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2012-05-07 8:33 AM in reply to: #4123621 |
Extreme Veteran 678 Rome, NY | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED Great weekend of training Friday - Hamtrek Sprint Saturday 4hr ride followed by 3 mile run Sunday 1:35 run and 1 Hr Ride |
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2012-05-07 9:04 AM in reply to: #4123621 |
Expert 1121 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED Kelly, sorry to hear that. I am in no position to be giving advice to you Kelly, other than I beleive you've told us all to race our own race (for the most part) and not worry about others, and everything will fall into place based on the training we've put in. Obviously things can happen during the race that prevent having a perfect race. You're an amazing athlete Kelly, with a huge commitment to the sport, don't let "cheaters" affect your race! You're better than that |
2012-05-07 9:06 AM in reply to: #4123621 |
Expert 1121 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED Michele, very impressive with your pace. You're getting faster!!! |
2012-05-07 9:25 AM in reply to: #4123621 |
Expert 1481 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED I don't get the mentality of cutting the course. I want to know how I measure up against it and how am I going to find that out if I only do a 1.1 mile swim, 53 mile bike and 12.9 mile run? Seems like a waste of time and money. Anyway it would get under my skin as well. |
2012-05-07 9:26 AM in reply to: #4194288 |
Extreme Veteran 3020 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED CubeFarmGopher - 2012-05-07 8:06 AM Kelly DNF'd her race yesterday. She came out of the water completely pissed about people cutting the course and, while she was on the bike, had issues with breathing. She said that, in order to hit her Z1 power/pace numbers, she was sitting in Z2/Z3 HR zones. Stress (work, training, me) has completely pancaked her and she decided to pull out after the first loop of the bike. Better to pack it in and save it for another day. It's absolutely better to save it for another day if you're having issues with breathing. That can be very serious (I have asthma, too). Don't beat yourself up about it, Kelly. Heal up your lungs and move on to the next race! |
2012-05-07 9:48 AM in reply to: #4193841 |
Master 1832 Elgin, IL | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED Great race! That is a great result! |
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2012-05-07 9:53 AM in reply to: #4123621 |
Extreme Veteran 863 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED Wow. Just wow. What is wrong with people. Cutting?? Kelly, you're a great athlete. You deserve a fair race. Heal your lungs so you can race a better race next time. I guess I won't be doing Bassman next year. Disappointed to hear the race wasn't run well. Edited by DDVMM 2012-05-07 9:58 AM |
2012-05-07 9:54 AM in reply to: #4194288 |
Master 1832 Elgin, IL | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED Kelly - sorry to hear about the race yesterday. I know you have been having breathing problems lately so this just adds to the frustration, but hopefully it will get better from here on out! As for the course cutters, you can't let that get to you .. like Rizer said, you have to run your own race, that is the only thing you can control. It would all of us off, and yes there are people out there that just want to be faster, even if that means cheating, but you are better than that. Be pissed, then brush it off, then move on ... NY is only a few months away and that is far more important! |
2012-05-07 3:37 PM in reply to: #4123621 |
Extreme Veteran 3020 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED I'm thinking of taking the TI open water swim clinic that's offered here in June. It's local, so I'll be swimming in Lake Erie. Obviously, it focuses on OWS technique. I feel like my OWS times don't reflect my swim ability at all, and all that work in the pool doesn't translate to the open water for me. It should though! I'm sure it's due to lack of experience, and I do plan on getting in OWS practices once the water warms up. I had an anxiety attack during my first tri last June during the swim portion of the race because of the wetsuit. I felt like it was squeezing my heart into a little ball. Anyway, I did get more comfortable over the course of the summer, but I think that experience affected my performance in the other races. I still loathe the wetsuit. I always hold back a little because I fear having another attack. I need to let go of that fear. Think the clinic sounds like a good idea? Or total waste of money? Do I just need more practice in OW? I'm all for advice, folks. |
2012-05-07 4:13 PM in reply to: #4195611 |
Master 1832 Elgin, IL | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED Just my opinion, and I am generally totally fearless about water and stuff, I would just try and get in more time in the OWS. If the clinic is cheap do it, but I think the more practice you get the better and more comfortable you will feel. I know tons of people that have flip out in the water and some really good swimmers that still do in OWS. I honestly don't know anyone that was totally comfortable in their first couple OWS, and most will probably admit to the choking or vice-like feeling with the wetsuit in the beginning, but that will go away or you will mentally ignore it as you get more practice. I am fortunate enough that we have and OWS set up by us for every Wednesday night with guards and measured out with buoys .. then a run brick after. So people around here can get tons of practice. Lake Michigan has OWS too during the week, but haven't done that. |
2012-05-07 5:00 PM in reply to: #4123621 |
Master 2151 Johns Creek, Georgia | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED I agree with Carrie - more practice in OWS, in your wetsuit. If the clinic is big enough you might get more of the "mass swim start chaos" vs. just swimming on your own. But it sounds like it's not the people around you during the race, it's the feeling of the wetsuit and how constricting it is. |
