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2013-08-05 10:11 AM
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Nice Job Jamie! heck of an improvement!

Nice work on those long training days Becky!

Ken, everything seems to be in fast forward right now for some reason. Good or bad! but you're kickn' a$$ so no worries! Your races will go great!

Had some good and some bad this weekend. Had a great ride on Saturday. Beautiful weather, lots of friends, and some spirted moments! Had a lot of fun! Sunday it was up at 3am to get my wife over to her race and set up her booth at the finishline. I worked the booth and handed out coupons and took donations for PAWS Chicago while she raced. My wife finished, which is all she wanted. She has been riddled with these allergy issues and hasn't done a lick of training. So she was happy to get through. My Dad finshed his first tri and took 4th in his AG!! He did great, and I'll bet he wins this event next year! We took him over to the bike shop Saturday and got him a new bike too. He's really excited! Got him a Felt B16 Ultegra. REALLY nice bike for the money! My cousin did well too. He took 14th in AG. My coaches wife also finished her first tri and a few more friends had a good day as well. I was a little bummed I didn't get to race, but all the good news made up for it. Then, my cousin and dad made a point to take me aside and thank me for all the inspiration to get them started and time I spent helping them train. That made my day! Unfortunately, when I got home my old black lab had more trouble walking than usual. By nighfall, she wouldn't get off the couch. I had to hold back the tears and carry her upstairs at bedtime. REALLY upset about it. I don't want to come to any conclusions yet. She has 2 doc appt's in the next couple days. Hopefully, they figure something out to make her comfortable and walk again.


2013-08-05 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by RunningJoke Awesome haircut, awesome cause. I can't believe all your IM races are so close, either!!! Where did the summer go? Do you all go crazy during the taper like I do for shorter races? I did a sprint race yesterday. I have a lot of love for this race because it was my first tri ever. I did it on a $50 Huffy mountain bike back in 2003. I remember my time was 1:45, and after it was over I decided to check out the results to see how hard I would have to work if I ever wanted to place. Then I thought, well that will never happen! So I looked to see how long I would have to maintain the same speed to place. Only until age 65! Last year and this year I did it in 1:14 and won my age group (not yet 65, by the way). So much fun to look back at where I was then, and makes me feel like anything is possible. Jaime

That's great Jaime!  It is funny how things seemed so impossible when we first started in this sport and now we are exceeding any and all expectations! 

Congratulations on your AG win! 

2013-08-05 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by rquinn23 Great job, Jamie! You should be really proud of yourself, what a great feeling to see that kind of progress and know that you're capable of so much more than you thought you were! Maggie, congrats on your last long training--2 weeks, right? No ideas on the number, and I'm in the same boat. #477 and it means nothing. So I'm calling it my new lucky number! My biggest volume training weekend went well, though I did not get my recovery ride in today. Yesterday was my longest bike ever at 115 miles in the "hills" of Florida--rollers and short, steep climbs. Took me longer than I would have liked, but I felt okay. Pretty solid 7 mile run off the bike--I think anything would have felt good, though, I was so happy to be off that bike! 20 mile run today went really well, though the first 3 miles were really rough since I was tired from yesterday. 3 more weeks! Hope everyone had a great weekend.

Great work this weekend Becky! 

Although lately it doesn't seem as big a deal, I remember my first 2 IM's they didn't post the numbers until about 2 weeks before the race, and it almost became the fourth discipline guessing what the number would be and the significance of it.  Now they put them out several weeks ahead and it takes away some of the anticipation.  Still fun to find a connection to the number though!

