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2010-01-14 9:32 AM
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If your logs are up to date I would actually say your under doing it.  You need to become more consistent with each discipline IMO.  Maybe dial down the distance your going for your runs but run more often.  Get on the bike more consistent as well (assume you have the ability to bike indoors).  Once you get each disipline in more frequently you'll start to find it easier when you got your base built up.  Then when you have a nice solid base start increasing the distance and time.  Then you can start adding in some switch ups in intensity.

Course, I am not a professional and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn (it is the Holiday In that makes you smart right?  Or is that Express?).  But, that is what works for me.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:22 AM I switch up my workouts a TON and I am only seeing the same exercise one or twice a week, especially with the indoor and out door stuff in the winter.  So, will I ever build muscle memory, is that the problem?  Right now I am sore everyday....if I take a day or two off it is better but once I hit a good workout, right back to a sore bod?  I am still fairly new and hope I am not overdoing it? 



bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 9:13 AM Good job in getting out there. 

How long after do you remain sore?  I would have to say it goes away as your fitness builds and eventually your shorter easier workouts barely bother you or only bother you for a short time.  Your longer or more intense workouts will stay with you longer but shouldn't be more then a day.  But, when you change things up you'll be affected for longer.  I recover pretty quick right now.  My runs at the distance they are don't linger with me at all, regardless of the intensity.  It'll come with time and more important consistency.


NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:01 AM Hey guys,

Got outside for a run yesterday, but was still really cold for me (34C) with brutal winds.  Knee still super sore after run but bareable while running.

Question for all you professionals:   Does the overall body soreness ever go away?  I am fine while training but the after is brutal.  Does this get better with time?





2010-01-14 9:37 AM
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Ok, I can try that.  More times in a row is what your saying and less distance.   Thanks!!!


bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 9:32 AM If your logs are up to date I would actually say your under doing it.  You need to become more consistent with each discipline IMO.  Maybe dial down the distance your going for your runs but run more often.  Get on the bike more consistent as well (assume you have the ability to bike indoors).  Once you get each disipline in more frequently you'll start to find it easier when you got your base built up.  Then when you have a nice solid base start increasing the distance and time.  Then you can start adding in some switch ups in intensity.

Course, I am not a professional and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn (it is the Holiday In that makes you smart right?  Or is that Express?).  But, that is what works for me.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:22 AM I switch up my workouts a TON and I am only seeing the same exercise one or twice a week, especially with the indoor and out door stuff in the winter.  So, will I ever build muscle memory, is that the problem?  Right now I am sore everyday....if I take a day or two off it is better but once I hit a good workout, right back to a sore bod?  I am still fairly new and hope I am not overdoing it? 



bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 9:13 AM Good job in getting out there. 

How long after do you remain sore?  I would have to say it goes away as your fitness builds and eventually your shorter easier workouts barely bother you or only bother you for a short time.  Your longer or more intense workouts will stay with you longer but shouldn't be more then a day.  But, when you change things up you'll be affected for longer.  I recover pretty quick right now.  My runs at the distance they are don't linger with me at all, regardless of the intensity.  It'll come with time and more important consistency.


NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:01 AM Hey guys,

Got outside for a run yesterday, but was still really cold for me (34C) with brutal winds.  Knee still super sore after run but bareable while running.

Question for all you professionals:   Does the overall body soreness ever go away?  I am fine while training but the after is brutal.  Does this get better with time?



2010-01-14 9:44 AM
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My schedule is as follows.  You could try something similiar if it works.  It's not set in stone, I alter it as need be, but I rarely ever bike two days in a row nor run.  I alternate those days.  So it might be something like this

Mon - almost always off for some reason
Tue - Swim morning, bike evening
Wed - Run morning
Thu - Swim morning, bike evening
Fri - Run morning, swim afternoon
Sat - Bike (usually morning but this is my longer bike ride in the summer.  Right now I am doing Jorge's Challenge program so whatever is scheduled)
Sun - Run morning

I sometimes will throw in a brick on one of the weekday bikes, which gives me a 4th run but it is short enough that it does not bother me.  I only do that leading up to and in season.  Not the winter.  So I end up doing each sport 3x's per week.  I know others put in 4x's but I just can't swing the time.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:37 AM Ok, I can try that.  More times in a row is what your saying and less distance.   Thanks!!!

