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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So the challenge starts Monday!! I'll be travelling so I'm going to have to be realistic about what I can fit in. That's a chellenge unto itself. Hey Bill, my current plan is based on time too but I've made some adjustments. I only use time in the case of biking right now because I'm on the trainer and frustratingly slow. My swim workouts and distances are planned along with given times, but if I go by time, I won't finish the workout. I want to fit in a spring half marathon so I'm loosely following a different running plan although when recovery runs are called for, I do those based on time. I'm curious as to how others approach this as well. There are general rules of thumb on when to start speedwork. For |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hey All ... post your schedule for the week in your blog. Here's to hoping that we all win! ![]() |
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Member ![]() ![]() | ![]() Team, I'm thinking of getting some racing flats to actually use for my event on Mar-18. I have flat, WIDE feet, and need a neutral shoe (I train in the Nike Free crosstrainers). Any suggestions? |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() trying2tri1906 - 2007-02-12 3:04 PM Team, I'm thinking of getting some racing flats to actually use for my event on Mar-18. I have flat, WIDE feet, and need a neutral shoe (I train in the Nike Free crosstrainers). Any suggestions? Go to a running store and have them look at your feet, they will make recommendations, then you can try some shoes on, take a run on the treadmill in the store, or down the sidewalk and see what feels the best. You won't regret it. ![]() |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() She's spot on ... the running store is the way to get in terms of picking out shoes.* They are pretty knowledgable about ascertaining mechanics of a runner's stride as well as the mechanics of a shoe. (As they have since educated me, a shoe is more than fabric attached to a foam bottom One thing they have told me is that shoes nowadays are pretty adept at supporting your foot - even normal run of the mill shoes. This is pretty good in that it helps the numerous muscles in your feet withstand the strains of running and/or walking.** A side effect of this, though, is that the muscles in your feet have grown used to this. Taking away the support of a running shoe in favor of a racing flat may be something to be very cautious of ... especially if you are going to subject your feet to race pace. Talk to the running store about this concern prior to purchasing. Let them know your running background and seek their input ... * btw, I have compared the prices at our local running stores (Fleet Feet and Big Peach Running Company) with those of prices on-line and found them to be pretty similar. The difference with the bricks and mortar store is that you get the benefit of trying them on as well as the expertise of the staff ** A track coach once told me that one cure for strengthening your foot is to run barefooted in the grass for a couple hundred yards at the end of a workout (spring or summertime only gygyhawk - 2007-02-12 5:37 PM trying2tri1906 - 2007-02-12 3:04 PM Go to a running store and have them look at your feet, they will make recommendations, then you can try some shoes on, take a run on the treadmill in the store, or down the sidewalk and see what feels the best. You won't regret it. Team, I'm thinking of getting some racing flats to actually use for my event on Mar-18. I have flat, WIDE feet, and need a neutral shoe (I train in the Nike Free crosstrainers). Any suggestions? ![]() |
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Member ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks..I'll definitely keep you all's advice in the front of my mind this weekend when I go to some runner stores.
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() You had mentioned shin splints before ... you might want to check out the new Nike Air Structure Triax+ X. It was pretty luxurious in the sole department and was the Runners World Editor's Choice Award for March 2007. I ended up getting the old standby Asics Nimbus Gels b/c that is what I wore prior to my current Reeboks - and before my current right big toenail bruising. Which is another reason to get fitted ... turns out that while I may be a 9 1/2 in all other shoes, in running shoes I am a 10 insomuch as my right foot is slightly bigger and, coupled with the swelling that normally occurs during prolonged exercise, the front toe was banging up against the front of the shoe ... hence the ugly toe situation. (I got the Reeboks from the company after "test driving" a prototype of one of their shoes over the summer. They wanted an "average Joe" opinion as well as wear testing for durability.)
trying2tri1906 - 2007-02-12 6:58 PM Thanks..I'll definitely keep you all's advice in the front of my mind this weekend when I go to some runner stores.
