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KansasMom - 2013-02-19 12:59 PM Did a last minute race this evening. 3rd woman. Don't be too impressed, it was not a strong field. But still.

Another manatee podium - maybe i'll win this stoopid IM.

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Question! Registration for the Chicago marathon opens up tomorrow.  Do you think a two month ramp-up period is enough once I finish my summer tris (or can I still do tris while training for a mary)?  If I maintain 13-15 mile long runs through the summer after my April HM, will that work?  

It just hit me that I might be able to make this work financially...

You asked for it

DO EEEEEEEEEET!

X2... I'm guessing you already knew the answer to your question before you hit "submit"  

It's true. Although I'm not asking so much whether to do it or not, but about the run ramp up.  

I guess there's no reason why I can't keep building all summer long towards the marathon.  It just seems like marathon plans have extra days of running, and if I'm focusing on tris, I'll be running three days a week, and not four or five like the marathon plans recommend.  Once I hit August I can add in another running day or two.  Although it dawned on me that an IM plan prob has three days of running, and that's it's not too far out to do it that way.

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So Yanti, do I get extra credit for the early submission on the homework?

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The last pic is all manatee backs, there must have been over 100 of them.

2013-02-19 6:20 AM
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Janyne, you had asked about trail races in the area. I have done 2 this season, and there are a few other options. Unfortunately, they are at least an hour and a half away, most in the Thonotosassa area. I am a bit spoiled in that most every race I have done is within 30 minutes of the house. I wish I could train up there, there are some real pretty parks. But, I'll take what I can get, I do live in a beautiful area so I really can't complain. Where else is 33 degrees considered awfully cold?
2013-02-19 7:58 AM
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jobaxas - 2013-02-18 5:23 PM

THE HOUSEPEST FOUND A HOUSE!

She won't move out until April but at least she's got somewhere to go.  I had visions of hubby and triplets descending on my already crowded abode.

Now I know she's going I'm feeling great!  The house is about 500yds from ours!  Artemis is delighted.  SIL has 6 year old triplets two boys and one girl, Artemis and little Dimitra are gonna be best friends I'm sure!  It's nice for her....and DH will be occupied a lot with his family so I get to do a lot more of what i want - training, travelling to watch/compete/stalk at races!

Now just get this silly IM out of the way and life will be perfect!

This is great news!  It must be a relief to know about when she'll be out of your place.  Woo hoo!

2013-02-19 8:04 AM
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StaceyK - 2013-02-18 6:50 PM Hey Jo just had an idea that might kind of help (or maybe not cause my psyc degree came from the weet-bix box).Get a photo of you on your bike from your HIM, even pay Marathon photos $50 for it if you have to, and make multiple copies of it, I'm talking a dozen or so. Then sick them up everywhere, on your fridge, on your toilet door on your bathroom mirror, at your desk at work, in your car, everywhere. Every time you see the photo say out loud(like you mean it) "I can ride a bike, no sweat!"the theory behind this sort of thing is that the constant exposure and positive comment helps to re-enforce the sub conscience and over ride the fear.

This is an awesome idea!  Amazing work Stacey!

Jo, let us know when the photos have been ordered. Wink



2013-02-19 8:09 AM
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jmkizer - 2013-02-19 9:04 AM

StaceyK - 2013-02-18 6:50 PM Hey Jo just had an idea that might kind of help (or maybe not cause my psyc degree came from the weet-bix box).Get a photo of you on your bike from your HIM, even pay Marathon photos $50 for it if you have to, and make multiple copies of it, I'm talking a dozen or so. Then sick them up everywhere, on your fridge, on your toilet door on your bathroom mirror, at your desk at work, in your car, everywhere. Every time you see the photo say out loud(like you mean it) "I can ride a bike, no sweat!"the theory behind this sort of thing is that the constant exposure and positive comment helps to re-enforce the sub conscience and over ride the fear.

This is an awesome idea!  Amazing work Stacey!

Jo, let us know when the photos have been ordered. Wink

X2 on the positive re-enforcement!!!!