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2012-05-07 5:30 PM in reply to: #4195795 |
Extreme Veteran 3020 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED karen26.2 - 2012-05-07 6:00 PM I agree with Carrie - more practice in OWS, in your wetsuit. If the clinic is big enough you might get more of the "mass swim start chaos" vs. just swimming on your own. But it sounds like it's not the people around you during the race, it's the feeling of the wetsuit and how constricting it is. You're right. It's not the people around me or sighting; it's the wetsuit. I feel like it squeezes my chest, and as my heart rate climbs higher, the feeling gets more intense. I don't even swim faster in it, so it's even more frustrating! Thanks for the advice, ladies. |
2012-05-07 6:56 PM in reply to: #4195853 |
Expert 913 Lost in the Evergreens | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED jarvy01 - 2012-05-07 3:30 PM karen26.2 - 2012-05-07 6:00 PM I agree with Carrie - more practice in OWS, in your wetsuit. If the clinic is big enough you might get more of the "mass swim start chaos" vs. just swimming on your own. But it sounds like it's not the people around you during the race, it's the feeling of the wetsuit and how constricting it is. You're right. It's not the people around me or sighting; it's the wetsuit. I feel like it squeezes my chest, and as my heart rate climbs higher, the feeling gets more intense. I don't even swim faster in it, so it's even more frustrating! Thanks for the advice, ladies. On Sunday, I was in my wetsuit for the first time this year. The water was in the mid 50's. When I starting swimming I definately felt the pressure on my chest. I let some water into the suit and the suit felt like it relaxed it's grip. In addition to the pressure making it hard to breath the suit was tight in the shoulders. After about 5 min's the suit felt more 'normal'. After swimming for around an hour I didn't seem to notice the suit being a problem, my swimming was the problem not the suit. These are some of the OWS tips I observed this weekend. Rubber garden gloves are great for putting a suit on. No exposed finger nails to tear little holes and the rubber easily grips the suit. Silcone ear plugs keep out the cold water that causes vertigo that sometimes induces panic. Laundry detergent bottles filled with hot water to warm the bod after the swim. I am still a bit envious of you all in the south where the water is warm and days are long. |
2012-05-07 7:49 PM in reply to: #4195853 |
Master 1832 Elgin, IL | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED You know as long as you are rinsing your wetsuit really well you can practice in the pool. I wouldn't do it a ton, and it will be a little weird, but it will help get you used to it if you don't have a lot of OW to practice with. |
2012-05-07 8:57 PM in reply to: #4123621 |
Extreme Veteran 826 Bristow | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED Kelly sorry to hear about your race. I know you say we learn something about ourselves at all these races and you will take something good out of this and I am sure you will apply it and use it to aid you in your next race. Hope you get better soon and go out and kick the next races butt |
2012-05-08 6:32 AM in reply to: #4123621 |
Master 2151 Johns Creek, Georgia | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED Swimming question - what makes a person a good kicker? I'm a horrible kicker, always have been. I watch others doing kick drills and they look effortless in the water. I'm kicking like there's no tomorrow but barely moving forward, and they are just cruising along. I don't get it. (Probably no different from just swimming in general - if I sprint I'm sure I look like a mess. Some people just look so smooth in the water.) If I tire out about halfway down the lane while sprint kicking, do I just need to keep adding kick sets to my workouts? Are my hip flexors weak? Will I always be a horrible kicker and I should just accept that and move on? Or is it possible to become an efficient kicker? Edited by karen26.2 2012-05-08 6:32 AM |
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2012-05-08 6:34 AM in reply to: #4123621 |
Extreme Veteran 3020 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED 3200m ladder swim this morning. Almost ran over a big, fat skunk on my way to the pool and wondered if it was a sign that my day is going to be stinky Strength training later. About the wetsuit - I found the tip from Emilio Desoto interesting (right first name???). I guess it helps to soak the wetsuit for 5 minutes in the tub after pulling it out of storage. It loosens it up and when you go to use it, it won't have as much stiffness to it. I'm going to try it. |
2012-05-08 6:37 AM in reply to: #4196561 |
Extreme Veteran 3020 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED karen26.2 - 2012-05-08 7:32 AM Swimming question - what makes a person a good kicker? I'm a horrible kicker, always have been. I watch others doing kick drills and they look effortless in the water. I'm kicking like there's no tomorrow but barely moving forward, and they are just cruising along. I don't get it. (Probably no different from just swimming in general - if I sprint I'm sure I look like a mess. Some people just look so smooth in the water.) If I tire out about halfway down the lane while sprint kicking, do I just need to keep adding kick sets to my workouts? Are my hip flexors weak? Will I always be a horrible kicker and I should just accept that and move on? Or is it possible to become an efficient kicker? I'm sure it's like everything else. The more you practice kicking, the faster you will become. Are you rotating while you're using the kick board? I am in no place to give advice. I did 1 x 200 kick this morning, and it's just a sad, sad sight. I feel like I'm just plodding along. I figure those people whom fly along with their boards used to be competitive swimmers, so they had hours upon hours to refine that aspect of their stroke. Right? |
