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 2011-02-03 8:53 PM in reply to: #3256949 |
Master  1411   Lexington, KY |  Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED!Did everyone see the Landis/Kimmage interview at nyvelocity.com? I just finished it. Long, but interesting read. |
| 2011-02-03 9:19 PM in reply to: #3338010 |
Master 2621  Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! KathyG - 2011-02-03 5:05 PM On the way back into my subdivision on my run today, a guy standing in his garage was clapping and cheering and it took a moment for me to realize it was for me. He yells out you are really hard core. I chuckled and it made me smile. Not to many in my area are doing outside runs these last few weeks. Way to go Kathy! I clapped and screamed for you! |
| 2011-02-04 5:20 AM in reply to: #3256949 |
Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! I had a thought in my head while running last night on the treadmill . That we as triathletes (well me) are not really normal. Not in a bad way. I mean I am run away on the tm for an hour and all the people around me changed like 3 or 4 times. There are a lot of machines and that is a lot of people. I saw maybe a dozen of people total really working up a good sweat, but that seems to be all the time. Then this past Monday I swam for nearly an hour then did a Kettlebells class and then ran. During the Kettlebells class they were talking about last workouts and it seemed most people workout less than 5hr a week. I understand everyone has there own types and needs for working out. So what do you think, we as triathletes are a little out of the normal or it just me? |
| 2011-02-04 5:38 AM in reply to: #3256949 |
Master 1779 | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Kathy, you are hardcore! |
| 2011-02-04 7:24 AM in reply to: #3338580 |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! tasr - 2011-02-04 6:20 AM So what do you think, we as triathletes are a little out of the normal or it just me? I was originally going to answer yes, but then it dawned on me that everyone in the world is basically like us - just might not be as fit. The guy who plays with model trains, collects stamps, or is an avid TV watcher. Add up all their hours over the course of a week/month for their hobby or past time and I'm sure it rivals or puts our time to shame. Single biggest difference in my mind is that what we (and other age group athletes) choose to do is not always fun, and not always easy. I think you need a slight masochistic streak to really be a triathlete - stamp collecting, not so much. |
| 2011-02-04 7:26 AM in reply to: #3338684 |
| Member 26 Denmark | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! I was originally going to answer yes, but then it dawned on me that everyone in the world is basically like us - just might not be as fit. The guy who plays with model trains, collects stamps, or is an avid TV watcher. Add up all their hours over the course of a week/month for their hobby or past time and I'm sure it rivals or puts our time to shame. Single biggest difference in my mind is that what we (and other age group athletes) choose to do is not always fun, and not always easy. I think you need a slight masochistic streak to really be a triathlete - stamp collecting, not so much. I was thinking excactly the same. Edited by jcb123 2011-02-04 7:27 AM |
| 2011-02-04 10:35 AM in reply to: #3338580 |
Master 3058 South Alabama | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! tasr - So what do you think, we as triathletes are a little out of the normal or it just me? Interesting question-I think what most of the folks in this group consider normal for training would be considered extreme or obsessive by the casual exerciser. But, its normal for us. I think most really driven, focused people are a little "self obsessed" and I think you have to be to devote large amounts of time each week to training. Thats not a bad thing in my opinion-we just choose to spend our "free" time exercising or training rather than collecting stamps, watching lots of tv, scrapbooking or whatever. My son played club soccer for many years and we were on the road throughout the Southeast frequently. My wife made an interesting observation one Sunday afternoon when we were on our way home and stopped at a rest area. Something to the effect that there are lots of little universes spinning out there each weekend (soccer, sports tournaments, horse shows, motorcross, dance contests, civil war reenactments etc.....) each group/person/family spending lots of time focused on something they enjoy. The rest area just gives you a snapshot of some of these activities and peoples passion for what they enjoy. As triathletes we are not necessarily traveling to races every weekend but our individual "universes" are often focused on long training weekends and preparing for races. So, maybe the soccer family thinks its normal to travel 2-3 weekends a month for tournaments and anyone that spends the majority of their weekend running, biking or swimming is weird. Its all perspective. But to answer your question tasr, yes its just you! Enjoy the weekend everyone. Randy |
