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2014-04-03 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

Sigh. TAN, there's a new chapter in my ongoing saga.

The harasser has resorted to anonymous means of harassment. Like, a complaint to animal control. And, yes, I'm certain it was from him and not a legit call. 

Pretty sure my mom is one more incident away from driving out here, picking me up, and moving me home.

Is there anyway you can move your active duty up to like right now so you can get out of town?  Or get a field assignment from your company, preferably in another country.  I think if he can't find you for a while he will move on to other obsessions.  

 

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2014-04-03 12:40 PM
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I'm basically anti-stalker guy.  It almost has the opposite effect...

They break up with me?  I'm COMPLETELY off the radar.  Unless it's something I absolutely need and they have it?  I don't try to get anything back.  I don't call, I don't write, or text - remove any social media links and stop attending common events/places.  If they need stuff?  It's in a box outside my door.  ANYTHING.  It must be unnerving for them because they usually end up reaching back out to me - which is usually a VERY brief "yes or no" conversation.  They will say stuff like "sorry" and miss the good times.  I'm like "well, not my fault"...

I figure, if it's going to end, then end it all together and do it hard and fast.  No point stretching the moving on phase out with conversations and questions asking "why" or what I can do to make it right...

 

I say that now like I'm a tough guy.  But if my wife wanted out?  I would fight hard.  But, that's marriage vs dating, I suppose.

 

2014-04-03 12:44 PM
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Almost 11am.  I'm impressed.  I almost wasted an entire morning...

2014-04-03 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

He doesn't know about it... yet. 

I'm just constantly waiting for what's next. It's obnoxious. 

Lucky for me, the animal control people were very nice - and said in order for anything to come out of the complaint, the person who filed it needs to complain at least 1 more time, show evidence and show up in court (if it escalates that far). If he were to show up in court and follow up on the complaint, he'd have to be near my house to collect "evidence" of my dog barking all day and being left alone for long periods of time. This would be him admitting in court to being near my house, which is a violation of the restraining order. 

I'm hoping that just ignoring him will make him eventually give up. I mean, that's what I was taught in grade school when I was bullied.

That seems the "normal" approach.  If you don't show it bothers you, then he will get bored.  That's was sane people think.  But again, maybe he need attention SO much, that it escalate until he gets a response?  Again, no predicting crazy.

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about the dog thing.  Just aggravating to get the letter like you did something wrong and have to deal with it.  As long as you follow up with them nicely, it shouldn't be an issue..  I had a dog problem once.  The first call just went into a file, a second may warrant a visit from them with a note on the door.  A third may have been a police visit.  I also think they would have like OTHER neighbors to complain.  Also, during ONE of those visits, they had to witness the problem.  I'm sure the protocol changes slightly, but their can't be a witch hunt for animals - there has to be proof of a problem.

I'm sure this is a one and done IF he finds out what he needs to do next to escalate.

Do you look up and down the street when you come/go?  Thought about cameras or security system if you don't have them?

 

Again, at a different level.  But this is like vandalism.  They get momentary joy from doing something that takes seconds out of their day, but screws you up for hours.  He could be going about his day and say "oh, time to make the call to animal control"  BOOM, 60 seconds later, he's back to work without a second thought.  You, however, have to clean it up for 10-15 minutes or longer.  Fines, paper trails.

Kid takes 3 seconds to run a key down the side of your car then goes about their day?  You are out of a car for days and $500.  They don't hang out to see the result of their work - they just move on and leave the mess for someone else.  SOOOO aggravating to me.  In a way, I would rather have a computer taken from my car.  At least they can use it or sell it.  Yeah, I have to pay to get a new one.  But vandalism or something like this?  They get NOTHING out of it and you STILL have to do all the work.  Shoot!   At least get something out of doing a crime if you are going to do it!

I'm making some arrangements for the rest of my time in town. I do check my street - not just when I get home either. The dog and I like to spend a lot of time just chilling outside, so I check when I hear cars/stuff. I live off a busy road, but my road is a pretty quiet side road. 



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2014-04-03 12:58 PM
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Subject: RE: TAN #203: TANese New Year - Horsing Around

Originally posted by tech_geezer

Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

Sigh. TAN, there's a new chapter in my ongoing saga.

The harasser has resorted to anonymous means of harassment. Like, a complaint to animal control. And, yes, I'm certain it was from him and not a legit call. 

Pretty sure my mom is one more incident away from driving out here, picking me up, and moving me home.

Is there anyway you can move your active duty up to like right now so you can get out of town?  Or get a field assignment from your company, preferably in another country.  I think if he can't find you for a while he will move on to other obsessions.  

 

TW

I'd love to. 

