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2009-12-29 8:04 AM
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SSMinnow - 2009-12-29 7:13 AM Q: If someone has never done a tri and fears the run, what approach might you suggest to get them through the 5K?

I was at a party last night and a 43 year old guy I know came up to me to talk tris.  He knows I do them and I was pretty sure he wanted to try one based on some conversations last summer. He used to be an athlete, got married, totally stopped doing anything, but working and drinking. His wife is a total non athlete. I suggested we do a sprint together this July. His biggest fear is the run (which alwasy baffles me), he swam in highschool (claims he can OWS) and has a bike.  He asked me to be his "Jillian" to get him ready. As the night went on he was more excited, but also had a few more cocktails!

Any thoughts on how to approach a running program for a total non runner?  Pretty sure he is going through a mid-lilfe crisis .

Suzy


Have him read this.


http://www.runnersworld.com/cda/smartcoach/beginner/0,7146,s6-238-277-278-0,00.html


If that is too basic, use the calculator (you have to create an account now) to set up a plan.  IMO these plans are great for getting you ramped up, not starting off too fast and hurting yourself. 

http://www.runnersworld.com/cda/smartcoach/1,7148,s6-238-277-278-0-0-0-0-0,00.html

Until I started working with Lowell I always used these plans for pure running.  I like to get a pace to run vs. just say running for 1 hr.


2009-12-29 8:19 AM
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Kelly he'll chime in to answer your question I'm sure but in the meantime here is the active page with the distances.  He's got to set this up and its consistent with years past so it "should" be accurate. 

Tell your ol' man to cowboy up!
2009-12-29 8:32 AM
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fattyfatfat - 2009-12-29 8:19 AM Kelly he'll chime in to answer your question I'm sure but in the meantime here is the active page with the distances.  He's got to set this up and its consistent with years past so it "should" be accurate. 

Tell your ol' man to cowboy up!

 

Thanks.

Heh!!!  I'm not sure which makes him more uncomfortable, the swim or having to live and train with me in the house trying to be "encouraging".  LOL 

Let's just say between the two of us I am MUCH more type A than he is.

2009-12-29 8:52 AM
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What do you guys think of first timers waves?  Are those of you racing for the first time going start in one of these if its available?   

I think the intention is good but safety wise its a bad idea. 

2009-12-29 8:58 AM
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fattyfatfat - 2009-12-29 8:52 AM What do you guys think of first timers waves?  Are those of you racing for the first time going start in one of these if its available?   

I think the intention is good but safety wise its a bad idea. 

Too much potential for more problems than the kayak support can offer...  Not a good idea...  The US open had a good idea for AG'er swim start - it set people off in waves of like 6 every 10 seconds or so...  it put a lot of people in the water pretty quickly, but avoided the complete mash-up of a normal swim start...

2009-12-29 8:59 AM
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SSMinnow - 2009-12-29 5:13 AM Q: If someone has never done a tri and fears the run, what approach might you suggest to get them through the 5K?

I was at a party last night and a 43 year old guy I know came up to me to talk tris.  He knows I do them and I was pretty sure he wanted to try one based on some conversations last summer. He used to be an athlete, got married, totally stopped doing anything, but working and drinking. His wife is a total non athlete. I suggested we do a sprint together this July. His biggest fear is the run (which alwasy baffles me), he swam in highschool (claims he can OWS) and has a bike.  He asked me to be his "Jillian" to get him ready. As the night went on he was more excited, but also had a few more cocktails!

Any thoughts on how to approach a running program for a total non runner?  Pretty sure he is going through a mid-lilfe crisis .

Suzy


Hey Suz.....I like the advice others have given....I was there last year. I ran my 1st 5k last December. I didn't really do any type of program. I just built myself up doing run a minute walk a minute and built up from there.
Tread lightly with him, but you obviously know him better than I .
To be totally honest, I would be a little intimidated as training with you. Right now I think I would be okay, but as a beginner I would be. You are a hardcore runner. But I bet you're a great teacher!! pictures please.....


2009-12-29 9:01 AM
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DougRob - 2009-12-29 6:25 AM
SSMinnow - 2009-12-29 7:13 AM Q: If someone has never done a tri and fears the run, what approach might you suggest to get them through the 5K?

