Fred D and Jason's (Tri808) Half Ironman Mentor Group CLOSED! (Page 44)

Definitely some FAST times from the HIM group.  Is sub-5 a requirement here?    Congrats on the terrific day!

Scott, read your RR.  Sounds like a great day for you and that you paced it well, even if the run felt easier than you targeted.  Were you really 74th OA (sounds like a big field, with almost 700!) in EACH of the legs?  Weird how that worked out, but a great showing!

Congrats to all the racers from the weekend - nice showing!

Matt

Wow, fantastic! Glad you had such a great race.

But the real question is, who won? Team USA or Team Canada?

Scott, to paste an active URL in I just highlight the URL, copy it, and paste it into the text like this:

"To see the race report, go here: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=492253"

then to make it a little nicer, highlight what I just pasted in and change the lengthy url to something a bit more concise by typing in whatever I want like this:

"To see the race report, go here"

I posted about saddle issues and getting re-fit about a week ago.  I talked with my fitter and scheduled an appointment for Friday.  He has this neat technology called GebioMized, that is able to give real time saddle pressure analysis.  Unfortunately, we weren't able to resolve my issues, but I think I might have a new clue into my knee injury.

We checked the saddle pressure on my current saddle (Adamo Road) -- almost all of the saddle pressure was at the front on my pubic bone....and what little pressure was noted at my sit bones, almost all of it was on my left side.  Somehow, even though my sit bone pressure had a left bias, I noticed more pressure on the right side of my pubic bone.  The front / left sit bone pressure was to be the theme for the day).

Would be strange to land in different spots in your AG but the exact same spot OA in each leg!  Definitely possible, especially in a smaller race, but less so in a larger one. 

Great race in any event!

Waaaaahhhhh!!!  I'm sick

Had a weird headache all weekend, then in the middle of the night Sunday, I woke up and had this weird ringing in my ears and tenderness in my lymph nodes in my neck.  I went to the doctor yesterday to get antibiotics to hopefully clear this thing up quickls.....but seriously, why does this have to happen during my peak week??

I know it's not going to affect my fitness, but it's still frustrating....I wanted one last push before Vineman.  Missed my swim last night and my trainer ride this morning.  Hoping to feel good enough to swim tomorrow morning, but I'm not feeling entirely optimistic.

Why couldn't it just wait for taper week?

Congrats on the finishes!!  Unfortunately my race didn't go as planned (Syracuse HIM).  I'm pleased with my swim and feel good about the bike (for me that was fast) but I fell apart on the run.   The temperature was 47 degrees with the humidity and I was reduced to a walk.  I did as you all suggested - slowed down, drank lots, took ice, wore soaked sponges.  I walked the uphills and ran the downhills but had quad cramping. 

In hindsight I'm wondering if I didn't drink enough on the bike.  ?  We've talked about liquids and nutrition before.  So I drank lots Saturday, and then a bottle of Gatorade before the race.  On the bike I drank 1.5 bottles of Gatorade and 2 of water.  The first 20K was climbing and I remember feeling thirsty and forced myself to drink.  Definitely felt parched on the run and wished the aid stations were closer together.  Drank 3 drinks of everything and took some ice.  Thoughts?

Looped courses are such a mindf*ck.  You run past the finish line only to have to start over.  At that point I was crampy and it had taken me 1:32 to run a little over 10K.  I knew I'd have to walk the rest and it wasn't the run I'd trained for at all.  And then the skies opened, the thunderstorm started - lightening too - and they shut it all down.  Crazy.

Originally posted by Mike_D They shut the race down? I assume you didn't get to finish? If so, I'm so sorry, that is a real bummer. I feel your pain about the run, and not having it go as you'd hope. Was there recently, and its not fun.

I, too, would like to hear about the drinking more thoughts from folks. I had painful calf cramps on the 'run' portion, and it was awful.

47 degrees Celcius? Thats 113 F....did you mean 37? That is still 102. Outrageously brutal conditions.

Yes they shut it down.  I had quit just before they did so. 

Yup 47 degrees!! That's over a 100 for you folks.  The humidity was crazy.  Everyone was walking and had sponges sticking out of their hats, clothes etc.  It was like a walking dead episode.  Fortunately some local residents brought out hoses and were hosing us down.  There were 97 women in my age group and 12 didn't finish.  12%  Not sure what the overall numbers looked like.

Originally posted by kimmax

Originally posted by Mike_D They shut the race down? I assume you didn't get to finish? If so, I'm so sorry, that is a real bummer. I feel your pain about the run, and not having it go as you'd hope. Was there recently, and its not fun.