2010-01-14 9:51 AM
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I guess I need to get rid of the core 2-3X a week, strength training (for arms), and the volleyball 1-2X a week.  Does seem like I am trying to fit a lot of activities into 5-6 days.  That could be my problem.


bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 9:44 AM My schedule is as follows.  You could try something similiar if it works.  It's not set in stone, I alter it as need be, but I rarely ever bike two days in a row nor run.  I alternate those days.  So it might be something like this

Mon - almost always off for some reason
Tue - Swim morning, bike evening
Wed - Run morning
Thu - Swim morning, bike evening
Fri - Run morning, swim afternoon
Sat - Bike (usually morning but this is my longer bike ride in the summer.  Right now I am doing Jorge's Challenge program so whatever is scheduled)
Sun - Run morning

I sometimes will throw in a brick on one of the weekday bikes, which gives me a 4th run but it is short enough that it does not bother me.  I only do that leading up to and in season.  Not the winter.  So I end up doing each sport 3x's per week.  I know others put in 4x's but I just can't swing the time.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:37 AM Ok, I can try that.  More times in a row is what your saying and less distance.   Thanks!!!

2010-01-14 9:52 AM
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I will second all of that. If you are that sore you are over doing it on the wo you are doing and/or need a little consistancy.  Slow down a little and build up. Tired muscles are ok but sore muscles for days then you might have over done it some. I used to think that I didnt get a good workout unless I was sore the next day. Thats not the ticket for endurance.



NRG42 - 2010-01-14 9:37 AM Ok, I can try that.  More times in a row is what your saying and less distance.   Thanks!!!


bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 9:32 AM If your logs are up to date I would actually say your under doing it.  You need to become more consistent with each discipline IMO.  Maybe dial down the distance your going for your runs but run more often.  Get on the bike more consistent as well (assume you have the ability to bike indoors).  Once you get each disipline in more frequently you'll start to find it easier when you got your base built up.  Then when you have a nice solid base start increasing the distance and time.  Then you can start adding in some switch ups in intensity.

Course, I am not a professional and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn (it is the Holiday In that makes you smart right?  Or is that Express?).  But, that is what works for me.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:22 AM I switch up my workouts a TON and I am only seeing the same exercise one or twice a week, especially with the indoor and out door stuff in the winter.  So, will I ever build muscle memory, is that the problem?  Right now I am sore everyday....if I take a day or two off it is better but once I hit a good workout, right back to a sore bod?  I am still fairly new and hope I am not overdoing it? 



bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 9:13 AM Good job in getting out there. 

How long after do you remain sore?  I would have to say it goes away as your fitness builds and eventually your shorter easier workouts barely bother you or only bother you for a short time.  Your longer or more intense workouts will stay with you longer but shouldn't be more then a day.  But, when you change things up you'll be affected for longer.  I recover pretty quick right now.  My runs at the distance they are don't linger with me at all, regardless of the intensity.  It'll come with time and more important consistency.


NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:01 AM Hey guys,

Got outside for a run yesterday, but was still really cold for me (34C) with brutal winds.  Knee still super sore after run but bareable while running.

Question for all you professionals:   Does the overall body soreness ever go away?  I am fine while training but the after is brutal.  Does this get better with time?