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I wear a bigger running shoe, too. It's not bad enough that I wear a size 10, but had to get an 11 (whoa) in running shoes. Don't worry about style either, comfort is the most important. They just end up getting dirty anyway. Jon, let us know how it goes at the running store, what they tell you. They discovered that I pronate, so I had to get a shoe with more stability in the sole to make the shin splints stop. Good luck. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Road Runner Sports is an online shoe company that has a great return/exchange policy that eliminates the fear of ordering online. They have different levels of membership with different levels of discounts. I have been really satisfied with their customer service. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Is everlyone able to see my planned training schedule? Also, what was finally decided re: the mini-challenge? What are the criteria? I was following the thread up to the point that we were waiting for Brian to get back into town. Did I miss a post? |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() BillManduca - 2007-02-09 9:43 AM I guess the bottom line question is when do I move from building my aerobic base to something else? I missed this question at first ... which is too bad b/c it was the same question I had when I started doing HR training. The reply I got back from my coach was "Never" - base training is something that we will continue to do in our quest to stretch out our endurance. Does that mean we will always be slow? The answer is an emphatic "NO" ... when Norman Stadler was doing his amazing bike split at Kona last November, he did it all in Zone 2 - shoot, he had to run a marathon after that! So the short answer is that by going slow, you are getting faster. You are teaching your body to utilize your nearly unlimited aerobic supply instead of your very limited anaeorbic supply of energy. How long have you been training exclusively in Zone 2? I have been told that it typically takes four to six weeks to start showing. (I did not see the improvements promised ... which turned out to be a red flag. Went and had my HR zones established via metabolic testing - VO2max- and it turns out my field test yielded results that showed my LT/AeT some 30 bpm too high!) |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() BillManduca - 2007-02-14 3:04 PM Is everlyone able to see my planned training schedule? Also, what was finally decided re: the mini-challenge? What are the criteria? I was following the thread up to the point that we were waiting for Brian to get back into town. Did I miss a post? No worries. For background, see Marina's post on page 3 ... it started on Monday and will continue for two weeks. In terms of time vs. distance vs. whatever - whatever your schedule calls for, that is what you should do. The key behind this is to ensure that you a schedule ironed out and that you are following it. (I was going to blow off a recovery spin on the trainer last Monday, but remembered the challenge and got my lazy rear off the couch and into the saddle to do it |
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Member ![]() ![]() | ![]() Bike Travel Cases: What's a fair price to pay? Buy online or order from a shop? Any adivce right now would be appreciated as I am getting "things" togetehr for my first event.
As well, I purchased a Giro Indicator Cycling Helmet, Titanium, Universal Fit Adult today. Everything checked out...so it should be ok. Hope everyone's training this week has been fulfilling.
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Brian where is the best place to get the VO2 max test done? A cardiologist? Is VO2 max computed when you do a stress test on a treadmill? I may go get a stress test done just to see how my heart is doing (I just turned 45 on Monday the 12th). For the whole team: If you guys want to see my planned workouts for the mini-challenge, go to my blog page, hover the cursor over calendar and a drop down menu pops up. Just click on planned when you see the drop down. Edited by BillManduca 2007-02-16 7:32 PM |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() BillManduca - 2007-02-16 8:31 PM Brian where is the best place to get the VO2 max test done? A cardiologist? Is VO2 max computed when you do a stress test on a treadmill? I may go get a stress test done just to see how my heart is doing (I just turned 45 on Monday the 12th). For the whole team: If you guys want to see my planned workouts for the mini-challenge, go to my blog page, hover the cursor over calendar and a drop down menu pops up. Just click on planned when you see the drop down. Rats! I missed this question (if I do not respond to a Q as quickly as I should, please mention it in an 'inspire' in my training blog ... I rarely leave the training blogs Finding someone nearby that does VO2max testing is half the battle. A cardiologist might have one as part of a stress test, but it is doubtful (since it probably is not covered by insurance?) ... best way to find one would be to ask around. Where to ask, you say? Try your local bike shop, a race director for a local triathlon, at the pool you swim and/or gym that you belong to and so forth. (Doesn't the USAT website have a find-a-coach section? If you are able to find a local coach then then perhaps they can point you in the right direction. I'll also do some Googling to see what I can find out too. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Okay ... the challenge has been successful if only in that it got me to do some workouts I would have otherwise curtailed or completely blow off. That said, I am not at 100% obtainment. Life got in the way of some of my training and while I still logged in over 10 hours of training last week, I missed: W - Swim I have no real good excuse for Friday and Sunday, just poor scheduling/time management on my part. What I need to do is to schedule my workouts for that particular day (e.g. going to the pool at 4:00 pm so that I can be done + back in time for dinner). What'd you miss and why? What can you change to make them happen? |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() One thing I have learned about the workouts that can be downloaded, is that the workouts are in a certain order for a reason. I was of the opinion that if I missed a workout, I could just double up the next day. My body wants to go into complete rebellion with this. I did the double workout scheduled for last Saturday as a continuous workout. What a mistake. This led to the "clunky" run on Sunday. I wasn't totally recovered. Soreness is the thing I am battling as the workout program is taking me where I have not gone before! I also believe difficiencies in my running technique are starting to stick out. