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 2012-01-27 11:06 AM in reply to: #4014198 |
Master  2538    Albuquerque |  Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSEDuhcoog - 2012-01-27 9:40 AM kaburns1214 - 2012-01-27 10:30 AM uhcoog - 2012-01-27 9:28 AM karen26.2 - 2012-01-27 6:10 AM Rudedog55 - 2012-01-27 6:58 AM I also did this fasted, no breakfast, was this the group that was talking about fasted training?? ??? Is there another group? Are you cheating on us Rudy??? Yes, it was this group. But then Jen (I think it was Jen) posted a link to an article about fasted training. Scott followed with another study on it. Not sure what to think about it now. I've seen so much research on it, and a ton of conflicting research at that, that I'm to the point of use yourself as a guinea pig and if it works for you great, if not than turf it. I've always been a guy who would rather try something on himself to make a first hand assessment vs. deciding based on studies in a controlled environment. Anyway I did my long run this morning. I ran 13 at what should have been an easy pace on Wednesday fasted and it was very hard the last 4 miles. Today I did almost 16 miles fed in about the same time and it was very, very easy. There are lots of "experts" out there that swear by fasted workouts and other "experts" that think they're a horrible idea. They do not work for me (they decrease the quality of my workouts, do nothing for me weight wise and I think there's a lot of be said for practicing race day nutrition every time you train -- I think there's a reason I don't have GI issues on race day and its not because I have a gut of steel). That being said some people love the concept of fasted workouts, its just not something I would personally do or recommend. See that's my thing with athletes of all natures. They all think what works for them works for all and then cite studies that back them up. What they leave out are the studies that don't which often rival or surpass the number that confirm their beliefs. For instance the Endurance Nation belief that you don't swim in the offseason or do bricks. There are knock down, drag out fights over these ideas. My feeling is if there is sufficient evidence either by study or anecdotal to try something give it a go. If it doesn't work then move on. No reason to employ practices YOU don't believe in. It just leaves you with doubts come race day.
Agreed. Do what works for YOU. Too many times people take a black or white stance on things like this and it's really a terrible way to go about it. Every BODY is different and will react differently. |
| 2012-01-27 11:14 AM in reply to: #4014215 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Rudedog55 - 2012-01-27 10:44 AM uhcoog - 2012-01-27 11:40 AM kaburns1214 - 2012-01-27 10:30 AM uhcoog - 2012-01-27 9:28 AM karen26.2 - 2012-01-27 6:10 AM Rudedog55 - 2012-01-27 6:58 AM I also did this fasted, no breakfast, was this the group that was talking about fasted training?? ??? Is there another group? Are you cheating on us Rudy??? Yes, it was this group. But then Jen (I think it was Jen) posted a link to an article about fasted training. Scott followed with another study on it. Not sure what to think about it now. I've seen so much research on it, and a ton of conflicting research at that, that I'm to the point of use yourself as a guinea pig and if it works for you great, if not than turf it. I've always been a guy who would rather try something on himself to make a first hand assessment vs. deciding based on studies in a controlled environment. Anyway I did my long run this morning. I ran 13 at what should have been an easy pace on Wednesday fasted and it was very hard the last 4 miles. Today I did almost 16 miles fed in about the same time and it was very, very easy. There are lots of "experts" out there that swear by fasted workouts and other "experts" that think they're a horrible idea. They do not work for me (they decrease the quality of my workouts, do nothing for me weight wise and I think there's a lot of be said for practicing race day nutrition every time you train -- I think there's a reason I don't have GI issues on race day and its not because I have a gut of steel). That being said some people love the concept of fasted workouts, its just not something I would personally do or recommend. See that's my thing with athletes of all natures. They all think what works for them works for all and then cite studies that back them up. What they leave out are the studies that don't which often rival or surpass the number that confirm their beliefs. For instance the Endurance Nation belief that you don't swim in the offseason or do bricks. There are knock down, drag out fights over these ideas. My feeling is if there is sufficient evidence either by study or anecdotal to try something give it a go. If it doesn't work then move on. No reason to employ practices YOU don't believe in. It just leaves you with doubts come race day.