I was at a party last night and a 43 year old guy I know came up to me to talk tris.  He knows I do them and I was pretty sure he wanted to try one based on some conversations last summer. He used to be an athlete, got married, totally stopped doing anything, but working and drinking. His wife is a total non athlete. I suggested we do a sprint together this July. His biggest fear is the run (which alwasy baffles me), he swam in highschool (claims he can OWS) and has a bike.  He asked me to be his "Jillian" to get him ready. As the night went on he was more excited, but also had a few more cocktails!

Any thoughts on how to approach a running program for a total non runner?  Pretty sure he is going through a mid-lilfe crisis .

Have him find a 3 mile course and start walking it 3 times a week. Make sure he marks the time. Then have hium run the down hill portions only (still tracking his time). Slowly work up to running the whole 3 miles, Speed does not matter.

He will see the time dropping and be encouraged. Once he can run the whole thing, regardless of the time, he can work on going faster, starting again with the down hill sections. The time tracking should keep him going. Make sure he understands that speed is not important in the beginning.  Good luck. I hope he still wants to do it when the alcohol wears off.

Doug

That's a good answer Doug  - kinda a hybrid walk/run..  Continual motivation in timing himself - he will have to resist the urge to go our and "hit it hard" to get a good time, or he will hurt too much and not be able to hit the time again for a little while which would be counter productive...  That would be the only drawback I could see...

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fattyfatfat - 2009-12-29 8:52 AM What do you guys think of first timers waves?  Are those of you racing for the first time going start in one of these if its available?   

I think the intention is good but safety wise its a bad idea. 

Too much potential for more problems than the kayak support can offer...  Not a good idea...  The US open had a good idea for AG'er swim start - it set people off in waves of like 6 every 10 seconds or so...  it put a lot of people in the water pretty quickly, but avoided the complete mash-up of a normal swim start...


I like this idea since it allows some distance between athletes but won't require them to wait for a few hours to start their wave.
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fattyfatfat - 2009-12-29 9:52 AM What do you guys think of first timers waves?  Are those of you racing for the first time going start in one of these if its available?   

I think the intention is good but safety wise its a bad idea. 



I think they are a good idea if they put the wave in the right place.

Having a first time wave that goes last would give those who are aprehensive about starting in a big pack the chance for some more "clean" water plus give lifeguards and such a better ratio to check on them.

The theory being that if you are in your first tri, you are probably slower so it also would put that wave at the back of the bike so less people that the faster folks would have to move through.

The only problem is again if this wave is slower than the rest then the course would have to be open longer.  This might also mean a few less folks cheering and I think we all have seen races where the aid stations aren't stocked well for us slower folks when we come through later in the day.

 Which is why they sometimes put this wave earlier which negates the 2nd benefit of the wave and can make things more dangerous when you get slower inexperienced folks on the bikes riding with those that are in a hurry to make it through.  Also if the course is a loop on the bike this benefit is also negated. 

I had one race last year that I won't ever do again, just too many people on one course at the same time, 600 all in one lane.  I almost had to bail at 40mph on a downhill when I was screaming "on your left" and the person freaked out and started moving to the left...



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dalessit - 2009-12-29 8:05 AM
fattyfatfat - 2009-12-29 9:52 AM What do you guys think of first timers waves?  Are those of you racing for the first time going start in one of these if its available?   

I think the intention is good but safety wise its a bad idea. 



I think they are a good idea if they put the wave in the right place.

Having a first time wave that goes last would give those who are aprehensive about starting in a big pack the chance for some more "clean" water plus give lifeguards and such a better ratio to check on them.

The theory being that if you are in your first tri, you are probably slower so it also would put that wave at the back of the bike so less people that the faster folks would have to move through.

The only problem is again if this wave is slower than the rest then the course would have to be open longer.  This might also mean a few less folks cheering and I think we all have seen races where the aid stations aren't stocked well for us slower folks when we come through later in the day.

 Which is why they sometimes put this wave earlier which negates the 2nd benefit of the wave and can make things more dangerous when you get slower inexperienced folks on the bikes riding with those that are in a hurry to make it through.  Also if the course is a loop on the bike this benefit is also negated. 

I had one race last year that I won't ever do again, just too many people on one course at the same time, 600 all in one lane.  I almost had to bail at 40mph on a downhill when I was screaming "on your left" and the person freaked out and started moving to the left...


Funny, I remember you telling that story about screaming "On your left".....One thing I have learned is you can't just say "LEFT". that throw people for a loop as well.

