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2012-07-27 10:21 AM
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I ate twice there yesterday (Thursday) and intend to eact there 3 times on the August 1st BUYcott. Not just becasue the food is great, but specifically becasue of the intolerance of their detractors. Roseanne Barr tweeting she hopes that everyone that eats there gets cancer, Chicago refusing to given them permits to build etc...

This is still a free market economy and if people want the product great, but to say you hope they get cancer and refusing to grant them building permits. is very intolerant. 



2012-07-27 10:22 AM
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Anditrigirl - 2012-07-27 11:12 AM
Big Appa - 2012-07-27 11:03 AM
mehaner - 2012-07-27 8:01 AM
Big Appa - 2012-07-27 10:59 AM
Goosedog - 2012-07-27 7:58 AM
jgaither - 2012-07-27 10:53 AM

Last I checked Chipotle's position toward sourcing of it's pork products had nothing to do with anyone's religion. 

The Muslims might be offended.

 

It's ok I doubt the CEO like Muslims either.

wow.  really?

Discrimination of people that don't follow your beliefs. How is it different?

Well, using your logic, isn't that what's going on here with CFA?  The CFA president believes one thing, those who don't agree are boycotting.  Aren't they "discriminating" in your eyes?  Aren't the very ones that espouse tolerance being completely intolerant of the CFA president's RELIGIOUS beliefs?  (It is a RELIGIOUS belief, not a political one to a christian.NOTE: I dislike the use of the word "discrimination" here.  I believe it's out of context.

The only surprising thing here is that this is news.  Imagine: a devotedly conservative, southern, Christian, closed-on-Sundays company founded by an evangelical has a President that is for traditional marriage!?  Is that really shocking?  I can't believe all the people who previously ate there and are now boycotting find this to be a surprise.

Andi

chickfila serves and hires gay people....with the same "my pleasure" we all get, i'm sure....they just don't believe in gay marriage.  feel free to boycott that, but it's NOT discrimination. 

2012-07-27 10:26 AM
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mehaner - 2012-07-27 8:22 AM
Anditrigirl - 2012-07-27 11:12 AM
Big Appa - 2012-07-27 11:03 AM
mehaner - 2012-07-27 8:01 AM
Big Appa - 2012-07-27 10:59 AM
Goosedog - 2012-07-27 7:58 AM
jgaither - 2012-07-27 10:53 AM

Last I checked Chipotle's position toward sourcing of it's pork products had nothing to do with anyone's religion. 

The Muslims might be offended.

 

It's ok I doubt the CEO like Muslims either.

wow.  really?

Discrimination of people that don't follow your beliefs. How is it different?

Well, using your logic, isn't that what's going on here with CFA?  The CFA president believes one thing, those who don't agree are boycotting.  Aren't they "discriminating" in your eyes?  Aren't the very ones that espouse tolerance being completely intolerant of the CFA president's RELIGIOUS beliefs?  (It is a RELIGIOUS belief, not a political one to a christian.NOTE: I dislike the use of the word "discrimination" here.  I believe it's out of context.

The only surprising thing here is that this is news.  Imagine: a devotedly conservative, southern, Christian, closed-on-Sundays company founded by an evangelical has a President that is for traditional marriage!?  Is that really shocking?  I can't believe all the people who previously ate there and are now boycotting find this to be a surprise.

Andi

chickfila serves and hires gay people....with the same "my pleasure" we all get, i'm sure....they just don't believe in gay marriage.  feel free to boycott that, but it's NOT discrimination. 

Was not allowing African Americans or woman to vote discrimination in your point of view?

2012-07-27 10:27 AM
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mehaner - 2012-07-27 11:22 AM

chickfila serves and hires gay people....with the same "my pleasure" we all get, i'm sure....

I would guess the "my pleasure" is just a tad more enthusiastic.

 

 

 

2012-07-27 10:29 AM
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Goosedog - 2012-07-27 8:27 AM
mehaner - 2012-07-27 11:22 AM

chickfila serves and hires gay people....with the same "my pleasure" we all get, i'm sure....

I would guess the "my pleasure" is just a tad more enthusiastic.

 

 

 

LOL

2012-07-27 10:30 AM
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verga - 2012-07-27 11:21 AM

I ate twice there yesterday (Thursday) and intend to eact there 3 times on the August 1st BUYcott. Not just becasue the food is great, but specifically becasue of the intolerance of their detractors. Roseanne Barr tweeting she hopes that everyone that eats there gets cancer, Chicago refusing to given them permits to build etc...