My job is CRAZY right now, and we're scheduled to deliver the project right before I leave. I am going to talk to my commander about missing a drill weekend if I skip town early. And if it continues like this, I'll consider peacing out early.

2014-04-03 1:04 PM
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Originally posted by Kido

I'm basically anti-stalker guy.  It almost has the opposite effect...

They break up with me?  I'm COMPLETELY off the radar.  Unless it's something I absolutely need and they have it?  I don't try to get anything back.  I don't call, I don't write, or text - remove any social media links and stop attending common events/places.  If they need stuff?  It's in a box outside my door.  ANYTHING.  It must be unnerving for them because they usually end up reaching back out to me - which is usually a VERY brief "yes or no" conversation.  They will say stuff like "sorry" and miss the good times.  I'm like "well, not my fault"...

I figure, if it's going to end, then end it all together and do it hard and fast.  No point stretching the moving on phase out with conversations and questions asking "why" or what I can do to make it right...

I say that now like I'm a tough guy.  But if my wife wanted out?  I would fight hard.  But, that's marriage vs dating, I suppose.

Exactly. I've had guys I've dated short term get hurt that they left and I didn't fight to keep them. Um.. sorry I didn't like you enough for that.

But marriage - well - that's more of an investment emotionally.



2014-04-03 1:46 PM
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Subject: RE: TAN #203: TANese New Year - Horsing Around

Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

Sigh. TAN, there's a new chapter in my ongoing saga.

The harasser has resorted to anonymous means of harassment. Like, a complaint to animal control. And, yes, I'm certain it was from him and not a legit call. 

Pretty sure my mom is one more incident away from driving out here, picking me up, and moving me home.

Ugh - Elaine, I'm both sorry and pizzed off that you're having to go through this.  I saw your post on FB about him contacting people you know and my first thought was, shouldn't there be some way for a retraining order to cover this kind of sh*t??  

I really hope the tactic of ignoring him works, he seems somewhat... unstable.    

2014-04-03 1:47 PM
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If I can put something in the list of really cool things that I've seen lately... 

Beer Fridge

It made my heart smile.  

2014-04-03 2:08 PM
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Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl

Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

Sigh. TAN, there's a new chapter in my ongoing saga.

The harasser has resorted to anonymous means of harassment. Like, a complaint to animal control. And, yes, I'm certain it was from him and not a legit call. 

Pretty sure my mom is one more incident away from driving out here, picking me up, and moving me home.

Ugh - Elaine, I'm both sorry and pizzed off that you're having to go through this.  I saw your post on FB about him contacting people you know and my first thought was, shouldn't there be some way for a retraining order to cover this kind of sh*t??  

I really hope the tactic of ignoring him works, he seems somewhat... unstable.    

I've got one, which he's violated a large number of times. Finally, though, the police are taking it seriously. It was a rough few weeks, but I understand that the cops assume that things die down after an initial "cooling off" period (which they usually do), and that since he wasn't showing up or making threats (except for one time), they weren't too proactive initially. Though they were helpful, sympathetic and genuinely concerned.

Unfortunately it protects no one aside from myself, and it doesn't protect me if he contacts me through anonymous means - like false phone numbers or animal control complaints. 

2014-04-03 2:09 PM
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Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl

If I can put something in the list of really cool things that I've seen lately... 

Beer Fridge

It made my heart smile.  

Ha! That is awesome!!

2014-04-03 4:04 PM
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Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl

Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

Sigh. TAN, there's a new chapter in my ongoing saga.

The harasser has resorted to anonymous means of harassment. Like, a complaint to animal control. And, yes, I'm certain it was from him and not a legit call. 

Pretty sure my mom is one more incident away from driving out here, picking me up, and moving me home.

Ugh - Elaine, I'm both sorry and pizzed off that you're having to go through this.  I saw your post on FB about him contacting people you know and my first thought was, shouldn't there be some way for a retraining order to cover this kind of sh*t??  

I really hope the tactic of ignoring him works, he seems somewhat... unstable.    

I've got one, which he's violated a large number of times. Finally, though, the police are taking it seriously. It was a rough few weeks, but I understand that the cops assume that things die down after an initial "cooling off" period (which they usually do), and that since he wasn't showing up or making threats (except for one time), they weren't too proactive initially. Though they were helpful, sympathetic and genuinely concerned.

Unfortunately it protects no one aside from myself, and it doesn't protect me if he contacts me through anonymous means - like false phone numbers or animal control complaints. 

 

Someone needs to drop this guy.  Nobody has a right to impose themselves like this.

Did I read right a while back that you said he's a former SEAL?  I wonder if any guys in that community would sit him down and "correct" him.

 

 



2014-04-03 4:42 PM
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Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl

Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

Sigh. TAN, there's a new chapter in my ongoing saga.