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm not logging the volume you guys are, but my plan (from BT website) said I could change around the days to fit my schedule, just to make sure the long workouts are flanked by short workouts or rest days. I've also tried to make sure I don't do the same sport two days in a row, like short run one day, then long run the next. I don't know how the whole download thing works, but maybe you can apply the same principles. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Your body is right ... you cannot 'make-up' missed workouts. Now I am probably butchering the physiology that I have been reading in Joel Friel's "The Triathlete's Training Bible", Matt Fitzgeralds "Triathlete Magazine's Complete Guide to Triathlon Training" and, of all things, the Hammer Nutrition guide* (see: http://www.hammernutrition.com/downloads/fuelinghandbook.pdf) ... but here goes the Ole Miss version of the Reader's Digest executive summary: Training is a function of over-reaction - you stress your body doing a particular something (be it swimming, running or cycling). In doing so, you break down muscle fibers, deplete energy stores and generally wear your body down ... then your body reacts by saying: "Okay, we've got to rebuild stronger to compensate for this stress" and proceeds to rebuild the muscles stronger and add as much energy as it can into your energy stores (thereby stretching capacity). So in essence, you do not get stronger by the virtue of exercising - you get stronger through the process of recovering from your exercise. Once you reach the point when you have stressed the muscles, there no additional benefit of stressing them more since the benefit doesn't happen until you heal. Now when it comes to doubling down on two different sets of exercises (e.g. bike then run bricks), remember that you can do one well but two not as much. While the exercise invokes discipline specific muscles, there are many shared muscles + shared energy stores. Further, your body produces lactic acid and other waste materials when exercising ... these can reach critical mass (e.g the rebellion you have been feeling) when you do not have enough time to metabolize them out of your system. * I do not use Hammer Nutrition products, but am truly impressed with the amount of information they put into this guide. The guide is not a 'hard sell' of Hammer products, but an explanation of the reason why something is important + then at the end of the article, they highlight the Hammer product that addresses that. I am re-reading it now. BillManduca - 2007-02-20 2:05 PM One thing I have learned about the workouts that can be downloaded, is that the workouts are in a certain order for a reason. I was of the opinion that if I missed a workout, I could just double up the next day. My body wants to go into complete rebellion with this. I did the double workout scheduled for last Saturday as a continuous workout. What a mistake. This led to the "clunky" run on Sunday. I wasn't totally recovered. Soreness is the thing I am battling as the workout program is taking me where I have not gone before! I also believe difficiencies in my running technique are starting to stick out. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() This challenge has been good for me to make me go ahead and at least take a shot at some sort of schedule for the week. It really does make you want to stick to it when it is out there for the whole world to see in black and white! I think we have a great group and have loved all the 'inspire me' comments. -Kim |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() trying2tri1906 - 2007-02-12 6:58 PM Thanks..I'll definitely keep you all's advice in the front of my mind this weekend when I go to some runner stores. Did you get your bike? What about the new kicks? What'd you settle on? |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Time to do the tally for the challenge ... while I did not miss a full day, I did miss 4 workouts over the past 2 weeks and cut short another 3. Save one, each of these were avoidable in that if I did a better job in managing my time during the day (and/or get my happy rear out of bed early to accomplish the first workout) then I could have found the time. Two things learned through the challenge: 1) it is harder to miss a workout when you know that someone besides yourself will notice; and, 2) I need to spend more time in Zone 2 (and stop trying to push too hard as at this point it is counterproductive). How many did you miss? What can you do to reach 85% of workouts logged? What have you learned over the past two weeks?
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Since 2/11/07, I have only missed 2 run workouts. I have not cut any workouts short. I learned that if I work the plan, the plan works! I am feeling great physically and I am amazed at how I am doing psychologically! The mini-challenge has given me a more immediate purpose that is fueling my drive for my Oly Tri in May. If things keep going the way they are, I won't have to worry about the water temperature or needing a wet suit because I won't be in the water that long! ![]() |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I didn't miss any or cut any short. BUT, I did have a couple days in there that I knew I may or may not be able to do something, and it ended up I could not. The thing that made it easier for me is that I didn't have a coach or a plan making up the schedule, but could look at what I could do and fit that in to my life schedule. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I did 100%!!!! Yeah! What works for me...I keep a monthly calendar. I schedule all appts., workouts, etc. everyday. I review at the beginning of the month and make changes if there are conflicts. I review every week, too, as things change. I look at the next day every evening, so I know what my game plan is when I wake up. I communicate as much as I can to my hubby, so he isn't taken aback when I'm gone all morning and he has the kids. I'm really trying to make this a priority in my life, I can almost always work Dr. appts, errands, etc. around training. I am determined to get back in shape and live healthier, so I treat exercise like any other appt. My biggest challenge has been, trying to find the correct HR zone for training, and figuring out how to train properly. Doing a sprint distance tri, has been on my mind for about 5 yrs. With having kids, etc. during that time, I put it on hold. Now I feel I'm able to do it, but before making the commitment, I took a realistic look at my time/lifestyle/etc. and decided on a training program that I felt I could manage. It's all still new and exciting to me, and that is very motivating. Having the challenge and mini goals, such as 5Ks along the way, is reminding me not to slack off. Reading others blogs reminds me that I'm not alone on this journey, and blogging holds me accountable. So what's the next challenge? ![]() |
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