2010-01-14 9:55 AM
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Try and keep the core.  I am just a lazy arse and I really need to get it into my schedule.  It will make you stronger for all your other workouts and help you more then you can imagine.  Personally I would try and keep the strength training as well, but there is only so much time.  On my non-lazy days I try and do my strength training after my bike workout.  I do full body but it only takes me 30 minutes since I am supersetting.  Course, now that I told you to try and keep it in I need to get consistent in that myself.  Practice what you preach right?

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:51 AM I guess I need to get rid of the core 2-3X a week, strength training (for arms), and the volleyball 1-2X a week.  Does seem like I am trying to fit a lot of activities into 5-6 days.  That could be my problem.


2010-01-14 9:56 AM
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I wouldnt get ride of the core and arm stuff but replace a few of them with a short run or a bike session. I also say keep the V-Ball. Dont give up other sports/activities you like just to do Tri workouts. It is a balancing act though.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 9:51 AM I guess I need to get rid of the core 2-3X a week, strength training (for arms), and the volleyball 1-2X a week.  Does seem like I am trying to fit a lot of activities into 5-6 days.  That could be my problem.


bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 9:44 AM My schedule is as follows.  You could try something similiar if it works.  It's not set in stone, I alter it as need be, but I rarely ever bike two days in a row nor run.  I alternate those days.  So it might be something like this

Mon - almost always off for some reason
Tue - Swim morning, bike evening
Wed - Run morning
Thu - Swim morning, bike evening
Fri - Run morning, swim afternoon
Sat - Bike (usually morning but this is my longer bike ride in the summer.  Right now I am doing Jorge's Challenge program so whatever is scheduled)
Sun - Run morning

I sometimes will throw in a brick on one of the weekday bikes, which gives me a 4th run but it is short enough that it does not bother me.  I only do that leading up to and in season.  Not the winter.  So I end up doing each sport 3x's per week.  I know others put in 4x's but I just can't swing the time.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:37 AM Ok, I can try that.  More times in a row is what your saying and less distance.   Thanks!!!

2010-01-14 9:57 AM
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lol i should just wait till Kim posts and say Ditto.. You are kicking my butt on post speed.
2010-01-14 9:57 AM
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What do you consider a short rides or runs? 


Newtons1st - 2010-01-14 9:56 AM I wouldnt get ride of the core and arm stuff but replace a few of them with a short run or a bike session. I also say keep the V-Ball. Dont give up other sports/activities you like just to do Tri workouts. It is a balancing act though.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 9:51 AM I guess I need to get rid of the core 2-3X a week, strength training (for arms), and the volleyball 1-2X a week.  Does seem like I am trying to fit a lot of activities into 5-6 days.  That could be my problem.


bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 9:44 AM My schedule is as follows.  You could try something similiar if it works.  It's not set in stone, I alter it as need be, but I rarely ever bike two days in a row nor run.  I alternate those days.  So it might be something like this

Mon - almost always off for some reason
Tue - Swim morning, bike evening
Wed - Run morning
Thu - Swim morning, bike evening
Fri - Run morning, swim afternoon
Sat - Bike (usually morning but this is my longer bike ride in the summer.  Right now I am doing Jorge's Challenge program so whatever is scheduled)
Sun - Run morning

I sometimes will throw in a brick on one of the weekday bikes, which gives me a 4th run but it is short enough that it does not bother me.  I only do that leading up to and in season.  Not the winter.  So I end up doing each sport 3x's per week.  I know others put in 4x's but I just can't swing the time.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:37 AM Ok, I can try that.  More times in a row is what your saying and less distance.   Thanks!!!

2010-01-14 10:02 AM
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That is kind of dependant on what your goals are for the season.  Darn, suppose I could have checked that.  But, I see you can do 5/6 miles now so maybe dial them down to 3 and see how you feel with that.  Bikes, while, you might not want to check with me.  Centuries are my friend  I'd say an hour is a short ride.  With riding you can actually pick up the intensity.  So, if you only have 30 minutes, that's fine, go at it hard.  It's better then no ride.  But I am on the trainer most the time right now and I am anywhere between 45mins to an hour.  Once it gets nice outside I'll go an hour to an hour and a half during the weekdays and 2+ on the weekends, depending on the ride.  It could end up being 4+ easily.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:57 AM What do you consider a short rides or runs? 