| 2011-02-04 1:35 PM in reply to: #3256949 |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Randy - very philosophical response, I liked it. Question for the group. How do manage descending swim sets? Today I had 4x400Desc, last one to be at T-pace. For each of the sets I managed to shave off seconds from the previous one, and hit the target on the final set. The 100yd averages for each set dropped in this order 1:44,1:43,1:41,1:39. Is this pretty much in line with what each of you would do, or would you allow a slower pace on the first 400 and drop by a greater amount each set? Thanks |
 2011-02-04 3:24 PM in reply to: #3256949 |
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| Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Neil - at that pace a spread of 24 total seconds on a descending set of 4x400s sounds about right to me - I swim the first of a descending set just a little above base pace. *EDIT* Of course that was back in the good 'ol days when I used to workout... Sorry - have to go back in my hole now. Edited by TankBoy 2011-02-04 3:31 PM |
| 2011-02-04 3:30 PM in reply to: #3339159 |
| Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! tasr - So what do you think, we as triathletes are a little out of the normal or it just me? According to Nielson, the average individual in the US watches 4 hours and 49 minutes of television per day. That is almost 34 hours per week! Now THAT sounds weird to me. Unless of course you are riding a trainer. In that case, it is perfectly normal. |
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| 2011-02-04 4:16 PM in reply to: #3256949 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! I did my 20' test as well today. I built my power through my 20' second half 7 watts higher than first 10'. These are always mentally taxing. Good news my watts were up a little since last test in September about 2 months before IM. I hope these bodes well to faster bike splits this year. Fred, I typically gain about 15-20 watts or for me about 8-10-11% from moving from CT to outdoor riding after about 4-6 weeks of solid riding outside. Interesting thread on ST about how much power you lose if you don't train sort of like what is your bottom power FTP and how long it takes to get back up to your typical high FTP. I see my range of about 45 watts pretty typical and time it takes to get those 45 watts varies on how I train. Edited by KathyG 2011-02-04 4:19 PM |
| 2011-02-04 5:40 PM in reply to: #3339787 |
| Master 1779 | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! KathyG - 2011-02-04 4:16 PM I did my 20' test as well today. I built my power through my 20' second half 7 watts higher than first 10'. These are always mentally taxing. Good news my watts were up a little since last test in September about 2 months before IM. I hope these bodes well to faster bike splits this year. Fred, I typically gain about 15-20 watts or for me about 8-10-11% from moving from CT to outdoor riding after about 4-6 weeks of solid riding outside. Interesting thread on ST about how much power you lose if you don't train sort of like what is your bottom power FTP and how long it takes to get back up to your typical high FTP. I see my range of about 45 watts pretty typical and time it takes to get those 45 watts varies on how I train.  |
| 2011-02-05 9:34 AM in reply to: #3256949 |
| Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! What's everyone doing training wise today? Any fun training plans on Superbowl Sunday? Maybe ride the trainer during the game? Today it is above freezing for my run and a zone 3 trainer ride. |
| 2011-02-05 9:39 AM in reply to: #3256949 |
| Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Those of you who train with power there is an interesting thread on the other tri forum about typical off season power drop off. Rich Strauss' thoughts are interesting and similar to my experience but I think he get's his high FTP back faster than I do. I have a bottom no training FTP, and a fit normal high FTP and they vary about the same percentage Rich's does. Improvement of FTP is not linear and with time off serious training it is common to have pretty significant drop off in power. First year or two it happened to me it I was surprised by how fast and much my power dropped off. |
| 2011-02-05 9:45 AM in reply to: #3256949 |
| Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Thanks for everyone's thoughts and experience on working on bilateral breathing earlier in the week. I feel much more comfortable breathing left after spending 30' each swim over last 8 swims focusing on it. Two ideas I tried this last couple swims was the nod drill AdventureBear talked about. I would swim rotate my head as if I was going to breath but instead skip the breath and take in the visual cues of my head position. Again easier for me to do on my good breathing side. I found it interesting to see how far I needed to rotate my head to breath. Other thing I did was sometimes breath left then next stroke breath right. It took the air issue go away so I could practice left more and felt more comfortable doing so. Still when I go from focusing on left breathing to more faster swimming I go back to my old right side only breathing. I do think doing some bilateral breathing is helping my stroke. |