2012-05-08 6:59 AM in reply to: #4123621 |
Extreme Veteran 678 Rome, NY | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED 4000 straight swim this morning!!! I do one continous swim per month. As far as the wetsuit goes i know it stinks but let water in via the neck it changes the whole tight chest feeling!! |
2012-05-08 7:31 AM in reply to: #4123621 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED Interesting article on kicking. http://www.usatriathlon.org/about-multisport/multisport-zone/multisport-lab/articles/kick-for-swim-050112.aspx
So I woke up late today. Got the 45 minute Z1 run in, but need to fit an hour twenty Z1 bike later today. |
2012-05-08 8:36 AM in reply to: #4123621 |
Master 2538 Albuquerque | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED Going to get my new bike sized today at 2pm, then off to Jay's to do some Spinervals on it. Should be interesting. My Achilles is feeling a lot better, but I'm nervous to run on it still...decisions decisions. |
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2012-05-08 8:37 AM in reply to: #4194288 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED CubeFarmGopher - 2012-05-07 8:06 AM Kelly DNF'd her race yesterday. She came out of the water completely pissed about people cutting the course and, while she was on the bike, had issues with breathing. She said that, in order to hit her Z1 power/pace numbers, she was sitting in Z2/Z3 HR zones. Stress (work, training, me) has completely pancaked her and she decided to pull out after the first loop of the bike. Better to pack it in and save it for another day. The issue with the race wasn't really the course cutting or the drafting or the breathing. The issue with the race is that I'm emotionally spent and my training is/has suffered. To make a long story short, about a year and half ago Shaun started showing signs of depression and I started to bug him to go see a therapist (he had previously seen a therapist when he lived in Florida, but stopped going after he moved to Connecticut). Shaun resisted and things kept getting worse and worse. He would be depressed for long periods of time, have panic attacks over simple things and be unable to focus on anything. I spent a lot of time and mental energy just trying to manage Shaun. This winter was particularly bad for him. Finally, a few months ago Shaun agreed to make an appointment with the Institutes of Living and have a full assessemnt done. He was diagnosed with severe depression, an anxiety disorder and ADHD. He starts treatement this week, but unfortunately 18 months of dealing with him has left me completely burnt out. I know that he is now working on getting better but its still really tough on a day-to-day basis. Because of the emotional stress I'm having problems recovering well and staying healthy, which has adversely affected my training. I'm incredibly frustrated. At the moment Doug has pulled the plug on me and is not letting me train until I can deal with some of these stresses. I'm just in a really tough position. The DNF was just a symptom of the emotional stress.
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2012-05-08 8:43 AM in reply to: #4196561 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED karen26.2 - 2012-05-08 7:32 AM Swimming question - what makes a person a good kicker? I'm a horrible kicker, always have been. I watch others doing kick drills and they look effortless in the water. I'm kicking like there's no tomorrow but barely moving forward, and they are just cruising along. I don't get it. (Probably no different from just swimming in general - if I sprint I'm sure I look like a mess. Some people just look so smooth in the water.) If I tire out about halfway down the lane while sprint kicking, do I just need to keep adding kick sets to my workouts? Are my hip flexors weak? Will I always be a horrible kicker and I should just accept that and move on? Or is it possible to become an efficient kicker? Kicking is really not particularly useful in open water swimming. So long as your body is balanced and you're not dragging the lower half of your body through the water like and anchor, you don't really need to worry about kicking. Plus with any good wetsuit, you have bubbles around your legs, which hold them up. |
2012-05-08 8:44 AM in reply to: #4195853 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED jarvy01 - 2012-05-07 6:30 PM karen26.2 - 2012-05-07 6:00 PM I agree with Carrie - more practice in OWS, in your wetsuit. If the clinic is big enough you might get more of the "mass swim start chaos" vs. just swimming on your own. But it sounds like it's not the people around you during the race, it's the feeling of the wetsuit and how constricting it is. You're right. It's not the people around me or sighting; it's the wetsuit. I feel like it squeezes my chest, and as my heart rate climbs higher, the feeling gets more intense. I don't even swim faster in it, so it's even more frustrating! Thanks for the advice, ladies. What wetsuit are you wearing? |
2012-05-08 8:52 AM in reply to: #4123621 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 Part 2 - CLOSED A little perspective. We are not professional triathletes. We are husbands and wives, professionals with careers, people with families that we love and support. Triathlon is a hobby, it does not define us. It's a recreation, never an obssession. If we begin to place too much of our self worth and value in our results, we are going down a very dangerous road. I appreciate your candor, Kelly, and from my perspective you have shown some tendencies of heading down that road. I think you need to get back to finding the simple joy in the journey of fitness and wellness as opposed to race results and expectations. |
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