This is still a free market economy and if people want the product great, but to say you hope they get cancer and refusing to grant them building permits. is very intolerant. 

Not only that, it is unconstitutional if free speech still means something.  You are supposed to have the right to free speech without government reprisal even you are an idiot and what you have to say is garbage.



2012-07-27 10:32 AM
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trinnas - 2012-07-27 11:30 AM

Not only that, it is unconstitutional if free speech still means something.  You are supposed to have the right to free speech without government reprisal even you are an idiot and what you have to say is garbage.

The Mayor of Boston has already backed off his crazy talk.  It will be interesting to see if the talk out of Chicago actually results in the refusal of anything.

 

2012-07-27 10:32 AM
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trinnas - 2012-07-27 8:30 AM
verga - 2012-07-27 11:21 AM

I ate twice there yesterday (Thursday) and intend to eact there 3 times on the August 1st BUYcott. Not just becasue the food is great, but specifically becasue of the intolerance of their detractors. Roseanne Barr tweeting she hopes that everyone that eats there gets cancer, Chicago refusing to given them permits to build etc...

This is still a free market economy and if people want the product great, but to say you hope they get cancer and refusing to grant them building permits. is very intolerant. 

Not only that, it is unconstitutional if free speech still means something.  You are supposed to have the right to free speech without government reprisal even you are an idiot and what you have to say is garbage.

Yep, just like the liberals.  

2012-07-27 10:34 AM
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Big Appa - 2012-07-27 11:26 AM
mehaner - 2012-07-27 8:22 AM
Anditrigirl - 2012-07-27 11:12 AM
Big Appa - 2012-07-27 11:03 AM
mehaner - 2012-07-27 8:01 AM
Big Appa - 2012-07-27 10:59 AM
Goosedog - 2012-07-27 7:58 AM
jgaither - 2012-07-27 10:53 AM

Last I checked Chipotle's position toward sourcing of it's pork products had nothing to do with anyone's religion. 

The Muslims might be offended.

 

It's ok I doubt the CEO like Muslims either.

wow.  really?

Discrimination of people that don't follow your beliefs. How is it different?

Well, using your logic, isn't that what's going on here with CFA?  The CFA president believes one thing, those who don't agree are boycotting.  Aren't they "discriminating" in your eyes?  Aren't the very ones that espouse tolerance being completely intolerant of the CFA president's RELIGIOUS beliefs?  (It is a RELIGIOUS belief, not a political one to a christian.NOTE: I dislike the use of the word "discrimination" here.  I believe it's out of context.

The only surprising thing here is that this is news.  Imagine: a devotedly conservative, southern, Christian, closed-on-Sundays company founded by an evangelical has a President that is for traditional marriage!?  Is that really shocking?  I can't believe all the people who previously ate there and are now boycotting find this to be a surprise.

Andi

chickfila serves and hires gay people....with the same "my pleasure" we all get, i'm sure....they just don't believe in gay marriage.  feel free to boycott that, but it's NOT discrimination. 

Was not allowing African Americans or woman to vote discrimination in your point of view?

Apples and oranges one is voicing an opinion the other is acting in a discriminatory fashion.

2012-07-27 10:35 AM
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trinnas - 2012-07-27 11:34 AM

Apples and oranges one is voicing an opinion the other is acting in a discriminatory fashion.

WinShape does more than voice an opinion.

 

2012-07-27 10:36 AM
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Goosedog - 2012-07-27 8:35 AM
trinnas - 2012-07-27 11:34 AM

Apples and oranges one is voicing an opinion the other is acting in a discriminatory fashion.

WinShape does more than voice an opinion.

 

I was also talking about keeping a group of people from getting married. Not just the views of the CEO.



2012-07-27 10:38 AM
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wgraves7582 - 2012-07-27 10:19 AM
Anditrigirl - 2012-07-27 11:12 AM
Big Appa - 2012-07-27 11:03 AM
mehaner - 2012-07-27 8:01 AM
Big Appa - 2012-07-27 10:59 AM
Goosedog - 2012-07-27 7:58 AM
jgaither - 2012-07-27 10:53 AM

Last I checked Chipotle's position toward sourcing of it's pork products had nothing to do with anyone's religion. 

The Muslims might be offended.

 

It's ok I doubt the CEO like Muslims either.

wow.  really?

