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2011-12-20 3:46 PM
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Get the aero's they are amazing and save your body alot!  I had them on my road bike before I got my tri and didn't cost much.
2011-12-20 4:13 PM
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Carrie - you crack me up!  Nice of you to offer your hardware to your brother.  Hope he's ok.

Jeremy - I used Don Fink's competitive plan for my two IM's.  I really like it, and plan to use it for Vineman.  I followed it pretty closely, but did move things around during the week if work got in the way.  I felt well prepared at the start of each IM.

My 2012 goals -

Try to stay injury free as best I can.  I'm always tripping while trail running (heck, I even trip running on the road), so if I can limit my injuries I'll be happy.

My one real goal for 2012 is to better my IM times at Vineman.  I know each course is different, and you never know what the day will bring, but I really want to do "better".  I'm shooting for sub 13, we'll see.  One of my training buddies was studying prior Vineman results and told me my goal was 12:45.  Ha!

2011-12-20 4:22 PM
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bulfrog - 2011-12-20 4:41 PM

carrie639 - 2011-12-21 8:11 AM OK, I am just being lazy, but what does 90kg equate to?  If we are going to talk European metrics (LOL) I at least want to understand what you are saying.

Haha, I think its more rest of the world, than a European system Wink, but 90kg is about 198lbs

 

Here is me, approaching the finish of my first tri, last summer. 

 

The United States is one of only two countries in the world that do not use the Metric system, seems like us stubborn Yanks are a little behind the times, the other is Liberia i think...yeah...exactly...who???

 

 

2011-12-20 4:29 PM
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Jeff if there is one thing I like on my roadie it's my bars.  I think anything over a sprint they become valuable for comfort.  Of course if I just spent a ton of time in my drops I may get comfortable there too.  I'm looking forward to getting fit.  Not sure if it's because it means I'm getting a new ride or because it will be on one of those cool Dynamic Fit Units.
2011-12-20 4:33 PM
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gabrelsj - 2011-12-20 3:06 PM
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kaburns1214 - 2011-12-20 7:44 AM
gabrelsj - 2011-12-20 9:12 AM

I really want to continue to build a base since I keep reading that with a good base comes faster times.

This is actually a fantastic point.  In my experience, consistency is the key to getting faster.  What this means is swimming, biking and running in a sustainable way day after day.  Getting faster is not about a 12 or 20 week plan or key speed sessions, its just about getting it done.

Right now I'm in the middle of 12 weeks of base (all aerobic biking and running).  At the end of February I'll start building for IMTX.  In any given year, I'll spend about 20 weeks in base, building (and re-building) the aerobic engine.  For me. doing aerobic base work is the best way to stay injury free and stay consistent. 

 

Variability of training intensities provide the greatest adaptations over time. All year round. never use winter as an excuse to not do a harder bit of work from time to time. The notion that spending prolonged periods of time at a single specific intensity is beneficial only is true to a point. Once that point is reached, additional stimulus is required to make improvements. Winter is not an excuse to go slow if you want to be fast.

I know many people (including myself) make training more complicated than it is but when do you know you have rached that point and you should add more intensity?  Should it be added from the start?

To give you the lawyer answer -- It depends.  You can gain a lot of speed just doing base work (and by base work I mean doing most of your training at an aerobic intensity.  This is not slow, its "steady" -- and determining what steady means is a whole different discussion).  But you do reach a point where you need to add intensity to get faster.

There are differing schools of thought as to where that point is.  My opinion is that for most triathletes in their first few years of consistent training, more base is better.  Bryan (who is a fantastic resource) may differ on this.

In my situation, I'm doing 12 weeks of base, but my base period still includes some faster work.  In particular every 4th week, I'll have tempo bikes and runs and will begin to add in Tabata intervals.  In addition, I'll run a short race once a month and try to go as fast as I can.

You don't have to make it complicated.  Start doing consistenet steady efforts.  When you're feeling good with the steady efforts start to add in some harder, faster efforts.  More so than anything else, getting consistent is going to give you the biggest gains. 



2011-12-20 4:38 PM
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rizer22 - 2011-12-20 4:40 PM So Kelly, regarding Fast Splits, what should I be looking for in a bike fit, and what is this going to cost me? I don't know that I'll be adding Aero Bars or not. Although I have plans for one HIM, prob each year, I am thinking for now Sprint and Olympic distance will be my thing. That is until I can get a nice Tri bike. 