2013-08-05 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Omahabritt Maggie-Well 674 is 2/3 of the way to 1,020, which is how many minutes you have to complete an Ironman. So once you get to 674, you'll know you at least 2/3 done (hopefully more). Jamie-Congrats on winning your age group at your race!! It's always fun to see improvements. Becky-Great job on your long ride! I know what you mean about bring glad to get off the bike & happy to run! Ken-Hope you were able to go faster than your last long bike of 3.5miles in 3.5hrs with that headwind. I tried out my new Cobb seat on my long bike this weekend. What a mistake!! I must have stopped about 8x to try & adjust it so it was so uncomfortable, but was unsuccessful. I made it 106 miles, but most were not pleasant. On the plus side, my back & neck felt better. . I had a 3900 meter swim this am. I really like having that long swim the day after, it really works out the muscles, & I feel great after!

I was a little faster!

Good thing Cobb has a fairly generous return policy.  I had one on my old bike and liked it, but so far haven't needed to transfer it to this bike. 

Great work this weekend Ali!  I hope you figure out the saddle/ 

2013-08-05 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by Meulen Nice Job Jamie! heck of an improvement! Nice work on those long training days Becky! Ken, everything seems to be in fast forward right now for some reason. Good or bad! but you're kickn' a$$ so no worries! Your races will go great! Had some good and some bad this weekend. Had a great ride on Saturday. Beautiful weather, lots of friends, and some spirted moments! Had a lot of fun! Sunday it was up at 3am to get my wife over to her race and set up her booth at the finishline. I worked the booth and handed out coupons and took donations for PAWS Chicago while she raced. My wife finished, which is all she wanted. She has been riddled with these allergy issues and hasn't done a lick of training. So she was happy to get through. My Dad finshed his first tri and took 4th in his AG!! He did great, and I'll bet he wins this event next year! We took him over to the bike shop Saturday and got him a new bike too. He's really excited! Got him a Felt B16 Ultegra. REALLY nice bike for the money! My cousin did well too. He took 14th in AG. My coaches wife also finished her first tri and a few more friends had a good day as well. I was a little bummed I didn't get to race, but all the good news made up for it. Then, my cousin and dad made a point to take me aside and thank me for all the inspiration to get them started and time I spent helping them train. That made my day! Unfortunately, when I got home my old black lab had more trouble walking than usual. By nighfall, she wouldn't get off the couch. I had to hold back the tears and carry her upstairs at bedtime. REALLY upset about it. I don't want to come to any conclusions yet. She has 2 doc appt's in the next couple days. Hopefully, they figure something out to make her comfortable and walk again.

Sounds like a great weekend for your family at the races other than you having to skip it Brian!  It was nice of your dad and cousin to acknowledge your influence!

I hope you get your dog feeling better, it is frustrating and sad to have our pals suffering. 

While we were in CA our dog got into a disagreement during day camp with another dog that put a pretty good cut in her ear.  It required her to be put out so it could be repaired.  It was upsetting to both of us not to be home to help her afterwards.  Fortunately we have a great vet and the people where we board her and take her for day camp take great care of her. 

2013-08-05 10:51 AM
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Rest day for me today, although I have spent some time with the roller and stretching.  Going to get in some strength training as well.   

This is still a bigger training week even though the race is less than 2 weeks out, more because it isn't an A race.  17 mile run on Wednesday and 80 miles on the bike Saturday. 

Races all coming up quick and some great work being done by all of you!!



2013-08-05 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by Meulen Nice Job Jamie! heck of an improvement! Nice work on those long training days Becky! Ken, everything seems to be in fast forward right now for some reason. Good or bad! but you're kickn' a$$ so no worries! Your races will go great! Had some good and some bad this weekend. Had a great ride on Saturday. Beautiful weather, lots of friends, and some spirted moments! Had a lot of fun! Sunday it was up at 3am to get my wife over to her race and set up her booth at the finishline. I worked the booth and handed out coupons and took donations for PAWS Chicago while she raced. My wife finished, which is all she wanted. She has been riddled with these allergy issues and hasn't done a lick of training. So she was happy to get through. My Dad finshed his first tri and took 4th in his AG!! He did great, and I'll bet he wins this event next year! We took him over to the bike shop Saturday and got him a new bike too. He's really excited! Got him a Felt B16 Ultegra. REALLY nice bike for the money! My cousin did well too. He took 14th in AG. My coaches wife also finished her first tri and a few more friends had a good day as well. I was a little bummed I didn't get to race, but all the good news made up for it. Then, my cousin and dad made a point to take me aside and thank me for all the inspiration to get them started and time I spent helping them train. That made my day! Unfortunately, when I got home my old black lab had more trouble walking than usual. By nighfall, she wouldn't get off the couch. I had to hold back the tears and carry her upstairs at bedtime. REALLY upset about it. I don't want to come to any conclusions yet. She has 2 doc appt's in the next couple days. Hopefully, they figure something out to make her comfortable and walk again.