As for the swim, they did a time trial start at clearwater...my coach said she really liked it.
2009-12-29 10:44 AM
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swbkrun - 2009-12-14 12:28 PM Ok.... Here is the list that I have:

*swbkrun- Steve Bio on page 1
*TrevorC- Trevor Bio on page 1
*Ashort33- Andy Bio on page 2
Gdale- George Bio on page 4
*Dalessit- Tony Bio on page 2
*Fattyfatfat- John Bio on page 1
*BigReub- Reuben Bio on page 1
*SSMinnow- Suzy Bio on page 1
Monicamm68- Monica Bio on page 1
Trysprintoly-Jenna Bio on page 2
*Sdalessio-Sam Bio on page 1
*Dougrob- Doug Bio on page 1
*Redknight- Rob Bio on page 1
Sarahswhere- Sarah Bio on page 2
*Trying1- Stan Bio on page 1
*PlainsmanAu- Barry Bio on page 2
*RoniS- Roni Bio on page 2
Gslye- Gary Bio on page 2
Losta- Lisa Bio on page 3
Badgerintx- Dave Bio on page 3
Icky43- Ben
Gdctex- Glen Bio on page 8
Imhusker- Trey Bio on page 3
Terps421- Linda Bio on page 4
Tri-Chic- Kelly Bio on page 3
Trifrog93- Robert Bio on page 8
Erlifeguard- Chris Bio on page 3
Toby91- William Bio on page 3
*Tahrens- Tracy Bio on page 3
AF-SGT- "SARGE" Paul
Jrj0924- Jennifer Bio on page 4
*Soccermom15- Janet Bio on page 4
Workerbee- Krista Bio on page 4
*Jhagerman- Jeremy Bio on page 5
*KT65- Kim Bio on page 7
* dbw27 - Dannette
Happychick - Michelle Bio on page 7
kkcbelle -  Kyla Bio on page 6
CyborgQueen - DJ Bio on page 4
tgermsheid - Trevor Bio on page 4
* Havin' Fun - Linda
* Ryanp100 - Ryan
Reno8 - Steve Bio on page 5
jvanis - Jeff Bio on page 8
Kickitinok - Trina (I have no idea where my bio is)
bethpaultx - ?
* Jeepguy2358 - Bio on page 22




2009-12-29 10:46 AM
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Trina, your bio was in the last thread, just post up a new one for everyone....

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I found my short Bio on page 7
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swbkrun - 2009-12-14 12:28 PM Ok.... Here is the list that I have:

*swbkrun- Steve Bio on page 1
*TrevorC- Trevor Bio on page 1
*Ashort33- Andy Bio on page 2
Gdale- George Bio on page 4
*Dalessit- Tony Bio on page 2
*Fattyfatfat- John Bio on page 1
*BigReub- Reuben Bio on page 1
*SSMinnow- Suzy Bio on page 1
Monicamm68- Monica Bio on page 1
Trysprintoly-Jenna Bio on page 2
*Sdalessio-Sam Bio on page 1
*Dougrob- Doug Bio on page 1
*Redknight- Rob Bio on page 1
Sarahswhere- Sarah Bio on page 2
*Trying1- Stan Bio on page 1
*PlainsmanAu- Barry Bio on page 2
*RoniS- Roni Bio on page 2
Gslye- Gary Bio on page 2
Losta- Lisa Bio on page 3
Badgerintx- Dave Bio on page 3
Icky43- Ben
Gdctex- Glen Bio on page 8
Imhusker- Trey Bio on page 3
Terps421- Linda Bio on page 4
Tri-Chic- Kelly Bio on page 3
Trifrog93- Robert Bio on page 8
Erlifeguard- Chris Bio on page 3
Toby91- William Bio on page 3
*Tahrens- Tracy Bio on page 3
AF-SGT- "SARGE" Paul
Jrj0924- Jennifer Bio on page 4
*Soccermom15- Janet Bio on page 4
Workerbee- Krista Bio on page 4
*Jhagerman- Jeremy Bio on page 5
*KT65- Kim Bio on page 7
* dbw27 - Dannette
Happychick - Michelle Bio on page 7
kkcbelle -  Kyla Bio on page 6
CyborgQueen - DJ Bio on page 4
tgermsheid - Trevor Bio on page 4
* Havin' Fun - Linda
* Ryanp100 - Ryan
Reno8 - Steve Bio on page 5
jvanis - Jeff Bio on page 8
Kickitinok - Trina (I have no idea where my bio is)
bethpaultx - ?
* Jeepguy2358 - Bio on page 22


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Will do, Andy. Also going to go ahead and post it on my blog so people can just click on my name and see my story.