Bricks are virtually useless, just sayin....HA!!!
Agree for the most part. |
| 2012-01-27 11:45 AM in reply to: #3943066 |
Extreme Veteran 3020 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED I did 2 bricks a week last summer, and I didn't do them to learn what it felt like to run on tired legs (LOL). I did them because it's the most effective way for me to manage my training time with the lifestyle I lead. I can't squeeze in two training sessions a day all the time, and I'm usually adding a short, easy run to a long/medium bike. There was a male pro - can't remember the name - who did all of his runs off the bike because he hadn't come to the sport with a background in running. Again, different strokes for different folks I agree that what works for one of us might not work for all of us, but I think it's important to pass on the information. You might help someone adjust their routine for the better in some way. I swear by fasted workouts because they work for me (doesn't mean they will work for all!). In races I will use sports nutrition products, because they are convenient, and I will practice using them closer to my season on my long bikes and long runs (though I already know the gels work just fine on the runs). I feel like gels, sports drinks, etc. are really just processed foods, and I don't want to be eating them every day. I'm pretty crazy about my diet though (or so I've been told
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.| 2012-01-27 12:25 PM in reply to: #4014167 |
Extreme Veteran 863 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2012-01-27 11:26 AM DDVMM - 2012-01-27 9:14 AM Good morning everyone! I did sprints this morning and I would like to know if the way I did them was OK. WU 5 min 30 sprints for 30 seconds at 7:30 with a 30 sec RI (jumped off tm) 5min CD Is that an OK way to start or should I be doing something different/better? Thanks! I think the first question is what was the purpose of the sprints? 30 seconds is really short, especially for someone who is distance running as compared to short or middle distance track. Also how did you determine what pace to run at?
Purpose - to add some HIIT (because 'everyone' says you need to do sprints to get faster). Pace determined by HR staying in the tempo/intensive endurace zone. Should I increase to a minute? 2 minutes? Did I do it all wrong?LOL |
| 2012-01-27 1:17 PM in reply to: #3943066 |
Extreme Veteran 678 Rome, NY | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Kelly & Unchoog , Thnaks for the sneaker thoughts (I will have to test them on a long, long run and see how then do) Weekend Plans Fri - 1 hour run (Then training plan scheduled Date night with Wifey!!!) Sat - 1:45 trainer ride ( then hopefully 3-4 hours of downhill skiing if the rain ever changes to snow) Sunday - 1:00 ZR run In between watch Syracuse Basketball, play with the kiddies, do report cards, and sleep!! Edited by triguy1043 2012-01-27 1:38 PM |
| 2012-01-27 3:30 PM in reply to: #3943066 |
Expert 1121 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Just checking in Friends. Still driving myself crazy. Shoulder is getting better daily and I read your posts daily. Got a great deal online today sierratradingpost.com. Although the model is a couple years old, I still picked up the Zoot Ultra TT 3.0 shoes for $76. Originally $150. Not too shabby. They had an additional 20% off the already discounted price until 10 this morning. So I picked up a pretty cool Pearl Izumi lime green and white cycling jersey. Original $120, got it for $60. I'm injured but I can still spend the money easy enough. |
| 2012-01-27 5:09 PM in reply to: #3943066 |
Extreme Veteran 610 San Francisco CA | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Happy Friday guys and gals! The cold I've been fighting off finally hit full force yesterday so I came home from work early and am working from home today on the sofa. Going to take the next few days off from training - I'm going to miss a fun bike ride with friends tomorrow so I am pretty bummed. I have asthma so when I get a chest cold I usually will fully shut down my training for a few days until I recover - training while sick does not work well for me. |
| 2012-01-27 8:20 PM in reply to: #3943066 |
Member 117 Boulder, Colorado | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Hey everyone! I've also been out sick for the last several days. I actually ended up going home early from work yesterday after I fell asleep for an hour draped over the back of a chair in my classroom (not during class, no worries). I felt like I was drunk, but without the fun. It was so bizarre. I'm about 75% today, and thinking with a good night's sleep I might be back to normal tomorrow - hopefully. But this week was basically a wash. Depending on how I'm feeling this weekend, I'll get some workouts in but I'm not sure what yet. This weather is just killing me. Every winter I go through a couple months of thinking "we could totally move back to San Diego." It's been hitting me hard this year. It goes away once spring rolls around, but I definitely miss the nice weather right about now. |
| 2012-01-27 8:29 PM in reply to: #3943066 |
Extreme Veteran 863 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Feel better calimavs and RP72!! |
| 2012-01-28 11:17 AM in reply to: #4015378 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED DDVMM - 2012-01-27 9:29 PM Feel better calimavs and RP72!! x2.