Sounds like a great weekend for your family at the races other than you having to skip it Brian!  It was nice of your dad and cousin to acknowledge your influence!

I hope you get your dog feeling better, it is frustrating and sad to have our pals suffering. 

While we were in CA our dog got into a disagreement during day camp with another dog that put a pretty good cut in her ear.  It required her to be put out so it could be repaired.  It was upsetting to both of us not to be home to help her afterwards.  Fortunately we have a great vet and the people where we board her and take her for day camp take great care of her. 




glad you have someone good to take care of her, and that she's ok! This is why my wife is starting to do so well with her business. People are crazy about their pets, I know....I am too! She watches them in home so they are familiar with their surroundings and comfortable. She also offers a taxi service and will take animals to the vet when needed while people are away. Unfortunately, it happens. When it does, people seem to be happy they have someone with vet asst experience to recognize problems and be able to rectify. She's already had a couple of people have to use the taxi service to take care problems. There was lilly incident and a couple of sickensses. All of our employees also have vet asst. experience. There are a certain clientel that REALLY appreciates that. Growth seems to be leaps and bounds. I hope it keeps up that way so she can make a living at it!
2013-08-05 9:06 PM
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Back from several weeks of house guests - soooo tired!!! Very little training for my marathon in Oct. but got in a lot of hiking, so hopefully that helps some! I have a couple weeks before the next round of guests and before the kids head back to school - going to try and get the miles in!

I hope everyone is kicking butt in their training and races!!!! Hopefully I can be a bit better about posting now!
2013-08-06 4:42 AM
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Originally posted by robingray_260 Back from several weeks of house guests - soooo tired!!! Very little training for my marathon in Oct. but got in a lot of hiking, so hopefully that helps some! I have a couple weeks before the next round of guests and before the kids head back to school - going to try and get the miles in! I hope everyone is kicking butt in their training and races!!!! Hopefully I can be a bit better about posting now!

Glad to hear from you again Robin, you had mentioned you had some busy time coming up!

2013-08-06 7:32 AM
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Well...I might be going into a busy time. May not get much done. My poor dog has a partial tear of her ACL. Good and Bad I guess. Good that there is a chance to get her some quality of life back. Bad, it's kinda touch and go. If she injurs it anymore that's it. She's too old to be a surgery candidate. So I may be running her back and forth to hydro therapy and laser treatment for a while.
2013-08-06 8:10 AM
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Originally posted by Meulen Well...I might be going into a busy time. May not get much done. My poor dog has a partial tear of her ACL. Good and Bad I guess. Good that there is a chance to get her some quality of life back. Bad, it's kinda touch and go. If she injurs it anymore that's it. She's too old to be a surgery candidate. So I may be running her back and forth to hydro therapy and laser treatment for a while.

I hope the hydro therapy works out Brian! 



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With 12 weeks to go to my IM race its crunch time for me... I have what I feel is a good plan to get me through this time which is realistic to what I can accomplish with my limited time. Interestingly enough, I already had to change things around to accommodate some last minute commitments this week. Made it to the pool this morning and swam 1 mile. I was happy with how I felt considering I have only swam a few time this year so now my goal is to start increasing the distances over the next 10 weeks with a two week taper.