A good, professional bike fit is going to be a couple of hundred dollars.  Generally speaking the bike fit take a couple of hours and the bike fit technician takes a ton of measurements, finds your "perfect" position on a fit bike and then adjusts your current bike to the new fit.  They can also set you up for your road position but also take measurements if you want to add on aero bars later (for shorter races, I think you're better off in your drops than putting on clip on aero bars). 

Brian at Fast Splits is fantastic (http://www.fastsplits.com/bikefit_process.cfm).  If you make an appointment with him, let him know that you know Shaun and I. 

If you dont want to spend the money at this point, Shaun does a pretty good bike fit and would be willing to take a look at you and your bike (you'll just have to make the trip down to Southington). 

If your curious here are pictures from my bike fit last year.  Its pretty cool to see the position change. 



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2011-12-20 4:41 PM
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Yeah typical bike fit in Houston ranges from $200 to $350ish.
2011-12-20 4:43 PM
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uhcoog - 2011-12-20 5:41 PM Yeah typical bike fit in Houston ranges from $200 to $350ish.

If its done well, its worth the price.  Most places will also save your cordinates so that if/when you purchase a new bike you can purchase the bike that has the best geometry for you.

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kaburns1214 - 2011-12-20 4:43 PM

uhcoog - 2011-12-20 5:41 PM Yeah typical bike fit in Houston ranges from $200 to $350ish.

If its done well, its worth the price.  Most places will also save your cordinates so that if/when you purchase a new bike you can purchase the bike that has the best geometry for you.

Yeah our club uses Shama Cycles for the most part.  They're the top custom Guru dealer in the States (I think) and Philip is great about recommending whatever brand/model fits you even if it's not one he carries.  Really cool shop.

2011-12-20 6:12 PM
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Thanks Kelly.  I emailed Fast Splits through their website, and mentioned your name.  I'll keep you posted.


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triguy1043 - 2011-12-20 8:57 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Triguy1043 = Jeremy Roberts

2012 Goals

I will be racing for team FCA (Fellowship of Christians Athletes)

Have a Good Rev3 1/2 IM Quassy in Preperation for IM Lake Placid

IM Lake Placid = Sub 12:00

Swim Under 1:15

Bike under 6:20

Run = under 4:20

USMC Marathon under 3:30

 

 

 

Tri guy - we will be doing a few of the same races. Keep the beer cold for me as you will be finishing first.
2011-12-20 6:42 PM
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bryancd - 2011-12-20 12:23 PM
kaburns1214 - 2011-12-20 7:44 AM
gabrelsj - 2011-12-20 9:12 AM

I really want to continue to build a base since I keep reading that with a good base comes faster times.

This is actually a fantastic point.  In my experience, consistency is the key to getting faster.  What this means is swimming, biking and running in a sustainable way day after day.  Getting faster is not about a 12 or 20 week plan or key speed sessions, its just about getting it done.

Right now I'm in the middle of 12 weeks of base (all aerobic biking and running).  At the end of February I'll start building for IMTX.  In any given year, I'll spend about 20 weeks in base, building (and re-building) the aerobic engine.  For me. doing aerobic base work is the best way to stay injury free and stay consistent. 

 

Variability of training intensities provide the greatest adaptations over time. All year round. never use winter as an excuse to not do a harder bit of work from time to time. The notion that spending prolonged periods of time at a single specific intensity is beneficial only is true to a point. Once that point is reached, additional stimulus is required to make improvements. Winter is not an excuse to go slow if you want to be fast.
This a really good point. Unless you are just starting out, and most of those on this thread are not, you should go hard once a week in each sport. Not for long necessarily, but going anaerobic can be good for the soul.
2011-12-20 6:43 PM
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bulfrog - 2011-12-20 2:04 PM

G'day all, 

Not that I'm looking to encourage any trans hemisphere jealousy, but last night was 1000m open water swim night, as part of a local beach series run every Tuesday through the summer. It's the last one till the end of January tho, which is a bit disappointed, I still have a lot to learn  about swimming in the open water... 

I've got a few goals for the year, 

1. Get, and stay injury free

2. Get, and keep my weight below 90kg

3. Consistent training to build a nice big base, the first goal is 10 hours/week, aiming for 12-15 by the end of the year.