2010-01-14 10:03 AM
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I'll second everything that has already been suggested. And add a few things that have helped me speed up the recovery process.

-After hard or long runs/bikes I take an ice bath.
-If my legs are sore I will massage them as I watch tv.
-After workouts I make sure I eat the right food. If I can't, I drink some recoverite to hold me over until I can eat.
-"Try" to make sure I get enough sleep. With four kids under 5 this is tough for me.
-On off days I try to go for walks with the kids just to get a little bit of active recovery. I bring the kids to ensure it is a nice slow relaxing walk just to get the blood moving a bit.

I'm also new at Tri's so I may be some things wrong, but this seems to help me.




Newtons1st - 2010-01-14 9:52 AM I will second all of that. If you are that sore you are over doing it on the wo you are doing and/or need a little consistancy.  Slow down a little and build up. Tired muscles are ok but sore muscles for days then you might have over done it some. I used to think that I didnt get a good workout unless I was sore the next day. Thats not the ticket for endurance.



NRG42 - 2010-01-14 9:37 AM Ok, I can try that.  More times in a row is what your saying and less distance.   Thanks!!!


bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 9:32 AM If your logs are up to date I would actually say your under doing it.  You need to become more consistent with each discipline IMO.  Maybe dial down the distance your going for your runs but run more often.  Get on the bike more consistent as well (assume you have the ability to bike indoors).  Once you get each disipline in more frequently you'll start to find it easier when you got your base built up.  Then when you have a nice solid base start increasing the distance and time.  Then you can start adding in some switch ups in intensity.

Course, I am not a professional and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn (it is the Holiday In that makes you smart right?  Or is that Express?).  But, that is what works for me.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:22 AM I switch up my workouts a TON and I am only seeing the same exercise one or twice a week, especially with the indoor and out door stuff in the winter.  So, will I ever build muscle memory, is that the problem?  Right now I am sore everyday....if I take a day or two off it is better but once I hit a good workout, right back to a sore bod?  I am still fairly new and hope I am not overdoing it? 



bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 9:13 AM Good job in getting out there. 

How long after do you remain sore?  I would have to say it goes away as your fitness builds and eventually your shorter easier workouts barely bother you or only bother you for a short time.  Your longer or more intense workouts will stay with you longer but shouldn't be more then a day.  But, when you change things up you'll be affected for longer.  I recover pretty quick right now.  My runs at the distance they are don't linger with me at all, regardless of the intensity.  It'll come with time and more important consistency.


NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:01 AM Hey guys,

Got outside for a run yesterday, but was still really cold for me (34C) with brutal winds.  Knee still super sore after run but bareable while running.

Question for all you professionals:   Does the overall body soreness ever go away?  I am fine while training but the after is brutal.  Does this get better with time?





2010-01-14 10:14 AM
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I have an ambitious race schedule (I think), though not document well here.  I would like to do......
2 sprints
2 olympics
1 triple (super sprint, sprint and olympic in two days)
2 half marathons
1 full marathon
bunch(12)  5 and 10K




bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 10:02 AM That is kind of dependant on what your goals are for the season.  Darn, suppose I could have checked that.  But, I see you can do 5/6 miles now so maybe dial them down to 3 and see how you feel with that.  Bikes, while, you might not want to check with me.  Centuries are my friend  I'd say an hour is a short ride.  With riding you can actually pick up the intensity.  So, if you only have 30 minutes, that's fine, go at it hard.  It's better then no ride.  But I am on the trainer most the time right now and I am anywhere between 45mins to an hour.  Once it gets nice outside I'll go an hour to an hour and a half during the weekdays and 2+ on the weekends, depending on the ride.  It could end up being 4+ easily.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:57 AM What do you consider a short rides or runs? 