2013-02-19 8:11 AM
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Muskrat37 - 2013-02-18 8:41 PM

Ok Podmates, need some help.  

I just sprung for the Gold package so I could customize a training plan.  

I have been running a lot this winter... Was up to 35 miles per week.  The last 2 weeks I have done almost no running.  I'm comfortable running 25 mpw with my long being 8-9 miles to start back up.  

The issue I have right now is that I have approximately 27 weeks until my IM.  I put 26 weeks into the custom plan creator (figured I would start this Sunday) and the plan starts me out with way to much biking and way to little running for my current fitness level

I'd be tempted to start your run at slightly below your current fitness level and ramp up the bike fairly aggressively until you are on track with the plan.  Remember that IM training is about balance and you will need to get into IM balance at some point. That being said, I won't begin serious IM focus for B2B until more like 12 weeks out.

What are your thoughts?

2013-02-19 8:13 AM
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KansasMom - 2013-02-18 8:59 PM Did a last minute race this evening. 3rd woman. Don't be too impressed, it was not a strong field. But still.

Congratulations!  Woo hoo! po-di-um!

2013-02-19 8:19 AM
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ponderingfox - 2013-02-18 9:49 PM

Question! Registration for the Chicago marathon opens up tomorrow.  Do you think a two month ramp-up period is enough once I finish my summer tris (or can I still do tris while training for a mary)?  If I maintain 13-15 mile long runs through the summer after my April HM, will that work?  

It just hit me that I might be able to make this work financially...

You know the Manatee Mantra!

Seriously, though, it looks like your last tri is a sprint on August 21.   You'll need to increase your run mileage before the August sprint and overlap your tri and marathon plans but as long as you do that and don't try do do your entire mileage increase after the sprint, I think that you will be fine.  It will be fun!

2013-02-19 8:47 AM
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cdban66 - 2013-02-19 7:20 AM Janyne, you had asked about trail races in the area. I have done 2 this season, and there are a few other options. Unfortunately, they are at least an hour and a half away, most in the Thonotosassa area. I am a bit spoiled in that most every race I have done is within 30 minutes of the house. I wish I could train up there, there are some real pretty parks. But, I'll take what I can get, I do live in a beautiful area so I really can't complain. Where else is 33 degrees considered awfully cold?

Pfft.  A bit hard to train on them regularly then. 



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jobaxas - 2013-02-18 5:23 PM

THE HOUSEPEST FOUND A HOUSE!

She won't move out until April but at least she's got somewhere to go.  I had visions of hubby and triplets descending on my already crowded abode.

Now I know she's going I'm feeling great!  The house is about 500yds from ours!  Artemis is delighted.  SIL has 6 year old triplets two boys and one girl, Artemis and little Dimitra are gonna be best friends I'm sure!  It's nice for her....and DH will be occupied a lot with his family so I get to do a lot more of what i want - training, travelling to watch/compete/stalk at races!

Now just get this silly IM out of the way and life will be perfect!

(Cheering loudly) that's great news, Jo, YAY!!!!

2013-02-19 9:24 AM
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jmkizer - 2013-02-19 9:47 AM

cdban66 - 2013-02-19 7:20 AM Janyne, you had asked about trail races in the area. I have done 2 this season, and there are a few other options. Unfortunately, they are at least an hour and a half away, most in the Thonotosassa area. I am a bit spoiled in that most every race I have done is within 30 minutes of the house. I wish I could train up there, there are some real pretty parks. But, I'll take what I can get, I do live in a beautiful area so I really can't complain. Where else is 33 degrees considered awfully cold?

Pfft.  A bit hard to train on them regularly then. 

I have a few trails in the area, but the difference is night and day. Oh well, they are nicer than what is available in many places, so I'll take it. But your point is well taken. 

2013-02-19 10:24 AM
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ponderingfox - 2013-02-19 3:07 AM
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jobaxas - 2013-02-18 7:03 PM
ponderingfox - 2013-02-19 1:49 PM

Question! Registration for the Chicago marathon opens up tomorrow.  Do you think a two month ramp-up period is enough once I finish my summer tris (or can I still do tris while training for a mary)?  If I maintain 13-15 mile long runs through the summer after my April HM, will that work?  

