting the team in FG range, or at the worst, in a position where they don't have to punt to the other team with time on the clock. Which pass is more significant? Every other stat will tell you that the 18 yard screen pass is better than a 9 yard slant despite the obvious differences in how each play impacts the outcome of the game.
And sometimes QBs take sacks due to poor decision making. Is it the o-lines fault if he should have gotten rid of it when he had the chance. It's just another number to talk about. Like I said...it's far from a perfect stat. You can tear up any stat you want. Should a QB's TD pass still count if the defenseve player tipped it first and then a receiver caught it? |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Jason N Originally posted by JoshR Originally posted by powerman But QBR doesn't distinguish between those. Can you really penalize David Carr for being sacked 76 times in 2002? Rodgers 51 times in 2012? During the middle of the season, the Seahawks were starting their LG at LT, backup LG, backup C, Starting RG and rookie 7th rd backup RT. Why should Wilson be penalized for that? Originally posted by JoshR Originally posted by Jason N The biggest problem with QBR, is the amount of weight put on sacks taken. If a QB has a sieve for an Oline, why should that affect his QBR? If it distinguished between sacks like 3+ seconds or something it might provide more insight. Even that doesn't help for mobile QB's like Wilson/Kaepernick/Roethlisberger who hold the ball longer because they are trying to avoid sacks and make a play. Originally posted by pitt83 Why ESPN feels empowered to invent a new stat befuddles me. They weigh running ability, time on the clock,etc in that number. Complete crap. QBR is far from a perfect stat, but it has some use to tell part of a story that isn't told by other stats. I mean, if your QB goes 4 for 12 for 38 yards and 1 pick, but also rushes for 230 yards and 3 TDs...is he a crappy QB and going to be cut on Monday? QBs are allowed to run aren't they? And do we not judge QBs with more of a microscope in the 4th quarter or in games that are close rather than how we judge them in the 1st quarter, or when the game is a blowout? QB1 has a situation...3rd and 22 on his own 20 yard line. It's the first quarter, still a 0-0 game. Defense is obviously playing soft. QB dinks a screen pass behind the line of scrimmage, and the running back runs for an 18 yard gain, but short of the first down resulting in a punt. QB2 has a situation...3rd and 7 on the opponent 45 yard line. It's the fourth quarter, 2 minutes left in a tie game and out of FG range. It's a clear passing down, and the defense is specifically guarding the first down line.QB throws a quick slant where the receiver is immediately downed after a 9 yard gain, putting the team in FG range, or at the worst, in a position where they don't have to punt to the other team with time on the clock. Which pass is more significant? Every other stat will tell you that the 18 yard screen pass is better than a 9 yard slant despite the obvious differences in how each play impacts the outcome of the game.
And sometimes QBs take sacks due to poor decision making. Is it the o-lines fault if he should have gotten rid of it when he had the chance. It's just another number to talk about. Like I said...it's far from a perfect stat. You can tear up any stat you want. Should a QB's TD pass still count if the defenseve player tipped it first and then a receiver caught it? I think it's obvious there should be a whole new category just for Butt fumbles. Sanchez is now the career leader! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by JoshR Originally posted by papson14 Originally posted by JoshR Just for more fun Top Rushing Games vs. San Francisco (Since 2010) Player/Team Yards Season Ahmad Bradshaw/N.Y. Giants 116 2012 Week 6 Lynch 111 2012 Week 16 Lynch 107 2011 Week 16 Lynch 103 2012 Week 7 Steven Jackson/St. Louis 101 2012 Week 10 Lynch 98 2013 Week 2 You Seattle fans make me laugh. If a Niners fan jokes about "how many rings do you have?" Seattle jumps up with "that's history" blah blah blah. Then they turn it around with old stats themselves. Yesterday doesn't matter at all, only Sunday matters. That's because you guys bring up history some of the players on your team can't even recall, due to them being 2 or 3 years old. I'm pointing out things that the current players have accomplished. Not surprised that 'Hawks fans are up to date on recent history, you know, since no one was a fan until the last three years. They'd talk about history too, if there was anything to talk about. Should be a good game, but I have found only a few 'Hawk fans that actually think anything other than a beat down is going to happen. Good luck. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by papson14 Originally posted by JoshR Originally posted by papson14 Originally posted by JoshR Just for more fun Top Rushing Games vs. San Francisco (Since 2010) Player/Team Yards Season Ahmad Bradshaw/N.Y. Giants 116 2012 Week 6 Lynch 111 2012 Week 16 Lynch 107 2011 Week 16 Lynch 103 2012 Week 7 Steven Jackson/St. Louis 101 2012 Week 10 Lynch 98 2013 Week 2 You Seattle fans make me laugh. If a Niners fan jokes about "how many rings do you have?" Seattle jumps up with "that's history" blah blah blah. Then they turn it around with old stats themselves. Yesterday doesn't matter at all, only Sunday matters. That's because you guys bring up history some of the players on your team can't even recall, due to them being 2 or 3 years old. I'm pointing out things that the current players have accomplished. Not surprised that 'Hawks fans are up to date on recent history, you know, since no one was a fan until the last three years. They'd talk about history too, if there was anything to talk about. Should be a good game, but I have found only a few 'Hawk fans that actually think anything other than a beat down is going to happen. Good luck. I expect a close game. It's funny too because I didn't know SF fans existed before Harbaugh showed up. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Josh come on. 49ers have had a huge fan base for a long time. Seahawks not so much. I know I've been a 49ers and SF Giants fan since birth. So yeah. As for crazy Seattle turkey fans, what are you talking about? http://t.foxsports.msn.com/nfl/seahawks-fan-gets-super-bowl-champs-... |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by bradword Josh come on. 49ers have had a huge fan base for a long time. Seahawks not so much. I know I've been a 49ers and SF Giants fan since birth. So yeah. As for crazy Seattle turkey fans, what are you talking about? http://t.foxsports.msn.com/nfl/seahawks-fan-gets-super-bowl-champs-... I never cared about SF before 2002 when the Seahawks moved to the NFC West. I never heard from any SF fans up until 2011. Also that person may or may not be me ![]() |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by bradword Josh come on. 49ers have had a huge fan base for a long time. Seahawks not so much. I know I've been a 49ers and SF Giants fan since birth. So yeah. As for crazy Seattle turkey fans, what are you talking about? http://t.foxsports.msn.com/nfl/seahawks-fan-gets-super-bowl-champs-... I never cared about SF before 2002 when the Seahawks moved to the NFC West. I never heard from any SF fans up until 2011. Also that person may or may not be me ![]() |
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