Swim question: I've been swimming for about three weeks. My swim coach (who is 19 and kind of an air head) thinks I should be able to swim 500 yards *without stopping to rest* right now. I told him that I'm using swimplan.com, and that it has me resting for 10 seconds every 50 yards, 100 yards, etc. I printed a copy for him and he dismissed it as being rubbish. So....I'm confused. Whenever one starts swimming, with zero swimming background, is it not usual for that person to have to rest quite frequently until they build-up their endurance? He acts like 500 yards is nothing. I can barely get through 75 yards without resting for 10-15 seconds.

I am just really in that bad of shape, or are his expectations too high? (He's not an tri coach. I hired him to teach me technique - He's never been in a tri.)

Feedback? Comments?


Here's my bio:

NAME: Trina

STORY: Athlete growing-up (softball and volleyball). Played softball until I was in my mid thirties. Have exercised on gym equipment consistently for 8 years (usually about three times a week on the elliptical for 30 minutes). Got a hybrid bike for Christmas last year. Rode it like crazy this past year. Don't like riding when it's too cold so decided to take my workouts indoors at the Y. Sick of gym so I decided I'd start swimming. Realized I was going to be doing 2 out of the 3 tri sports, so thought "hey...I might as well learn to run and do a tri." I currently work out of the home and my business is pretty much running itself, so I have a LOT of time to train.

FAMILY STATUS: Married for 23 years. One grown son. Two schnauzers and a mean cat.
 

CURRENT TRAINING: 3x balanced 20 week plan. It's kicking my arse. I think I'm over training.

PAST RACES: None. OMG....what am I doing?

2010 RACES: Mostly depends on how well training goes. I'd love to do Lone Star in April, but don't know if I'll be ready. OCCC Super Sprint in May is looking more realistic. Also The Lighthouse has a tri in Sept.

WEIGHTLOSS: Definitely a HUGE issue with me. I have 50lbs to lose to reach my goal weight.
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Trina

Your swim coach is more than an airhead, he isn't a good teacher.  If you cannot swim more than 75 yards, you have technique issues that need to be addressed before adding distance.  Don't take this as being harsh, because this was exactly my problem 12 months ago.  You need to find a coach that can help you work on balance in the water.  Once you have it, you have a better chance of going greater distances.  I had a 19 year old coach first who did nothing for me, moved on to another one for a while and that helped, but then even we peaked and now I have my third swimming coach.  He is the right one. I have made tremendous progress under his guidance....why? because I have balance in the water.  My feet are at the surface, I stay long, and have good rotation.  Drills we provide can help, but they will not be better than having someone watch you.  Talk to other triathletes to see who they use, do an intro lesson and see if you click.....best advice I can give.

PS Where are those schnauzer photos?????
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kickitinok - 2009-12-29 11:09 AM Will do, Andy. Also going to go ahead and post it on my blog so people can just click on my name and see my story.

Swim question: I've been swimming for about three weeks. My swim coach (who is 19 and kind of an air head) thinks I should be able to swim 500 yards *without stopping to rest* right now. I told him that I'm using swimplan.com, and that it has me resting for 10 seconds every 50 yards, 100 yards, etc. I printed a copy for him and he dismissed it as being rubbish. So....I'm confused. Whenever one starts swimming, with zero swimming background, is it not usual for that person to have to rest quite frequently until they build-up their endurance? He acts like 500 yards is nothing. I can barely get through 75 yards without resting for 10-15 seconds.

I am just really in that bad of shape, or are his expectations too high? (He's not an tri coach. I hired him to teach me technique - He's never been in a tri.)

Feedback? Comments?


Here's my bio:

NAME: Trina

STORY: Athlete growing-up (softball and volleyball). Played softball until I was in my mid thirties. Have exercised on gym equipment consistently for 8 years (usually about three times a week on the elliptical for 30 minutes). Got a hybrid bike for Christmas last year. Rode it like crazy this past year. Don't like riding when it's too cold so decided to take my workouts indoors at the Y. Sick of gym so I decided I'd start swimming. Realized I was going to be doing 2 out of the 3 tri sports, so thought "hey...I might as well learn to run and do a tri." I currently work out of the home and my business is pretty much running itself, so I have a LOT of time to train.