It just hit me that I might be able to make this work financially...

You asked for it

DO EEEEEEEEEET!

X2... I'm guessing you already knew the answer to your question before you hit "submit"  

It's true. Although I'm not asking so much whether to do it or not, but about the run ramp up.  

I guess there's no reason why I can't keep building all summer long towards the marathon.  It just seems like marathon plans have extra days of running, and if I'm focusing on tris, I'll be running three days a week, and not four or five like the marathon plans recommend.  Once I hit August I can add in another running day or two.  Although it dawned on me that an IM plan prob has three days of running, and that's it's not too far out to do it that way.

You are right.  My opinion is that if you are at 13-15 mile long runs from tri training, and then you have 2 months of ramp up (assuming you are not doing an IM that will require a month of recovery), then I would say that is plenty of time.  

I would probably nix the doing tri's while Marathon training. Unless you have incredible control and are doing them for "fun", thereby not requiring any recovery at all.  It is my experience that when I get in race mode, and the adrenaline kicks in, I can't "slow" down, even if I'm not trying to win it.  I always try to beat my own personal times, or my own goals and this means I have to recover for a few days after any race, of any distance.  I would suspect a few days of recovery would throw off your marathon training.  

That's my 2 cents.... keep in mind, I am an aspiring coach and not actually a coach yet.

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cdban66 - 2013-02-19 4:07 AM

So Yanti, do I get extra credit for the early submission on the homework?

Manatee Viewing Area

The last pic is all manatee backs, there must have been over 100 of them.

This is really cool.  Do they let you swim with them?  



2013-02-19 10:31 AM
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Muskrat37 - 2013-02-18 8:41 PM

Ok Podmates, need some help.  

I just sprung for the Gold package so I could customize a training plan.  

I have been running a lot this winter... Was up to 35 miles per week.  The last 2 weeks I have done almost no running.  I'm comfortable running 25 mpw with my long being 8-9 miles to start back up.  

The issue I have right now is that I have approximately 27 weeks until my IM.  I put 26 weeks into the custom plan creator (figured I would start this Sunday) and the plan starts me out with way to much biking and way to little running for my current fitness level

I'd be tempted to start your run at slightly below your current fitness level and ramp up the bike fairly aggressively until you are on track with the plan.  Remember that IM training is about balance and you will need to get into IM balance at some point. That being said, I won't begin serious IM focus for B2B until more like 12 weeks out.

What are your thoughts?

I like what you are saying.  I have a 1/2 marathon (that I forgot about) in 3 weeks.  Going to keep my mileage fairly consistent with what I've been doing, and throw in the bike / swims starting next week.  I will ease into them.  Since I have wicked awesome legs I suspect my bike fitness will return fairly quickly.  

Serious IM focus 12 weeks out?  Is that enough time?  Of course, I don't know your fitness level, experience level etc.... Considering most IM plans have a 2-3 week taper, I would suspect a minimum of 16 weeks would be necessary and 20 weeks more comfortable (for me at least).   

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2013-02-19 10:41 AM
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Muskrat37 - 2013-02-19 11:31 AM
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Muskrat37 - 2013-02-18 8:41 PM

Ok Podmates, need some help.  

I just sprung for the Gold package so I could customize a training plan.  

I have been running a lot this winter... Was up to 35 miles per week.  The last 2 weeks I have done almost no running.  I'm comfortable running 25 mpw with my long being 8-9 miles to start back up.  

The issue I have right now is that I have approximately 27 weeks until my IM.  I put 26 weeks into the custom plan creator (figured I would start this Sunday) and the plan starts me out with way to much biking and way to little running for my current fitness level

I'd be tempted to start your run at slightly below your current fitness level and ramp up the bike fairly aggressively until you are on track with the plan.  Remember that IM training is about balance and you will need to get into IM balance at some point. That being said, I won't begin serious IM focus for B2B until more like 12 weeks out.

What are your thoughts?