Discrimination of people that don't follow your beliefs. How is it different?

Well, using your logic, isn't that what's going on here with CFA?  The CFA president believes one thing, those who don't agree are boycotting.  Aren't they "discriminating" in your eyes?  Aren't the very ones that espouse tolerance being completely intolerant of the CFA president's RELIGIOUS beliefs?  (It is a RELIGIOUS belief, not a political one to a christian.)  NOTE: I dislike the use of the word "discrimination" here.  I believe it's out of context.

The only surprising thing here is that this is news.  Imagine: a devotedly conservative, southern, Christian, closed-on-Sundays company founded by an evangelical has a President that is for traditional marriage!?  Is that really shocking?  I can't believe all the people who previously ate there and are now boycotting find this to be a surprise.

Andi

Great point - I cry when we pass one on Sunday traveling (we have none locally) and I cannot obtain a delicious meal from them.

Maybe it was President Obama bringing it out so he didn't keep getting in trouble from small business owners who didn't build their business alone

For the longest time we didn't have a CFA in Omaha and it's one of my favorite places to eat.  We drove to Florida several years ago and did all our driving through GA down and back on Sunday...  I was absolutely livid that all the CFA's were closed on Sundays, and I'm a Christian... haha

2012-07-27 10:40 AM
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jgaither - 2012-07-27 9:53 AM
antlimon166 - 2012-07-27 9:30 AM

you pretty much wrote down exactly how i feel. 

too bad he doesn't push his religious beliefs into the poultry industry?  imagine the positive impact a company like chick-fil-a could have if they pushed to improve the chicken industry like chipotle does for the pork industry. 

Last I checked Chipotle's position toward sourcing of it's pork products had nothing to do with anyone's religion.  Likewise, I have never heard of the christian religion having any particular stance on Chickens.  I don't know that pushing their "christian religion" would improve the practices of the poultry industry. That's just one guy and one church, but opinions on animal cruelty are sparse at it pertains to Christianity, it tends to focus more on how to treat people.

i'm not saying chipotle's stance is religious based. 

i'm simply saying that i would hope that someone with such strong beliefs on sexuality, based on their faith, would also have strong feelings on animal cruelty based on faith.  from your article..."they do not have rights but should not be abused".  one could argue that the treatment of animals has a direct correlation to the treatment of humans, when it comes to food.

there are so many things worth more comotion than this guy and his company's stance on sexuality.  my point was that if he focused as much energy on where he gets his product as he does on gay marriage he'd have a pretty big impact on the quality of chickens (taste and life).

2012-07-27 10:44 AM
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Big Appa - 2012-07-27 11:26 AM
mehaner - 2012-07-27 8:22 AM
Anditrigirl - 2012-07-27 11:12 AM
Big Appa - 2012-07-27 11:03 AM
mehaner - 2012-07-27 8:01 AM
Big Appa - 2012-07-27 10:59 AM
Goosedog - 2012-07-27 7:58 AM
jgaither - 2012-07-27 10:53 AM

Last I checked Chipotle's position toward sourcing of it's pork products had nothing to do with anyone's religion. 

The Muslims might be offended.

 

It's ok I doubt the CEO like Muslims either.

wow.  really?

Discrimination of people that don't follow your beliefs. How is it different?

Well, using your logic, isn't that what's going on here with CFA?  The CFA president believes one thing, those who don't agree are boycotting.  Aren't they "discriminating" in your eyes?  Aren't the very ones that espouse tolerance being completely intolerant of the CFA president's RELIGIOUS beliefs?  (It is a RELIGIOUS belief, not a political one to a christian.NOTE: I dislike the use of the word "discrimination" here.  I believe it's out of context.

The only surprising thing here is that this is news.  Imagine: a devotedly conservative, southern, Christian, closed-on-Sundays company founded by an evangelical has a President that is for traditional marriage!?  Is that really shocking?  I can't believe all the people who previously ate there and are now boycotting find this to be a surprise.

Andi

chickfila serves and hires gay people....with the same "my pleasure" we all get, i'm sure....they just don't believe in gay marriage.  feel free to boycott that, but it's NOT discrimination. 

Was not allowing African Americans or woman to vote discrimination in your point of view?

yes because that is actually discrimination.  i have not yet heard of chick fil a turning away a gay customer.  you keep saying that word but it does not mean what you think it means.