FAMILY STATUS: Married for 23 years. One grown son. Two schnauzers and a mean cat.
 

CURRENT TRAINING: 3x balanced 20 week plan. It's kicking my arse. I think I'm over training.

PAST RACES: None. OMG....what am I doing?

2010 RACES: Mostly depends on how well training goes. I'd love to do Lone Star in April, but don't know if I'll be ready. OCCC Super Sprint in May is looking more realistic. Also The Lighthouse has a tri in Sept.

WEIGHTLOSS: Definitely a HUGE issue with me. I have 50lbs to lose to reach my goal weight.


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19 year old air head? Get a new coach! The coach may be good at getting 7 year olds to swim but you probably could use someone more mature.

kickitinok - 2009-12-29 12:09 PM

... I've been swimming for about three weeks. My swim coach (who is 19 and kind of an air head) thinks I should be able to swim 500 yards *without stopping to rest* right now. I told him that I'm using swimplan.com, and that it has me resting for 10 seconds every 50 yards, 100 yards, etc. I printed a copy for him and he dismissed it as being rubbish.....
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kickitinok - 2009-12-29 11:09 AM Will do, Andy. Also going to go ahead and post it on my blog so people can just click on my name and see my story.

Swim question: I've been swimming for about three weeks. My swim coach (who is 19 and kind of an air head) thinks I should be able to swim 500 yards *without stopping to rest* right now. I told him that I'm using swimplan.com, and that it has me resting for 10 seconds every 50 yards, 100 yards, etc. I printed a copy for him and he dismissed it as being rubbish. So....I'm confused. Whenever one starts swimming, with zero swimming background, is it not usual for that person to have to rest quite frequently until they build-up their endurance? He acts like 500 yards is nothing. I can barely get through 75 yards without resting for 10-15 seconds.

I am just really in that bad of shape, or are his expectations too high? (He's not an tri coach. I hired him to teach me technique - He's never been in a tri.)

Feedback? Comments?


I agree with Suzy...focus on your stroke and body position...the rest will come. 

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kickitinok - 2009-12-29 10:09 AM Will do, Andy. Also going to go ahead and post it on my blog so people can just click on my name and see my story.

Swim question: I've been swimming for about three weeks. My swim coach (who is 19 and kind of an air head) thinks I should be able to swim 500 yards *without stopping to rest* right now. I told him that I'm using swimplan.com, and that it has me resting for 10 seconds every 50 yards, 100 yards, etc. I printed a copy for him and he dismissed it as being rubbish. So....I'm confused. Whenever one starts swimming, with zero swimming background, is it not usual for that person to have to rest quite frequently until they build-up their endurance? He acts like 500 yards is nothing. I can barely get through 75 yards without resting for 10-15 seconds.

I am just really in that bad of shape, or are his expectations too high? (He's not an tri coach. I hired him to teach me technique - He's never been in a tri.)

Feedback? Comments?


Here's my bio:

NAME: Trina

STORY: Athlete growing-up (softball and volleyball). Played softball until I was in my mid thirties. Have exercised on gym equipment consistently for 8 years (usually about three times a week on the elliptical for 30 minutes). Got a hybrid bike for Christmas last year. Rode it like crazy this past year. Don't like riding when it's too cold so decided to take my workouts indoors at the Y. Sick of gym so I decided I'd start swimming. Realized I was going to be doing 2 out of the 3 tri sports, so thought "hey...I might as well learn to run and do a tri." I currently work out of the home and my business is pretty much running itself, so I have a LOT of time to train.

FAMILY STATUS: Married for 23 years. One grown son. Two schnauzers and a mean cat.
 

CURRENT TRAINING: 3x balanced 20 week plan. It's kicking my arse. I think I'm over training.

PAST RACES: None. OMG....what am I doing?

2010 RACES: Mostly depends on how well training goes. I'd love to do Lone Star in April, but don't know if I'll be ready. OCCC Super Sprint in May is looking more realistic. Also The Lighthouse has a tri in Sept.

WEIGHTLOSS: Definitely a HUGE issue with me. I have 50lbs to lose to reach my goal weight.