I like what you are saying.  I have a 1/2 marathon (that I forgot about) in 3 weeks.  Going to keep my mileage fairly consistent with what I've been doing, and throw in the bike / swims starting next week.  I will ease into them.  Since I have wicked awesome legs I suspect my bike fitness will return fairly quickly.  

Serious IM focus 12 weeks out?  Is that enough time?  Of course, I don't know your fitness level, experience level etc.... Considering most IM plans have a 2-3 week taper, I would suspect a minimum of 16 weeks would be necessary and 20 weeks more comfortable (for me at least).   

12 weeks is when things get really serious. It's just regular build stuff until then. 

Ok, so I looked back at my logs and I was at up to 10 hours at about 16 weeks and then 10-12 hours for a month and then the meaty part of IM training. That's the focus part I guess.

2013-02-19 11:22 AM
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Good morning Manatees! I kept up with the Manatee chatter over the weekend, via email, but haven't read the RRs yet. Looking forward to reading those!

My weekend was pretty good, considering. I got my training sessions in, in spite of having housepests. Even the visit went better than I anticipated. Maybe the fact that I did a 3 hour bike ride while they went site-seeing was part of the reason it went well Wink

Now that I am back to the work week I need to figure out how to get my swim session done tomorrow! I have to be at work early so my normal Wednesday routine won't work. Getting to the pool earlier isn't really an option as the lanes are full from 4:30 to 5:00 (it looks like a scene from "Cocoon"). I can't swim after work because Wednesday is small group. So my options are 1) go straight from the pool to work, but I worry about having everything I need for work and swim, and I don't like to leave the dogs locked up that long, or 2) re-arrange the session with Thursday's bike or run but the locker room is closed this Thursday morning and I don't know how crowded the pool is in the afternoon or 3) skip the swim session Yell

Happy Tuesday (Wednesday) all!

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4agoodlife - 2013-02-19 10:41 AM

A few pics from our SD vacay. You'll see why I enjoyed so much!

Super cute!! My bro and sis and I got around via beach cruisers while we were there about 98% of the time. I think I could live in SD ...



2013-02-19 11:34 AM
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Good morning Manatees! I kept up with the Manatee chatter over the weekend, via email, but haven't read the RRs yet. Looking forward to reading those!

My weekend was pretty good, considering. I got my training sessions in, in spite of having housepests. Even the visit went better than I anticipated. Maybe the fact that I did a 3 hour bike ride while they went site-seeing was part of the reason it went well Wink

Now that I am back to the work week I need to figure out how to get my swim session done tomorrow! I have to be at work early so my normal Wednesday routine won't work. Getting to the pool earlier isn't really an option as the lanes are full from 4:30 to 5:00 (it looks like a scene from "Cocoon"). I can't swim after work because Wednesday is small group. So my options are 1) go straight from the pool to work, but I worry about having everything I need for work and swim, and I don't like to leave the dogs locked up that long, or 2) re-arrange the session with Thursday's bike or run but the locker room is closed this Thursday morning and I don't know how crowded the pool is in the afternoon or 3) skip the swim session Yell

Happy Tuesday (Wednesday) all!

Glad the visit went well!

At least you have some options. Not that you are asking but I would go with option 1. Just make a check list. Don't skip!

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ponderingfox - 2013-02-19 1:49 PM

Question! Registration for the Chicago marathon opens up tomorrow.  Do you think a two month ramp-up period is enough once I finish my summer tris (or can I still do tris while training for a mary)?  If I maintain 13-15 mile long runs through the summer after my April HM, will that work?  

It just hit me that I might be able to make this work financially...

You asked for it

DO EEEEEEEEEET!

X2... I'm guessing you already knew the answer to your question before you hit "submit"  

It's true. Although I'm not asking so much whether to do it or not, but about the run ramp up.  

I guess there's no reason why I can't keep building all summer long towards the marathon.  It just seems like marathon plans have extra days of running, and if I'm focusing on tris, I'll be running three days a week, and not four or five like the marathon plans recommend.  Once I hit August I can add in another running day or two.  Although it dawned on me that an IM plan prob has three days of running, and that's it's not too far out to do it that way.