I woke up with a chest cold. Not a happy camper. |
| 2012-01-28 1:23 PM in reply to: #3943066 |
Master 2151 Johns Creek, Georgia | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED I'm still sick too. It's in my lungs/chest area. Biking outside today was probably not the brightest, but I was not going to ride in the basement for the 3rd week in a row. And what a beautiful ride it was. Hope everyone feels better soon. |
| 2012-01-28 3:38 PM in reply to: #3943066 |
Extreme Veteran 863 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED OMGoodness - the board is going down with sickies!! Get better everyone!!
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| 2012-01-28 6:42 PM in reply to: #4014215 |
Veteran 446 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Rudedog55 - 2012-01-27 10:44 AM uhcoog - 2012-01-27 11:40 AM kaburns1214 - 2012-01-27 10:30 AM uhcoog - 2012-01-27 9:28 AM karen26.2 - 2012-01-27 6:10 AM Rudedog55 - 2012-01-27 6:58 AM I also did this fasted, no breakfast, was this the group that was talking about fasted training?? ??? Is there another group? Are you cheating on us Rudy??? Yes, it was this group. But then Jen (I think it was Jen) posted a link to an article about fasted training. Scott followed with another study on it. Not sure what to think about it now. I've seen so much research on it, and a ton of conflicting research at that, that I'm to the point of use yourself as a guinea pig and if it works for you great, if not than turf it. I've always been a guy who would rather try something on himself to make a first hand assessment vs. deciding based on studies in a controlled environment. Anyway I did my long run this morning. I ran 13 at what should have been an easy pace on Wednesday fasted and it was very hard the last 4 miles. Today I did almost 16 miles fed in about the same time and it was very, very easy. There are lots of "experts" out there that swear by fasted workouts and other "experts" that think they're a horrible idea. They do not work for me (they decrease the quality of my workouts, do nothing for me weight wise and I think there's a lot of be said for practicing race day nutrition every time you train -- I think there's a reason I don't have GI issues on race day and its not because I have a gut of steel). That being said some people love the concept of fasted workouts, its just not something I would personally do or recommend. See that's my thing with athletes of all natures. They all think what works for them works for all and then cite studies that back them up. What they leave out are the studies that don't which often rival or surpass the number that confirm their beliefs. For instance the Endurance Nation belief that you don't swim in the offseason or do bricks. There are knock down, drag out fights over these ideas. My feeling is if there is sufficient evidence either by study or anecdotal to try something give it a go. If it doesn't work then move on. No reason to employ practices YOU don't believe in. It just leaves you with doubts come race day.
Bricks are virtually useless, just sayin....HA!!!
I like to eat and I like to do bricks. Can I still be in the group?