4. Finish my first HIM

5. Break 2 hours in the HM. (Both goal 4 and 5 are unfinished business from 2011)

My backlist races include imnz, plus about a month in nz generally.
2011-12-20 6:47 PM
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Just catching up on the posts. Wow! Crazy couple weeks of work. Goals for this year are: train consistently ( always a challenge), sub 2:30 oly, sub 5:30 rev3, sub 4 mary, sub 1:45 hm, sub 22 5k. And as always beat Kelly And Rudy, which really matter more than anything, and hasn't occurred in quite sometime.
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FYI Rudy is a hugger, be aware..... Also if anyone is in new haven ct on december28th, were getting our drink on. Pm me for details


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kaburns1214 - 2011-12-20 3:33 PM
To give you the lawyer answer -- It depends.  You can gain a lot of speed just doing base work (and by base work I mean doing most of your training at an aerobic intensity.  This is not slow, its "steady" -- and determining what steady means is a whole different discussion).  But you do reach a point where you need to add intensity to get faster.

There are differing schools of thought as to where that point is.  My opinion is that for most triathletes in their first few years of consistent training, more base is better.  Bryan (who is a fantastic resource) may differ on this.

In my situation, I'm doing 12 weeks of base, but my base period still includes some faster work.  In particular every 4th week, I'll have tempo bikes and runs and will begin to add in Tabata intervals.  In addition, I'll run a short race once a month and try to go as fast as I can.

You don't have to make it complicated.  Start doing consistenet steady efforts.  When you're feeling good with the steady efforts start to add in some harder, faster efforts.  More so than anything else, getting consistent is going to give you the biggest gains. 



Yeah, the key takeaway is to understand that our bodies don't know what "base" is. There is no magic intensity where we should train in order to become fit. Things like aerobic threshold, VO2 Max, ect. are just numbers which are various shades of grey. All our bodies know is that we are doing "work". It's good to vary the intensity of that "work" on a regular basis. If you are out for a run and feel good, run a little faster for a bit. We get hung up training "zones" which are really meaningless to our bodies, they just give us a framework to design our training but shouldn't be considered gospel or adhered to in a draconian fashion.
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jsklarz - 2011-12-20 7:47 PM Just catching up on the posts. Wow! Crazy couple weeks of work. Goals for this year are: train consistently ( always a challenge), sub 2:30 oly, sub 5:30 rev3, sub 4 mary, sub 1:45 hm, sub 22 5k. And as always beat Kelly And Rudy, which really matter more than anything, and hasn't occurred in quite sometime.

When's the last time you beat either one of us?

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Up for my "long" run this morning and then a swim tonight.  For the next month my schedule is a bit different than normal.  Rather than doing a long bike on Saturday and long run on Sunday, I'm doing my long run in the middle of the week so I can have 2 long bikes on the weekends. 
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kaburns1214 - 2011-12-21 5:22 AM

jsklarz - 2011-12-20 7:47 PM Just catching up on the posts. Wow! Crazy couple weeks of work. Goals for this year are: train consistently ( always a challenge), sub 2:30 oly, sub 5:30 rev3, sub 4 mary, sub 1:45 hm, sub 22 5k. And as always beat Kelly And Rudy, which really matter more than anything, and hasn't occurred in quite sometime.

When's the last time you beat either one of us?

Ouch

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Hour on the trainer this morning.  Will get in some running and maybe a short ride with some friends later.  There is a nice long stretch of rode about 2 miles from my house with a huge shoulder that they hit 2 or 3 times a week after work.  Normally I don't get away from work/parenting until after dark but today Cindy may get home early.


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Was doing the 30 minute test on the trainer this morning and forgot to hit the lap button 10 minutes into the test.....LOL.  I'm still going to use the data, because the zones seem pretty accurate for trainer rides for me.  Heartrate seems to climb much, much higher when I'm riding outside.  My legs are tired. 

Recovery run this afternoon. 

Christmas shopping this afternoon (just odds and ends).  That ought to be fun.  People are so kind and patient in stores this time of year

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Since I slacked and didn't put a pic up of me here ya go:

MeMe and the Girls

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jarvy01 - 2011-12-21 7:38 AM

Was doing the 30 minute test on the trainer this morning and forgot to hit the lap button 10 minutes into the test.....LOL.  I'm still going to use the data, because the zones seem pretty accurate for trainer rides for me.  Heartrate seems to climb much, much higher when I'm riding outside.  My legs are tired. 

Recovery run this afternoon. 

Christmas shopping this afternoon (just odds and ends).  That ought to be fun.  People are so kind and patient in stores this time of year

You are brave.



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5 mile run last night Avg HR 156 pace 8:02. I am finally getting used to running on HR rather then feel.
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