Edited by NRG42 2010-01-14 10:14 AM
2010-01-14 10:16 AM
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Newtons1st - 2010-01-14 10:57 AM lol i should just wait till Kim posts and say Ditto.. You are kicking my butt on post speed.


Thanks Todd.  Ahh, well I've been really working on my post-padding on one of the Challenge Teams.  After some consistent training over the last few months, my posting has increased and my times have dropped.   Just like T1 & T2, keep it simple.  Try to do too much and someone beats you to the course. Not to worry though, I will be tapering next week and you can take the lead.

Of course, you are referring to the other Kim but thought I'd take it as a challenge.

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2010-01-14 10:18 AM
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Todd - You always have the most entertaining stories.   Thanks for the laugh

Newtons1st - 2010-01-14 8:58 AM So last night I get home and do the usual stuff. Letting dogs out of thier pins to go outside. Get the baby girl what ever she needs, throw the keys on the counter and what not. Let the dogs back in and head to the bedroom to change. Puppy is all excited about being out and playing. Throw my pants on the bed and go to the bathroom to pee. As I am standing there doing my thing it seems puppy thought it would be a great idea to run between my legs and jump into the toilet to chase the "fluid" as I was midstreem. Now there is no way to insta stop peeing, grab puppy who is squirming arouind in the bowl and not have a royal mess.  Needless to say puppy and I had to take a shower and I had to do some cleaning. If I wasnt laughing so hard I might have been upset. But how can youu get mad at a cute little puppy.
2010-01-14 10:19 AM
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Dang, that is ambitious.  You for sure need to get more consistant on the run.  If you are doing an Oct marathon you'll want to be doing 15+/week before March. 

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 8:14 AM I have an ambitious race schedule (I think), though not document well here.  I would like to do......
2 sprints
2 olympics
1 triple (super sprint, sprint and olympic in two days)
2 half marathons
1 full marathon
bunch(12)  5 and 10K




bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 10:02 AM That is kind of dependant on what your goals are for the season.  Darn, suppose I could have checked that.  But, I see you can do 5/6 miles now so maybe dial them down to 3 and see how you feel with that.  Bikes, while, you might not want to check with me.  Centuries are my friend  I'd say an hour is a short ride.  With riding you can actually pick up the intensity.  So, if you only have 30 minutes, that's fine, go at it hard.  It's better then no ride.  But I am on the trainer most the time right now and I am anywhere between 45mins to an hour.  Once it gets nice outside I'll go an hour to an hour and a half during the weekdays and 2+ on the weekends, depending on the ride.  It could end up being 4+ easily.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:57 AM What do you consider a short rides or runs? 

2010-01-14 10:21 AM
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Once you've done everything suggested below, if you still have the occasional really sore area......break out the foam roller.  It is an evil instrument of torture, probably invented by a sadist, but it does the trick.

Houstonrider - 2010-01-14 11:03 AM I'll second everything that has already been suggested. And add a few things that have helped me speed up the recovery process.

-After hard or long runs/bikes I take an ice bath.
-If my legs are sore I will massage them as I watch tv.
-After workouts I make sure I eat the right food. If I can't, I drink some recoverite to hold me over until I can eat.
-"Try" to make sure I get enough sleep. With four kids under 5 this is tough for me.
-On off days I try to go for walks with the kids just to get a little bit of active recovery. I bring the kids to ensure it is a nice slow relaxing walk just to get the blood moving a bit.

I'm also new at Tri's so I may be some things wrong, but this seems to help me.




Newtons1st - 2010-01-14 9:52 AM I will second all of that. If you are that sore you are over doing it on the wo you are doing and/or need a little consistancy.  Slow down a little and build up. Tired muscles are ok but sore muscles for days then you might have over done it some. I used to think that I didnt get a good workout unless I was sore the next day. Thats not the ticket for endurance.