Nutrition continues to be a concern for me as I seem to still struggle with the right mix during the run. My body seems to do well with gatorade for hydration and I sweat like crazy, but need to test some different nutrition combinations to see what works best. I other words, how many gels per hour etc. I do well on the bike with perpetuem, but on the run, I can't take it because it causes too much gas. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
2013-08-06 8:54 AM
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With 12 weeks to go to my IM race its crunch time for me... I have what I feel is a good plan to get me through this time which is realistic to what I can accomplish with my limited time. Interestingly enough, I already had to change things around to accommodate some last minute commitments this week. Made it to the pool this morning and swam 1 mile. I was happy with how I felt considering I have only swam a few time this year so now my goal is to start increasing the distances over the next 10 weeks with a two week taper.

Nutrition continues to be a concern for me as I seem to still struggle with the right mix during the run. My body seems to do well with gatorade for hydration and I sweat like crazy, but need to test some different nutrition combinations to see what works best. I other words, how many gels per hour etc. I do well on the bike with perpetuem, but on the run, I can't take it because it causes too much gas. Any thoughts would be appreciated.


Good luck Eddie!

What kind of nutrition problems are you having? Are you just running out of energy, or cramping up, something different? That will play into your nutrition strategy. I can't remember, but I think you said you were lacking on some training time. You have to be realistic about that. If you aren't putting in big hours per week, you can't expect to not have problems late in the race. When you do a canned HIM/IM/marathon plan (whatever the event) they really only introduce you to the problems that will occur late into long days. It takes some time actually putting in long workout weeks to actually get used them. The cramping and energy drain that you experience is usually more likely a lack of fitness than a lack of nutrition. One of the top Ironman AG'ers once told me that most triathletes are likely to over do nutrition/hydration. That just leads to gas/bloating/stomach cramps. There's a fine line. Personally, I believe your off season diet is part of it. There are some successfull athlete's that I know of, that are now doing fasting, and short stents of protein diets to train their body to burn fat more efficiently come race time. That way your body doesn't need to take in all those gels/sugary sports drinks. So if you have to miss one for a stomach issue it's not a big deal. Water alone is just fine for a good portion of the race. If you are cramping I'd look at adding some salt pills/tabs. Otherwise, a good starting point is a gell every 45min. But be realistic. No amount of nutrition is going to save you from energy drain if you aren't used to the distance. Nutriion isn't magic, it's just science.
2013-08-06 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by ramiedd

With 12 weeks to go to my IM race its crunch time for me... I have what I feel is a good plan to get me through this time which is realistic to what I can accomplish with my limited time. Interestingly enough, I already had to change things around to accommodate some last minute commitments this week. Made it to the pool this morning and swam 1 mile. I was happy with how I felt considering I have only swam a few time this year so now my goal is to start increasing the distances over the next 10 weeks with a two week taper.

Nutrition continues to be a concern for me as I seem to still struggle with the right mix during the run. My body seems to do well with gatorade for hydration and I sweat like crazy, but need to test some different nutrition combinations to see what works best. I other words, how many gels per hour etc. I do well on the bike with perpetuem, but on the run, I can't take it because it causes too much gas. Any thoughts would be appreciated.


Good luck Eddie!

What kind of nutrition problems are you having? Are you just running out of energy, or cramping up, something different? That will play into your nutrition strategy. I can't remember, but I think you said you were lacking on some training time. You have to be realistic about that. If you aren't putting in big hours per week, you can't expect to not have problems late in the race. When you do a canned HIM/IM/marathon plan (whatever the event) they really only introduce you to the problems that will occur late into long days. It takes some time actually putting in long workout weeks to actually get used them. The cramping and energy drain that you experience is usually more likely a lack of fitness than a lack of nutrition. One of the top Ironman AG'ers once told me that most triathletes are likely to over do nutrition/hydration. That just leads to gas/bloating/stomach cramps. There's a fine line. Personally, I believe your off season diet is part of it. There are some successfull athlete's that I know of, that are now doing fasting, and short stents of protein diets to train their body to burn fat more efficiently come race time. That way your body doesn't need to take in all those gels/sugary sports drinks. So if you have to miss one for a stomach issue it's not a big deal. Water alone is just fine for a good portion of the race. If you are cramping I'd look at adding some salt pills/tabs. Otherwise, a good starting point is a gell every 45min. But be realistic. No amount of nutrition is going to save you from energy drain if you aren't used to the distance. Nutriion isn't magic, it's just science.