You are right.  My opinion is that if you are at 13-15 mile long runs from tri training, and then you have 2 months of ramp up (assuming you are not doing an IM that will require a month of recovery), then I would say that is plenty of time.  

I would probably nix the doing tri's while Marathon training. Unless you have incredible control and are doing them for "fun", thereby not requiring any recovery at all.  It is my experience that when I get in race mode, and the adrenaline kicks in, I can't "slow" down, even if I'm not trying to win it.  I always try to beat my own personal times, or my own goals and this means I have to recover for a few days after any race, of any distance.  I would suspect a few days of recovery would throw off your marathon training.  

That's my 2 cents.... keep in mind, I am an aspiring coach and not actually a coach yet.

The Olympic distance race is my final serious race.  The last one is for fun.  I was taking a look at Higdon's plans, and I think there's enough time to make the switch over.  I'll probably have to drop cycling after July, which is a bummer, but hey, a marathon is a cool goal (so much for riding another century this fall, I guess).

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cdban66 - 2013-02-19 4:07 AM

So Yanti, do I get extra credit for the early submission on the homework?

Manatee Viewing Area

The last pic is all manatee backs, there must have been over 100 of them.

This is really cool.  Do they let you swim with them?  

Nope, it is just an area near the power plant where the water that runs off is real warm. Most of them are visibly scarred from boat props, so we are encouraged to leave them be. It is a pretty cool use for something that just kinda happened/ And it is one that the manatees have taken advantage of. They don't fare well in cold water, and many would perish if they were elsewhere.

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ponderingfox - 2013-02-19 1:49 PM

Question! Registration for the Chicago marathon opens up tomorrow.  Do you think a two month ramp-up period is enough once I finish my summer tris (or can I still do tris while training for a mary)?  If I maintain 13-15 mile long runs through the summer after my April HM, will that work?  

It just hit me that I might be able to make this work financially...

You asked for it

DO EEEEEEEEEET!

X2... I'm guessing you already knew the answer to your question before you hit "submit"  

It's true. Although I'm not asking so much whether to do it or not, but about the run ramp up.  

I guess there's no reason why I can't keep building all summer long towards the marathon.  It just seems like marathon plans have extra days of running, and if I'm focusing on tris, I'll be running three days a week, and not four or five like the marathon plans recommend.  Once I hit August I can add in another running day or two.  Although it dawned on me that an IM plan prob has three days of running, and that's it's not too far out to do it that way.

You are right.  My opinion is that if you are at 13-15 mile long runs from tri training, and then you have 2 months of ramp up (assuming you are not doing an IM that will require a month of recovery), then I would say that is plenty of time.  

I would probably nix the doing tri's while Marathon training. Unless you have incredible control and are doing them for "fun", thereby not requiring any recovery at all.  It is my experience that when I get in race mode, and the adrenaline kicks in, I can't "slow" down, even if I'm not trying to win it.  I always try to beat my own personal times, or my own goals and this means I have to recover for a few days after any race, of any distance.  I would suspect a few days of recovery would throw off your marathon training.  

That's my 2 cents.... keep in mind, I am an aspiring coach and not actually a coach yet.

The Olympic distance race is my final serious race.  The last one is for fun.  I was taking a look at Higdon's plans, and I think there's enough time to make the switch over.  I'll probably have to drop cycling after July, which is a bummer, but hey, a marathon is a cool goal (so much for riding another century this fall, I guess).

Hmmmm, is there a reason you want to run that specific marathon? Oh wait, you said it's Chicago, huh? That's on my list too ... Sorry, typing aloud haha

I think you can totally do it but I'm not sure that you are setting yourself up for a solid training cycle. The last 8 weeks of training is one half SERIOUS stuff (the peak) and then the other half is taper. 

If I were you, I would look at a few marathon plans and see if you can keep up with the weekly mileage during tri training.  Of course you will want to decide what are your "A" races and what are your "B" races so that if you have to make a choice during training it's more or less pre-determined. 

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