I, too, would like to hear about the drinking more thoughts from folks. I had painful calf cramps on the 'run' portion, and it was awful.

47 degrees Celcius? Thats 113 F....did you mean 37? That is still 102. Outrageously brutal conditions.

 

Yes they shut it down.  I had quit just before they did so. 

Yup 47 degrees!! That's over a 100 for you folks.  The humidity was crazy.  Everyone was walking and had sponges sticking out of their hats, clothes etc.  It was like a walking dead episode.  Fortunately some local residents brought out hoses and were hosing us down.  There were 97 women in my age group and 12 didn't finish.  12%  Not sure what the overall numbers looked like.

So that is about 70oz of water/Gatorade during your bike? *For me* that would be too low, especially in that heat & humidity. Use your bike to set up your run - it sounds like you didn't drink enough on the bike and then went into overdrive to make up for it on the run, by taking in 3 drinks of everything at all of the aid stations. Do I have that right?

Originally posted by kimmax

Originally posted by Mike_D They shut the race down? I assume you didn't get to finish? If so, I'm so sorry, that is a real bummer. I feel your pain about the run, and not having it go as you'd hope. Was there recently, and its not fun.

I, too, would like to hear about the drinking more thoughts from folks. I had painful calf cramps on the 'run' portion, and it was awful.

47 degrees Celcius? Thats 113 F....did you mean 37? That is still 102. Outrageously brutal conditions.

 

Yes they shut it down.  I had quit just before they did so. 

Yup 47 degrees!! That's over a 100 for you folks.  The humidity was crazy.  Everyone was walking and had sponges sticking out of their hats, clothes etc.  It was like a walking dead episode.  Fortunately some local residents brought out hoses and were hosing us down.  There were 97 women in my age group and 12 didn't finish.  12%  Not sure what the overall numbers looked like.

WOW, that is one brutal day.  So sorry it went the way it did.  I can't even imagine trying to finish a HIM in those conditions... Just crazy.

I think in that kind of heat, there is less and less you can do to get and stay ahead of the conditions.  While cramping is most often due to not training for the level of effort put forth, I'm not sure one can train enough to do much but try to survive a day like that (with the exception, maybe, of people who have WAY more time to train than most of us in this game and who ALSO live and train in hot, humid swamps!).  Pretty exceptional, and again I'm bummed for you that it coincided with race day.

Take what you can from the race and put it to good use in the next one!  They can't all be weather disasters. 

Matt

Good point (I missed that), and you did mention being thirsty.

As some of my special ops friends have said about exertion in the heat, "If you're thirsty, it's too late;" and, "If you're not peeing (OK, not the actual word they use), you're not drinking enough."  Largely applicable to racing on a hot day (for me, on a cool day I go more by thirst than trying to stay in front of it).

I rode 58 miles or so on Sunday (hills) and ran a couple miles off the bike.  In the three hour ride and then the run, I took in 2x24oz + 4x20oz + 2x10oz bottles (half poweraid, half water) and was a bit underhydrated.  'Course, I sweat - a LOT.    I didn't cramp up, but I did drink an extra 10oz in transition right before the run and had that sloshing a bit in my belly for the first mile.  Got back on top of hydration, but I could see it getting away from me if I didn't drink aggressively...

Matt

I think you are both right.  Yes... I had less than 80oz of fluids.  It felt like a lot at the time but given the heat and exertion it should have been more.  And it's funny you mention that Matt - I had to pee at the beginning of my bike and then didn't actually go until I was back in my hotel room - almost 8 hours later.  My body is acting wonky too.  Three day headache etc.  Really sucks that you have to actually race to figure out if you have things figured out.  I could NEVER train in Kona.  Isn't it that hot like that there all the time?  I like my snowy winter runs!!!

I also agree that you could have drank more on the bike, but that heat was pretty extreme so keeping hydrated would be hard no matter what you did. For me, I like to keep my hydration separate from my nutrition so i can adjust on the fly. When it's really hot I drink a lot more and eat less. Also i like to use NUUN for the electrolytes, plus I'll drink more with that very slight flavor than I will with either plain water or sweet sports drink.

I did a half with similar conditions a couple of years ago and if the run had been a 2 loop course i probably wouldn't have gone out for the second loop. I hear you on the snowy runs. The last few miles of that race I was dreaming (or maybe hallucinating)  about those lovely winter runs where you get icicles in your eyebrows.