You are right that there are some definite lack fitness issues I will run into and I am mentally preparing for that and figuring out pacing strategies to help me throughout the day. I would probably not categorize them as problems as much as finding out what will work best particularly on the run. The bike does not worry me, I have gone on century rides in March after not being on the bike for 6 months. now, fueling on the run, so far I have not practiced enough to make a determination as to what is is the right mix of gel to water etc. My longest run so far has been 13 miles. I took one gel halfway through and drank gatorade. I started fading towards the end, but I probably could have used another gel. I will try the gel every 40 minutes on my 2 hour run later this week and see how that works. Just need to experiment with a few things and then once I feel dialed in, repeat it the last 5 or 6 weeks.
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Originally posted by Meulen

Originally posted by ramiedd

With 12 weeks to go to my IM race its crunch time for me... I have what I feel is a good plan to get me through this time which is realistic to what I can accomplish with my limited time. Interestingly enough, I already had to change things around to accommodate some last minute commitments this week. Made it to the pool this morning and swam 1 mile. I was happy with how I felt considering I have only swam a few time this year so now my goal is to start increasing the distances over the next 10 weeks with a two week taper.

Nutrition continues to be a concern for me as I seem to still struggle with the right mix during the run. My body seems to do well with gatorade for hydration and I sweat like crazy, but need to test some different nutrition combinations to see what works best. I other words, how many gels per hour etc. I do well on the bike with perpetuem, but on the run, I can't take it because it causes too much gas. Any thoughts would be appreciated.


Good luck Eddie!

What kind of nutrition problems are you having? Are you just running out of energy, or cramping up, something different? That will play into your nutrition strategy. I can't remember, but I think you said you were lacking on some training time. You have to be realistic about that. If you aren't putting in big hours per week, you can't expect to not have problems late in the race. When you do a canned HIM/IM/marathon plan (whatever the event) they really only introduce you to the problems that will occur late into long days. It takes some time actually putting in long workout weeks to actually get used them. The cramping and energy drain that you experience is usually more likely a lack of fitness than a lack of nutrition. One of the top Ironman AG'ers once told me that most triathletes are likely to over do nutrition/hydration. That just leads to gas/bloating/stomach cramps. There's a fine line. Personally, I believe your off season diet is part of it. There are some successfull athlete's that I know of, that are now doing fasting, and short stents of protein diets to train their body to burn fat more efficiently come race time. That way your body doesn't need to take in all those gels/sugary sports drinks. So if you have to miss one for a stomach issue it's not a big deal. Water alone is just fine for a good portion of the race. If you are cramping I'd look at adding some salt pills/tabs. Otherwise, a good starting point is a gell every 45min. But be realistic. No amount of nutrition is going to save you from energy drain if you aren't used to the distance. Nutriion isn't magic, it's just science.


You are right that there are some definite lack fitness issues I will run into and I am mentally preparing for that and figuring out pacing strategies to help me throughout the day. I would probably not categorize them as problems as much as finding out what will work best particularly on the run. The bike does not worry me, I have gone on century rides in March after not being on the bike for 6 months. now, fueling on the run, so far I have not practiced enough to make a determination as to what is is the right mix of gel to water etc. My longest run so far has been 13 miles. I took one gel halfway through and drank gatorade. I started fading towards the end, but I probably could have used another gel. I will try the gel every 40 minutes on my 2 hour run later this week and see how that works. Just need to experiment with a few things and then once I feel dialed in, repeat it the last 5 or 6 weeks.


good plan Eddie! I would be careful with taking gels with gatorade. Usually that's a recipe for stomach issues. Get your cals from one or the other. Not both at the same time. Maybe you'll want to try gels for first couple hours and then switch to sports drink.
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good plan Eddie! I would be careful with taking gels with gatorade. Usually that's a recipe for stomach issues. Get your cals from one or the other. Not both at the same time. Maybe you'll want to try gels for first couple hours and then switch to sports drink.