| 2011-02-05 11:05 AM in reply to: #3256949 |
| Master 1411 Lexington, KY | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Thanks for the update on your bilateral breathing work Kathy. Glad to hear you think it is helping your stroke. Makes me think I should try it. The discussion on ST re FTP loss/regain was also good. I purposely let mine fall off recently. I felt like I needed the mental break. Got 14 miles in on the tready today. Feels good to have that done. Swim later if there's time. Nervous for my Packers tomorrow. Looking forward to watching it with my boys (5 and 7). This will be the first superbowl they've watched. Hope everyone is having a good weekend. |
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| Master 1572 Baltimore | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Fred Doucette - 2011-02-05 1:18 PM KathyG - 2011-02-05 10:39 AM Those of you who train with power there is an interesting thread on the other tri forum about typical off season power drop off. Rich Strauss' thoughts are interesting and similar to my experience but I think he get's his high FTP back faster than I do. I have a bottom no training FTP, and a fit normal high FTP and they vary about the same percentage Rich's does. Improvement of FTP is not linear and with time off serious training it is common to have pretty significant drop off in power. First year or two it happened to me it I was surprised by how fast and much my power dropped off. Thanks Kathy. That was an interesting thread. Personally I think my numbers from testing this week are going to come out to an FTP of about 280 (although I will await Dave's calculations). My goal for race season is to be over 4w/kg (I weigh 164 now and want to be high 150s in race time). This would make me 74.54 kg now with an FTP of 280. This is 3.76w/kg. I'm ok being where I am right now as I took sig. time away from serious biking from late Sept. through January 1st. If I can raise my FTP inherently by training 5% and testing outdoors will raise my numbers say 10% then I will be on-track for an FTP of 300-320. Even the low number at my current weight would get me to 4w/kg. I'm optimistic, but aware that numbers in January don't mean that much in the end. Well, I think I figured out how you're FOP despite a less aggressive bike position |
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| Master 1572 Baltimore | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Fred Doucette - 2011-02-05 1:38 PM Well, I think I figured out how you're FOP despite a less aggressive bike position I don't actually think I test that well inside. I don't really know, but I tend to ride stronger outside. I did find the 20' test essentially 'hell' to complete, but do like numbers to analyze. Lastly I would ride more aggressively if I focused on shorter events, but there are other ways to be more aero without being very low on the bike. When do you do your test Joe? It's gonna be a rough week of work, so planning the 20 min for Mon or Tue and the 3 min Fri or Sat (on the plus side, I'll be bagging a bunch of OT which is going directly to a couple pairs on nice bibs). What do you do to be more aero without being lower? |
| 2011-02-05 1:06 PM in reply to: #3340613 |
| Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Fred Doucette - 2011-02-05 1:40 PM OK 'Beaming Dad' Moment! My 8yo swam at her meet this am. I'm on-call but there was a break in the action so I saw her 4 events. 50 freestyle (all yards) was 48sec 25 back was 22sec! She won her event (2 total heats, 15 girls) 25 breast was 28 sec. which won her heat but not overall. Very, VERY proud! Congrats to her! It is so fun to see our children compete in athletics. Her 50 free is faster than mine |
| 2011-02-05 2:19 PM in reply to: #3340613 |
| Master 1779 | Subject: RE: Fred Doucette's Half-Iron and Ironman Focused Group! -CLOSED! Fred Doucette - 2011-02-05 12:40 PM OK 'Beaming Dad' Moment! My 8yo swam at her meet this am. I'm on-call but there was a break in the action so I saw her 4 events. 50 freestyle (all yards) was 48sec 25 back was 22sec! She won her event (2 total heats, 15 girls) 25 breast was 28 sec. which won her heat but not overall. Very, VERY proud! Congrats! It makes it even better that you were able to be there to watch her swim! Can we start a discussion about race day weight, nutrition and meal planning? What have you found that works the best? Recovery drinks? I need something to drink/eat immediately after my morning workouts in the car on the way to work. Ideas? How did you calculate your racing weight? I've got to get back to my normal weight and then down to racing weight. Since November, I've put on 10 pounds. The weight gain is the result of not being able to work out post op and a bit of depression from not being able to compete at IMFL. My diet isn't the best on a good day. I'm ready to make some significant lifestyle changes. Any ideas? Edited by Catwoman 2011-02-05 2:23 PM |
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