Everyone has different starting points. Just because your swimming 75 yds and not his 500 yds non-stop doesn't mean anything. I think he seems like more than an anirhead. Seems like a bad coach. A good coach will see where you are currently at and make you work forward from that.  He/She should be showing you technique as well to help you get further in the water. Swimming is alllll about technique. Whether you weight 75 lbs or 400 lbs (jsut a generalization), you can swim.
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Thanks for the input, guys. I know my technique is just horrible right now. I can't seem to get my breathing down...I slightly pull my head up out of the water then turn it to the side when I breath. Slows me way down, and I have the worst neckache afterward. I have no idea how my stroke looks, I know I'm a little low in the water, my kicks are pretty good but become spastic when I'm tired.

I hired the kid to show me technique, not to say "you've really got to want this. you need to be swimming 500 yards without quitting. you need to push yourself."

Uhm....I'm a newbie? I just started three weeks ago? I"m pushing myself as hard as I can? Hello?

Definitely going to get a different coach. It's so disheartening to be talked to like that. Especially by a 19 year old. I wish I could ground him.

Thanks for the input everyone.
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Doug and Suzy - thank you so much for the help with the names!! You are the best.

Trina, I had a teenaged coach last year who tried to tell me that I had a better chance of completing the required distances for my triathlon if I swam breaststroke instead of freestyle. Teenagers are not always as smart as they think they are!


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SSMinnow - 2009-12-29 7:13 AM Q: If someone has never done a tri and fears the run, what approach might you suggest to get them through the 5K?

I was at a party last night and a 43 year old guy I know came up to me to talk tris.  He knows I do them and I was pretty sure he wanted to try one based on some conversations last summer. He used to be an athlete, got married, totally stopped doing anything, but working and drinking. His wife is a total non athlete. I suggested we do a sprint together this July. His biggest fear is the run (which alwasy baffles me), he swam in highschool (claims he can OWS) and has a bike.  He asked me to be his "Jillian" to get him ready. As the night went on he was more excited, but also had a few more cocktails!

Any thoughts on how to approach a running program for a total non runner?  Pretty sure he is going through a mid-lilfe crisis .

Suzy

My response is quite simialr to the others posted here. I have seen a few beginnner programs from the running clubs in town and they basically go with starting at about a 2 minute walk with a 30 second light jog. From this they slowly build the run times up to to about 2 minutes alternatling with 2 minute walks. Once there they start cutting down the walk times and increase the run times by about 30 seconds until the walk is completely gone. The changes in the wla/run durations are done on a weekly basis. Once your beginner has reach this level  they should be in a position to extend the runs appropriately increasing no more than 10% per week.  It looks like a slow process but I have seen that people that try to go more distance too early have a tendancy to drop off as their bodies get too tired and they just don't want to go any more. It's hard to hold back sometimes but it is definitely the best for beginners.

2009-12-29 12:10 PM
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THANK YOU for all the great advice for my friend Todd.  I sent him an email a few minutes ago (hoping he rememers last night) and told him for the month of January to get on his TM and walk 3.1 miles three times a week, not to be concerned about time, but write down how long it took him to do it each time and email it to me weekly.   My goal is to help him build up some stamina and confidence before putting the hammer down!  (Not really, that part was for Trevor ).  Then I plan to send him a modified walk/run plan for February moving forward, while adding bike and swim stuff starting in April.  Hope I can keep him motivated!

Tonight is our Badger Football party at the house. Been cooking up a storm again, but having fun.  It was 1F when I woke  up so off I went to the basement for another fun filled CT ride!
2009-12-29 12:13 PM
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I haven't seen a first time wave at any of the races I have been at. They have always been broken down into age groups and the largest group I saw was at the HIM where there were about 300 in a wave. That gave lots of room for those uncomfortable in the swim to be towards the back or off to the side of the wave without being too far back. I think it is especially important for first timers to positon themselves accordingly. Even if a person is a good swiimer the first time out in OWS in a large group can be intimidating.

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Subject: RE: SWBKRUN- Miles and Miles ahead!!!! CLOSED
Trina,

Others have said good stuff but wanted to pile on to it as well.

I went through 3-4 coaches before I found one that would finally tell me how much I sucked.  The majority of swim coaches are used to dealing either with kids  and or those that are already what most of us here would consider quality swimmers.  In my case they didn't know what to do with an almost 40 year old guy that was slower than the 5-6 year olds they coached.

My first few coaches would tell me I was doing great, if I was doing so great, why wasn't I breaking 2:00/100M

My current coach is an assisstant at American University and she doesn't take BS from anyone.  She had me count my strokes one day and when I told her how many, she said "wow that sucks, well it doesn't suck I guess but it isn't good"  Lets try XYZ then re-count.


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