Definitely see your point... I may also try just water for hydration and the gels for a long run and see how I do with that.

Thanks for the advise.


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Originally posted by ramiedd With 12 weeks to go to my IM race its crunch time for me... I have what I feel is a good plan to get me through this time which is realistic to what I can accomplish with my limited time. Interestingly enough, I already had to change things around to accommodate some last minute commitments this week. Made it to the pool this morning and swam 1 mile. I was happy with how I felt considering I have only swam a few time this year so now my goal is to start increasing the distances over the next 10 weeks with a two week taper. Nutrition continues to be a concern for me as I seem to still struggle with the right mix during the run. My body seems to do well with gatorade for hydration and I sweat like crazy, but need to test some different nutrition combinations to see what works best. I other words, how many gels per hour etc. I do well on the bike with perpetuem, but on the run, I can't take it because it causes too much gas. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Good luck Eddie! What kind of nutrition problems are you having? Are you just running out of energy, or cramping up, something different? That will play into your nutrition strategy. I can't remember, but I think you said you were lacking on some training time. You have to be realistic about that. If you aren't putting in big hours per week, you can't expect to not have problems late in the race. When you do a canned HIM/IM/marathon plan (whatever the event) they really only introduce you to the problems that will occur late into long days. It takes some time actually putting in long workout weeks to actually get used them. The cramping and energy drain that you experience is usually more likely a lack of fitness than a lack of nutrition. One of the top Ironman AG'ers once told me that most triathletes are likely to over do nutrition/hydration. That just leads to gas/bloating/stomach cramps. There's a fine line. Personally, I believe your off season diet is part of it. There are some successfull athlete's that I know of, that are now doing fasting, and short stents of protein diets to train their body to burn fat more efficiently come race time. That way your body doesn't need to take in all those gels/sugary sports drinks. So if you have to miss one for a stomach issue it's not a big deal. Water alone is just fine for a good portion of the race. If you are cramping I'd look at adding some salt pills/tabs. Otherwise, a good starting point is a gell every 45min. But be realistic. No amount of nutrition is going to save you from energy drain if you aren't used to the distance. Nutriion isn't magic, it's just science.
You are right that there are some definite lack fitness issues I will run into and I am mentally preparing for that and figuring out pacing strategies to help me throughout the day. I would probably not categorize them as problems as much as finding out what will work best particularly on the run. The bike does not worry me, I have gone on century rides in March after not being on the bike for 6 months. now, fueling on the run, so far I have not practiced enough to make a determination as to what is is the right mix of gel to water etc. My longest run so far has been 13 miles. I took one gel halfway through and drank gatorade. I started fading towards the end, but I probably could have used another gel. I will try the gel every 40 minutes on my 2 hour run later this week and see how that works. Just need to experiment with a few things and then once I feel dialed in, repeat it the last 5 or 6 weeks.
good plan Eddie! I would be careful with taking gels with gatorade. Usually that's a recipe for stomach issues. Get your cals from one or the other. Not both at the same time. Maybe you'll want to try gels for first couple hours and then switch to sports drink.

What works for me, and it is an individual thing to some extent, is about 300 calories an hour on the bike.  About 20 - 24 oz of water and sports drink an hour with the balance of the calories coming from gel, blocks, etc.  For IM, some of that for me is going to come in a PB sandwich in special needs as I need a little something solid.  If it is hot, I add in a couple of endurolytes an hour. 