The harasser has resorted to anonymous means of harassment. Like, a complaint to animal control. And, yes, I'm certain it was from him and not a legit call. 

Pretty sure my mom is one more incident away from driving out here, picking me up, and moving me home.

Ugh - Elaine, I'm both sorry and pizzed off that you're having to go through this.  I saw your post on FB about him contacting people you know and my first thought was, shouldn't there be some way for a retraining order to cover this kind of sh*t??  

I really hope the tactic of ignoring him works, he seems somewhat... unstable.    

I've got one, which he's violated a large number of times. Finally, though, the police are taking it seriously. It was a rough few weeks, but I understand that the cops assume that things die down after an initial "cooling off" period (which they usually do), and that since he wasn't showing up or making threats (except for one time), they weren't too proactive initially. Though they were helpful, sympathetic and genuinely concerned.

Unfortunately it protects no one aside from myself, and it doesn't protect me if he contacts me through anonymous means - like false phone numbers or animal control complaints. 

Someone needs to drop this guy.  Nobody has a right to impose themselves like this.

Did I read right a while back that you said he's a former SEAL?  I wonder if any guys in that community would sit him down and "correct" him.

I'd love to reach out to someone who could help or even distract him, but I have no idea where to start.

2014-04-03 9:55 PM
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Late night drive by TANing... Its been a while!

Wow Elain that crap is STILL going on??

Well if you ever need to escape to another country look north... I'll trade you a place to hide for swim coaching :-)

2014-04-04 8:18 AM
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Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

Originally posted by cgregg

Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl

Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

Sigh. TAN, there's a new chapter in my ongoing saga.

The harasser has resorted to anonymous means of harassment. Like, a complaint to animal control. And, yes, I'm certain it was from him and not a legit call. 

Pretty sure my mom is one more incident away from driving out here, picking me up, and moving me home.

Ugh - Elaine, I'm both sorry and pizzed off that you're having to go through this.  I saw your post on FB about him contacting people you know and my first thought was, shouldn't there be some way for a retraining order to cover this kind of sh*t??  

I really hope the tactic of ignoring him works, he seems somewhat... unstable.    

I've got one, which he's violated a large number of times. Finally, though, the police are taking it seriously. It was a rough few weeks, but I understand that the cops assume that things die down after an initial "cooling off" period (which they usually do), and that since he wasn't showing up or making threats (except for one time), they weren't too proactive initially. Though they were helpful, sympathetic and genuinely concerned.

Unfortunately it protects no one aside from myself, and it doesn't protect me if he contacts me through anonymous means - like false phone numbers or animal control complaints. 

Someone needs to drop this guy.  Nobody has a right to impose themselves like this.

Did I read right a while back that you said he's a former SEAL?  I wonder if any guys in that community would sit him down and "correct" him.

I'd love to reach out to someone who could help or even distract him, but I have no idea where to start.

 

I have no idea how much good it'd do, but I know a guy that was in the teams that I could bounce things off of.

 

 

2014-04-04 8:34 AM
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I know some people too. With just a few details I think we could change his ways.

Although I should add they're probably not the same people Chris knows....

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2014-04-04 8:43 AM
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Elaine,
there is a website called Socnet.com you could check out to find out if his claims to be a SEAL are real if you care or not. This site has specific rules on joining and such so look around before you jump in with your request if you decide to go that route just to find out. You don't have to be military to join. Sorry you are having to deal with this mess.


2014-04-04 9:45 AM
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Anyhow you people, its almost the weekend here. Plans include in between dropping off and picking up younger daughter tonight, stopping off at the sports betting place and getting some final basketball bets in. Tomorrow maybe a short early morning bike ride and a full day of baseball league and some umpiring, followed by a dinner thing I have little or no interest in going to and will struggle to stay awake. Sunday a morning run, grocery shopping for the week, and maybe an afternoon nap out on the terrace....
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No big plans here.  I hope to water ski, but JWKHM has a problem with her foot that may prevent her from getting down to the boat.  She's the driver when I ski.  I think the water temp is in the high 50's.  Air temp will be 70's on Sunday.  It is marginal.  I might get my neighbor to drive if J can't make it down the hill.  I want to have the Facebook picture of the Geezer skiing in early April.  

Speaking of Facebook, Geezerette #3 put up a picture of J and me when we were in college along side of one of her and her fiancé.   One of J's former students commented she was a "stone-cold fox".  I had to laugh.  I married way up.

Dogwoods and azaleas are just beginning to open up.  Tennessee is beautiful all the time but spring here is a spectacular succession of blooming things.



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TG excellent comment in the dream job thread. Good luck with the waterskiing.

Oh and pretty much all the guys I know have that in common as far as marrying up goes....