NRG42 - 2010-01-14 9:37 AM Ok, I can try that.  More times in a row is what your saying and less distance.   Thanks!!!


bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 9:32 AM If your logs are up to date I would actually say your under doing it.  You need to become more consistent with each discipline IMO.  Maybe dial down the distance your going for your runs but run more often.  Get on the bike more consistent as well (assume you have the ability to bike indoors).  Once you get each disipline in more frequently you'll start to find it easier when you got your base built up.  Then when you have a nice solid base start increasing the distance and time.  Then you can start adding in some switch ups in intensity.

Course, I am not a professional and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn (it is the Holiday In that makes you smart right?  Or is that Express?).  But, that is what works for me.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:22 AM I switch up my workouts a TON and I am only seeing the same exercise one or twice a week, especially with the indoor and out door stuff in the winter.  So, will I ever build muscle memory, is that the problem?  Right now I am sore everyday....if I take a day or two off it is better but once I hit a good workout, right back to a sore bod?  I am still fairly new and hope I am not overdoing it? 



bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 9:13 AM Good job in getting out there. 

How long after do you remain sore?  I would have to say it goes away as your fitness builds and eventually your shorter easier workouts barely bother you or only bother you for a short time.  Your longer or more intense workouts will stay with you longer but shouldn't be more then a day.  But, when you change things up you'll be affected for longer.  I recover pretty quick right now.  My runs at the distance they are don't linger with me at all, regardless of the intensity.  It'll come with time and more important consistency.


NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:01 AM Hey guys,

Got outside for a run yesterday, but was still really cold for me (34C) with brutal winds.  Knee still super sore after run but bareable while running.

Question for all you professionals:   Does the overall body soreness ever go away?  I am fine while training but the after is brutal.  Does this get better with time?





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LMAO!  This could only happen to you Todd

Newtons1st - 2010-01-14 9:58 AM So last night I get home and do the usual stuff. Letting dogs out of thier pins to go outside. Get the baby girl what ever she needs, throw the keys on the counter and what not. Let the dogs back in and head to the bedroom to change. Puppy is all excited about being out and playing. Throw my pants on the bed and go to the bathroom to pee. As I am standing there doing my thing it seems puppy thought it would be a great idea to run between my legs and jump into the toilet to chase the "fluid" as I was midstreem. Now there is no way to insta stop peeing, grab puppy who is squirming arouind in the bowl and not have a royal mess.  Needless to say puppy and I had to take a shower and I had to do some cleaning. If I wasnt laughing so hard I might have been upset. But how can youu get mad at a cute little puppy.
2010-01-14 10:27 AM
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I am crazy....is this too much? 


bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 10:19 AM Dang, that is ambitious.  You for sure need to get more consistant on the run.  If you are doing an Oct marathon you'll want to be doing 15+/week before March. 

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 8:14 AM I have an ambitious race schedule (I think), though not document well here.  I would like to do......
2 sprints
2 olympics
1 triple (super sprint, sprint and olympic in two days)
2 half marathons
1 full marathon
bunch(12)  5 and 10K




bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 10:02 AM That is kind of dependant on what your goals are for the season.  Darn, suppose I could have checked that.  But, I see you can do 5/6 miles now so maybe dial them down to 3 and see how you feel with that.  Bikes, while, you might not want to check with me.  Centuries are my friend  I'd say an hour is a short ride.  With riding you can actually pick up the intensity.  So, if you only have 30 minutes, that's fine, go at it hard.  It's better then no ride.  But I am on the trainer most the time right now and I am anywhere between 45mins to an hour.  Once it gets nice outside I'll go an hour to an hour and a half during the weekdays and 2+ on the weekends, depending on the ride.  It could end up being 4+ easily.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:57 AM What do you consider a short rides or runs? 