For the run, I drop this to 200 calories an hour, with a cut back in the amount of hydration and it may come from sports drink, water or towards the end coke.  I also like orange slices if they are available.  If I use more water than sports drink, I will add the endurolytes for the run too.  I'll carry a gel flask for the run, but adjust how much I use from how I feel. 

I like the EFS products which are never on the course, so I have all my own for the bike.  I try to live off the course for the run, but car the EFS gel flask as a back up. 

Temperature creates variables that require an occasional adjustment on the fly.  If I get feeling bloated I try and cut back some.  Although, if I don't pay attention to it, I tend to under drink/eat rather than over do it. 

This is what works for me, I weigh about 170 pounds so if you are lighter you might want to try less, heavier maybe a bit more.  But the most important thing is to try it in training so you know what works. 

2013-08-06 2:23 PM
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Originally posted by ramiedd good plan Eddie! I would be careful with taking gels with gatorade. Usually that's a recipe for stomach issues. Get your cals from one or the other. Not both at the same time. Maybe you'll want to try gels for first couple hours and then switch to sports drink.
Definitely see your point... I may also try just water for hydration and the gels for a long run and see how I do with that. Thanks for the advise.

Two other points, first; what works on a stand alone long run may or may not work on race day due to the efforts of the bike and swim as opposed to starting fresh.  The other factor is how well you do taking in nutrition on the bike.  Start with the tank full, or just under full and you are good.  Over fill, or under fill on the bike and you start the run in a bit of trouble.  Although I would take under every time.  It is a bit easier to catch up than to get rid of being over full.

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Thanks for the discussion about nutrition guys. It is always helpful to read what others are doing. I trained with HEED last summer for the half, since that is what they have on course and it worked well for me. I know a lot of people complain about the taste, but it didn't bother me at all. And, my new found favorite thing is definitely Honey Stinger Waffles (chocolate). Oh, my! Why did it take me so long to find out about these? I had them on my last long bike and they seem to work okay for me. I will have to experiment a bit more. I know others have races much closer than mine, but I think that I am freaking out a bit. I am worried about not training enough, not doing long enough sessions, not going hard enough, I am worried about the little aches and pains that I have. Then I look at other people's logs and really get freaked out!!

I had a pretty good weekend. I got in an 11 mile run on Saturday. It felt good. However, my sports bra did find a new place to rub me raw! I didn't even realize it happened until I got in the shower!! I spent Saturday evening with my husband at the race track. It was nice to relax and spend some time with him. It seems like that hasn't happened a lot lately. I already feel like I am neglecting him!

Sunday turned into a rest day. I am glad to hear that I am not the only one who has been dragging and falling asleep. Since I was out way past my bed time on Saturday, I needed the rest! Hopefully it will help some. My bike last night got turned into a run because I didn't get home from work until an hour after I had planned. Then, my swim this morning got cut short because I spent 15 minutes herding the cat in the yard after she escaped out the front door. Every time I would get close to her, she would dart just out of my reach! Talk about frustrating! Brian, I hope your dog responds well to the therapy! My dog and cat are part of the family!! I am looking forward to my bike after work tonight. It has been one of those days where I need a good bike ride to rid myself of the crappiness of the day. Ever have a day like that??

Hope the training is going well!