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Originally posted by gr33n TG excellent comment in the dream job thread. Good luck with the waterskiing. Oh and pretty much all the guys I know have that in common as far as marrying up goes....

Thanks.  Your comment was good too. Mine was pretty obvious stuff.  UM will figure it out by himself.  He just needs to holler and hear the echo come back today.  One of those services we provide.

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2014-04-04 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by gr33n I know some people too. With just a few details I think we could change his ways. Although I should add they're probably not the same people Chris knows....

 

Heheh, I like how this sounds

 

 



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Originally posted by tech_geezer

Originally posted by gr33n TG excellent comment in the dream job thread. Good luck with the waterskiing. Oh and pretty much all the guys I know have that in common as far as marrying up goes....

Thanks.  Your comment was good too. Mine was pretty obvious stuff.  UM will figure it out by himself.  He just needs to holler and hear the echo come back today.  One of those services we provide.

TW

Maybe I'm too cynical, but I don't even subscribe to the "dream job" thing.  I think some people get lucky and do the work they love to do AND get the recognition and compensation that they want as well.  However, for 99% of us?  As long as you don't get out of bed and want to cry that you have to go in to work, and make a decent salary for what you are doing?  That's should be worth something.

I REALLY like engineering.  I even think about it when I'm not at work and love to look at how things were engineered in the past - just how my mind works.  To study and research how things are built.  Love it.  AND I get paid decent enough to do it?  YAY!  BUT, do I "love" everyone I work with?  Do I want to get paid more?  I hate billing, I dislike some clients, I dislike the city/county review process.  A dream job would be one where there are no (or few) negatives - I want to hear about the "job" that provides that.

I don't think I appreciated it in the past as much as I should, but if I could be paid to be a full time student?  BEST JOB IN THE WORLD.  I love learning, so to get paid to do it?  WIN.  Not sure why I thought college was such a grind.  I would go back in a heartbeat if I didn't need to earn.



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Originally posted by Kido

Originally posted by tech_geezer

Originally posted by gr33n TG excellent comment in the dream job thread. Good luck with the waterskiing. Oh and pretty much all the guys I know have that in common as far as marrying up goes....

Thanks.  Your comment was good too. Mine was pretty obvious stuff.  UM will figure it out by himself.  He just needs to holler and hear the echo come back today.  One of those services we provide.

TW

Maybe I'm too cynical, but I don't even subscribe to the "dream job" thing.  I think some people get lucky and do the work they love to do AND get the recognition and compensation that they want as well.  However, for 99% of us?  As long as you don't get out of bed and want to cry that you have to go in to work, and make a decent salary for what you are doing?  That's should be worth something.

I REALLY like engineering.  I even think about it when I'm not at work and love to look at how things were engineered in the past - just how my mind works.  To study and research how things are built.  Love it.  AND I get paid decent enough to do it?  YAY!  BUT, do I "love" everyone I work with?  Do I want to get paid more?  I hate billing, I dislike some clients, I dislike the city/county review process.  A dream job would be one where there are no (or few) negatives - I want to hear about the "job" that provides that.

I don't think I appreciated it in the past as much as I should, but if I could be paid to be a full time student?  BEST JOB IN THE WORLD.  I love learning, so to get paid to do it?  WIN.  Not sure why I thought college was such a grind.  I would go back in a heartbeat if I didn't need to earn.

I got paid to do my masters and PhD in engineering.  It's not that great a job.  There is a current TV ad about about getting your dream job.  What the ad is really selling is retirement planning so you can do the job you want when you retire.  It is sort of true for me, but probably the current generation like UM who start their careers with 6 figure student loan debt, retirement is not going to be so good.  I am enjoying solving problems and then marketing the solutions to people that might need them.  I haven't made any money yet at it but I actually have some good possibilities for the bicycle wheel truing algorithm.  It is "fun" engineering. It is the best job I ever had.

I am wondering if the current UM is a troll.  There used to be a guy with that user name.  He was a pretty good BTer.  That was why I answered this thread.  I remember him answering one of the "What's your job" threads a few years back.  I searched to see if I could find that post to see what he said about his job then.  I discovered that this UM signed up yesterday, wrote that one post, and hasn't logged on since.  I wonder a bit about how that could happen but not enough to ask the powers that be.

 

TW

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I think an artist would be a "dream job" as long as you can sell them.  I think creating something is great.  It even better if you can create something others would pay you for!  In a way, this is engineering.  Maybe why I can tolerate it!

 

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Now it's "man" date night!  We are going to see a 4:10 showing of Captain America then get some gourmet burgers or pizza!  Maybe some cold stone creamery for desert.  Giggity!  Not even my idea.

 

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