2010-01-14 10:28 AM
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Thanks for everyone's help!
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I second (or maybe by now it's third or fourth) what everyone else already said.  Staying consistent in your workouts is huge!  And if you can add some core and strength to your routine it's also helpful.

I swear by the torture foam roller!  If you're tight it's going to be painful....but good pain   And as your muscles loosen it'll be less painful.  It's 110% worth it, at least IMHO!!

kcarroll - 2010-01-14 11:21 AM Once you've done everything suggested below, if you still have the occasional really sore area......break out the foam roller.  It is an evil instrument of torture, probably invented by a sadist, but it does the trick.

Houstonrider - 2010-01-14 11:03 AM I'll second everything that has already been suggested. And add a few things that have helped me speed up the recovery process.

-After hard or long runs/bikes I take an ice bath.
-If my legs are sore I will massage them as I watch tv.
-After workouts I make sure I eat the right food. If I can't, I drink some recoverite to hold me over until I can eat.
-"Try" to make sure I get enough sleep. With four kids under 5 this is tough for me.
-On off days I try to go for walks with the kids just to get a little bit of active recovery. I bring the kids to ensure it is a nice slow relaxing walk just to get the blood moving a bit.

I'm also new at Tri's so I may be some things wrong, but this seems to help me.




Newtons1st - 2010-01-14 9:52 AM I will second all of that. If you are that sore you are over doing it on the wo you are doing and/or need a little consistancy.  Slow down a little and build up. Tired muscles are ok but sore muscles for days then you might have over done it some. I used to think that I didnt get a good workout unless I was sore the next day. Thats not the ticket for endurance.



NRG42 - 2010-01-14 9:37 AM Ok, I can try that.  More times in a row is what your saying and less distance.   Thanks!!!


bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 9:32 AM If your logs are up to date I would actually say your under doing it.  You need to become more consistent with each discipline IMO.  Maybe dial down the distance your going for your runs but run more often.  Get on the bike more consistent as well (assume you have the ability to bike indoors).  Once you get each disipline in more frequently you'll start to find it easier when you got your base built up.  Then when you have a nice solid base start increasing the distance and time.  Then you can start adding in some switch ups in intensity.

Course, I am not a professional and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn (it is the Holiday In that makes you smart right?  Or is that Express?).  But, that is what works for me.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:22 AM I switch up my workouts a TON and I am only seeing the same exercise one or twice a week, especially with the indoor and out door stuff in the winter.  So, will I ever build muscle memory, is that the problem?  Right now I am sore everyday....if I take a day or two off it is better but once I hit a good workout, right back to a sore bod?  I am still fairly new and hope I am not overdoing it? 



bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 9:13 AM Good job in getting out there. 

How long after do you remain sore?  I would have to say it goes away as your fitness builds and eventually your shorter easier workouts barely bother you or only bother you for a short time.  Your longer or more intense workouts will stay with you longer but shouldn't be more then a day.  But, when you change things up you'll be affected for longer.  I recover pretty quick right now.  My runs at the distance they are don't linger with me at all, regardless of the intensity.  It'll come with time and more important consistency.


NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:01 AM Hey guys,

Got outside for a run yesterday, but was still really cold for me (34C) with brutal winds.  Knee still super sore after run but bareable while running.

Question for all you professionals:   Does the overall body soreness ever go away?  I am fine while training but the after is brutal.  Does this get better with time?



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+1 on that.  It is evil but it does do the trick.  You are actually better off if you use it regularily.  Roll around on it while watching TV.  I also try and stretch everyday, for about 10 minutes or so.  Keeps nagging soreness at bay for me

kcarroll - 2010-01-14 8:21 AM Once you've done everything suggested below, if you still have the occasional really sore area......break out the foam roller.  It is an evil instrument of torture, probably invented by a sadist, but it does the trick.