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2013-08-07 8:27 AM
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Originally posted by gadgetlaw Thanks for the discussion about nutrition guys. It is always helpful to read what others are doing. I trained with HEED last summer for the half, since that is what they have on course and it worked well for me. I know a lot of people complain about the taste, but it didn't bother me at all. And, my new found favorite thing is definitely Honey Stinger Waffles (chocolate). Oh, my! Why did it take me so long to find out about these? I had them on my last long bike and they seem to work okay for me. I will have to experiment a bit more. I know others have races much closer than mine, but I think that I am freaking out a bit. I am worried about not training enough, not doing long enough sessions, not going hard enough, I am worried about the little aches and pains that I have. Then I look at other people's logs and really get freaked out!! I had a pretty good weekend. I got in an 11 mile run on Saturday. It felt good. However, my sports bra did find a new place to rub me raw! I didn't even realize it happened until I got in the shower!! I spent Saturday evening with my husband at the race track. It was nice to relax and spend some time with him. It seems like that hasn't happened a lot lately. I already feel like I am neglecting him! Sunday turned into a rest day. I am glad to hear that I am not the only one who has been dragging and falling asleep. Since I was out way past my bed time on Saturday, I needed the rest! Hopefully it will help some. My bike last night got turned into a run because I didn't get home from work until an hour after I had planned. Then, my swim this morning got cut short because I spent 15 minutes herding the cat in the yard after she escaped out the front door. Every time I would get close to her, she would dart just out of my reach! Talk about frustrating! Brian, I hope your dog responds well to the therapy! My dog and cat are part of the family!! I am looking forward to my bike after work tonight. It has been one of those days where I need a good bike ride to rid myself of the crappiness of the day. Ever have a day like that?? Hope the training is going well! Karen

Just trust the plan Karen!  Great work!

The best part of long run training is hopping in the shower and finding where the chaffing was this time!  Tongue out This week I bought a new fuel belt so the chaffing was around the hip pointers! 

I had always heard that herding cats was challenging, but have never tried it!  

 

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17 miles in the books this morning.  Getting tougher to get that much in on a weekday morning, as I have to drive into town so I can start before dark on the lighted roads.  It didn't help that the coffee pot decided today was a good day to retire.  No coffee, no running!  Fortunately we have another one in the RV so I went out and got that one. 

How is everyone else doing this week?



2013-08-07 5:47 PM
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Enjoying the nutrition discussion from here as well. I've GOT to get this figured out for my HIM as well. I like the Hammer gels/ Heed and the EFS liquid shots, I just have to get them in!! And I need some longer training sessions to practice.

Thankfully, did not seem to need much recovery from my sprint race this weekend. I'm trying to stay consistent with my strength training, though, and THAT makes me sore. Looking forward to a hard bike ride tomorrow and a good run on Friday.

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2013-08-08 8:07 AM
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Great week for me so far. Getting all of my planned workouts. 1 mile swim on Tuesday and 1.25 mile swim this morning. Happy about starting that build up after only being in the pool a few times this year. Off tomorrow and long ride Saturday morning... 90 minute run yesterday and started to test and did Gatorade only for the run. Next week I will try 1 gel before and one half way with water and see how that takes me through it...

Thanks again for all of the thoughts and advise.
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Originally posted by kenj

Just trust the plan Karen!  Great work!

The best part of long run training is hopping in the shower and finding where the chaffing was this time!  Tongue out This week I bought a new fuel belt so the chaffing was around the hip pointers! 

I had always heard that herding cats was challenging, but have never tried it!  

 




I know! I do trust the plan. My plans worked the past 2 years for my halfs. This Full thing is just something new and crazy! When I let those doubts creep in, I try to remind myself of my successes in the past! Sometimes it is just harder than others!
So, speaking of all this nutrition stuff, my plan has been to just keep doing what has worked on my halfs previously. Basically, I have been practicing using the same things in the same amounts per hour that I did before. Is there some basic issue that I am missing for a Full or do you guys think that will work?

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2013-08-08 10:02 AM
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Air temperature was in the upper 40s this morning in northern Wisconsin. I bagged my open water swim and instead did a short brick with gloves and a headband on. My toes still got cold.

I have an open water swim race this weekend: Bayfield to Madeline Island via Lake Superior (2.1miles). The race director has said the water temps are hovering around 60-61* (quite a bit colder than usual). I feel an ice cream headache coming on!

My nutrition plan for Ironman is probably weird by most standards: coconut water for hydration and dates for nutrition along with some saltstick capsules. It has worked well for me on my long training rides. I plan to live off the course more for the run. i have some concern about that as has been indicated; its hard to know what you will tolerate at that distance.

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