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| 2012-01-29 8:14 AM in reply to: #3943066 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED I just did my Sunday run, fasted. Beautiful crisp morning. We did a trail run around a really pretty lake, horse poop was abound. Saw birds, deer, coyotes. I did it fasted. Then ate a hard boiled egg but must have gotten some soap in the bowl. Eggs and soap don't taste good. Going swimming later. Fasted work outs are good if done correctly. Bricks are good if done correctly. Chocolate milk and coffee is the best recovery beverage. Beer is yummy. And boobs rule. |
| 2012-01-29 8:58 AM in reply to: #3943066 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED I'm feeling slightly better today but I'm still dealing with some serious chest congestion. Going to try to get on the bike today and see what happens. |
| 2012-01-29 1:51 PM in reply to: #3943066 |
Extreme Veteran 610 San Francisco CA | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Such a bummer that so many of us are sick! Kelly - hope your bike ride today goes ok. I tried to run this morning, made it about a quarter of a mile running and had a bad coughing fit and couldn't breathe so decided to walk a bit longer and call it a day. Made it a whopping 1.3 miles total for the run/walk. |
| 2012-01-29 2:16 PM in reply to: #3943066 |
Master 2151 Johns Creek, Georgia | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Just finished the slowest trail run ever. Felt like road kill out there. At one point I almost sat on a log, but realized no one was gonna come pick me up. Sucked it up and finished. Barely! |
| 2012-01-29 2:33 PM in reply to: #3943066 |
Master 2538 Albuquerque | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED 5 mile run today. Still going much faster than the "plan" calls for, but oh well. Here's a video of some of my mtb ride yesterday if anyone is bored and wants to see the desert southwest. At about 2:30 I eat it, my famous zero mph crash trying to be nice and let others pass. |
| 2012-01-29 2:37 PM in reply to: #4017200 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Desert high country that is! |
| 2012-01-29 2:42 PM in reply to: #4017204 |
Master 2538 Albuquerque | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED bryancd - 2012-01-29 1:37 PM Desert high country that is!
Oh yeah, that too |
| 2012-01-29 4:02 PM in reply to: #3943066 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED 50/3 today. Legs are shot. First 25 at almost 22mph. Then the wind picked up and it was a mother getting back in. |
| 2012-01-29 4:33 PM in reply to: #4017152 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED calimavs - 2012-01-29 2:51 PM Such a bummer that so many of us are sick! Kelly - hope your bike ride today goes ok. I tried to run this morning, made it about a quarter of a mile running and had a bad coughing fit and couldn't breathe so decided to walk a bit longer and call it a day. Made it a whopping 1.3 miles total for the run/walk. Got on the trainer for 3 hours this afternoon. Other than the coughing it felt fairly solid. Going to try running tomorrow. Its tough with the chest issues. I have no issues training with head/nose congestion but chest congestion is another story. |
| 2012-01-30 6:32 AM in reply to: #4016791 |
Extreme Veteran 3020 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED jsklarz - 2012-01-29 9:14 AM I just did my Sunday run, fasted. Beautiful crisp morning. We did a trail run around a really pretty lake, horse poop was abound. Saw birds, deer, coyotes. I did it fasted. Then ate a hard boiled egg but must have gotten some soap in the bowl. Eggs and soap don't taste good. Going swimming later. Fasted work outs are good if done correctly. Bricks are good if done correctly. Chocolate milk and coffee is the best recovery beverage. Beer is yummy. And boobs rule. LMAO. |
| 2012-01-30 6:36 AM in reply to: #3943066 |
Extreme Veteran 3020 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED I hope everyone who is sick starts to feel better soon. Seems it's in the water right now. Finally got to the pool yesterday. I was slooooooow. Really need some work there. My endurance was sad, but I know it will come back quickly. On the trainer for a ride this morning and then have an easy run with hill sprints to do later. We had a birthday party for our oldest on Saturday. 7 - 7 year olds running around our house for 3 hours......it was like another training session |
| 2012-01-30 7:44 AM in reply to: #3943066 |
Extreme Veteran 678 Rome, NY | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED Weekend went well!! 1 hour run Friday 1:45 on the bike Sat. riding through IMLP with Coach Troy!! 1 hour Sunday 144 bpm 8:07 miles!! 5 weeks down 25 weeks to go!! |
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