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You have gotten great advice!  I agree with Justine to look at what you are doing for recovery.  I HAVE to take care of myself after a good work out or I'd be in bad shape.  Ice baths after long runs, the right food including protein, plenty of stretching, the foam roller is my best friend/enemy - it really does wonders and you can pick one up at any sports store for $20ish.  Hope you see some improvement soon.
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What was last season like?  I think if your planning on a marathon I would look to eliminate some of this (bunch(12)  5 and 10K).  I couldn't do your race schedule, but that is so individual.  Marathin training is VERY taxing on your body the closer you get to the marathon, as well as very mentally taxing. 

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 8:27 AM I am crazy....is this too much? 


bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 10:19 AM Dang, that is ambitious.  You for sure need to get more consistant on the run.  If you are doing an Oct marathon you'll want to be doing 15+/week before March. 

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 8:14 AM I have an ambitious race schedule (I think), though not document well here.  I would like to do......
2 sprints
2 olympics
1 triple (super sprint, sprint and olympic in two days)
2 half marathons
1 full marathon
bunch(12)  5 and 10K




bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 10:02 AM That is kind of dependant on what your goals are for the season.  Darn, suppose I could have checked that.  But, I see you can do 5/6 miles now so maybe dial them down to 3 and see how you feel with that.  Bikes, while, you might not want to check with me.  Centuries are my friend  I'd say an hour is a short ride.  With riding you can actually pick up the intensity.  So, if you only have 30 minutes, that's fine, go at it hard.  It's better then no ride.  But I am on the trainer most the time right now and I am anywhere between 45mins to an hour.  Once it gets nice outside I'll go an hour to an hour and a half during the weekdays and 2+ on the weekends, depending on the ride.  It could end up being 4+ easily.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:57 AM What do you consider a short rides or runs? 

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WOW...I agree..that's really ambitious.  I tend to lean towards the conservative side though so I can make sure and balance everything (training, life in general).  I think I started my really longer runs about 6 months out from the marathon.  (I had built a base before then though...I think I started with my long run about 10.)  I would say just listen to your body and accomplish what you can.  Oh and have fun while doing it!

bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 10:19 AM Dang, that is ambitious.  You for sure need to get more consistant on the run.  If you are doing an Oct marathon you'll want to be doing 15+/week before March. 

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 8:14 AM I have an ambitious race schedule (I think), though not document well here.  I would like to do......
2 sprints
2 olympics
1 triple (super sprint, sprint and olympic in two days)
2 half marathons
1 full marathon
bunch(12)  5 and 10K




bzgl40 - 2010-01-14 10:02 AM That is kind of dependant on what your goals are for the season.  Darn, suppose I could have checked that.  But, I see you can do 5/6 miles now so maybe dial them down to 3 and see how you feel with that.  Bikes, while, you might not want to check with me.  Centuries are my friend  I'd say an hour is a short ride.  With riding you can actually pick up the intensity.  So, if you only have 30 minutes, that's fine, go at it hard.  It's better then no ride.  But I am on the trainer most the time right now and I am anywhere between 45mins to an hour.  Once it gets nice outside I'll go an hour to an hour and a half during the weekdays and 2+ on the weekends, depending on the ride.  It could end up being 4+ easily.

NRG42 - 2010-01-14 7:57 AM What do you consider a short rides or runs? 

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I believe you must have built up a base for all that activity. Holy cow man, has anyone told you how kids are made?

Houstonrider - 2010-01-14 10:03 AM I'll second everything that has already been suggested. And add a few things that have helped me speed up the recovery process.

-After hard or long runs/bikes I take an ice bath.
-If my legs are sore I will massage them as I watch tv.
-After workouts I make sure I eat the right food. If I can't, I drink some recoverite to hold me over until I can eat.
-"Try" to make sure I get enough sleep. With four kids under 5 this is tough for me.
-On off days I try to go for walks with the kids just to get a little bit of active recovery. I bring the kids to ensure it is a nice slow relaxing walk just to get the blood moving a bit.

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