2012-07-27 10:46 AM
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trinnas - 2012-07-27 11:34 AM

Apples and oranges one is voicing an opinion the other is acting in a discriminatory fashion.

This is old news (and I appreciate that the source is biased) but WinShape does, apparently, refuse to allow LBGT couples at their marriage camps.  I don't know if this story has been debunked or not, but, if true, that is acting in a discriminatory fashion.  Personally, I don't have a problem with a private marriage camp being open only to man/woman couples, but it is discriminatory.  If true. 

http://news.change.org/stories/yes-chick-fil-a-says-we-explicitly-do-not-like-same-sex-couples

 

 



Edited by Goosedog 2012-07-27 10:47 AM
2012-07-27 10:46 AM
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Goosedog - 2012-07-27 11:35 AM
trinnas - 2012-07-27 11:34 AM

Apples and oranges one is voicing an opinion the other is acting in a discriminatory fashion.

WinShape does more than voice an opinion.

 

I do not know who WinShape is but if they are creating ad campaigns and lobbying legislatures they are still only voicing an opinion albeit with money.  Unless you are saying they are actively keeping gay people out of restaurants which would be an act of discrimination.



2012-07-27 10:50 AM
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mehaner - 2012-07-27 8:44 AM

yes because that is actually discrimination.  i have not yet heard of chick fil a turning away a gay customer.  you keep saying that word but it does not mean what you think it means.

The act of keeping a group of people from marring is discrimination and the CEO agrees with it. I didn't say CFA is doing it as a company. I said its fine for people who don’t want to spend money somewhere that "might" agree with discrimination. You came in with "really" when I made a joke that the CEO (not CFA) didn't like Muslims either. So are you arguing the point of the CEO or CFA?

2012-07-27 10:53 AM
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Goosedog - 2012-07-27 11:46 AM
trinnas - 2012-07-27 11:34 AM

Apples and oranges one is voicing an opinion the other is acting in a discriminatory fashion.

This is old news (and I appreciate that the source is biased) but WinShape does, apparently, refuse to allow LBGT couples at their marriage camps.  I don't know if this story has been debunked or not, but, if true, that is acting in a discriminatory fashion.  Personally, I don't have a problem with a private marriage camp being open only to man/woman couples, but it is discriminatory.  If true. 

http://news.change.org/stories/yes-chick-fil-a-says-we-explicitly-do-not-like-same-sex-couples

 

 

Now that is a much murkier issue as you are now getting into freedom of religion areas.

The Catholic church is allowed to discriminate against women by not making them priests yet there is no outcry over that.



Edited by trinnas 2012-07-27 10:55 AM
2012-07-27 10:56 AM
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trinnas - 2012-07-27 11:53 AM
Goosedog - 2012-07-27 11:46 AM
trinnas - 2012-07-27 11:34 AM

Apples and oranges one is voicing an opinion the other is acting in a discriminatory fashion.

This is old news (and I appreciate that the source is biased) but WinShape does, apparently, refuse to allow LBGT couples at their marriage camps.  I don't know if this story has been debunked or not, but, if true, that is acting in a discriminatory fashion.  Personally, I don't have a problem with a private marriage camp being open only to man/woman couples, but it is discriminatory.  If true. 

http://news.change.org/stories/yes-chick-fil-a-says-we-explicitly-do-not-like-same-sex-couples

Now that is a much murkier issue as you are now getting into freedom of religion areas.

Not really.  I don't think any government agency is saying that the camps must allow LGBT couples. 

 

2012-07-27 10:56 AM
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trinnas - 2012-07-27 11:53 AM
Goosedog - 2012-07-27 11:46 AM
trinnas - 2012-07-27 11:34 AM

Apples and oranges one is voicing an opinion the other is acting in a discriminatory fashion.

This is old news (and I appreciate that the source is biased) but WinShape does, apparently, refuse to allow LBGT couples at their marriage camps.  I don't know if this story has been debunked or not, but, if true, that is acting in a discriminatory fashion.  Personally, I don't have a problem with a private marriage camp being open only to man/woman couples, but it is discriminatory.  If true. 

http://news.change.org/stories/yes-chick-fil-a-says-we-explicitly-do-not-like-same-sex-couples

Now that is a much murkier issue as you are now getting into freedom of religion areas.

The Catholic church is allowed to discriminate against women by not making them priests yet there is no outcry over that.

OK, so we agree.

 

2012-07-27 10:57 AM
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trinnas - 2012-07-27 10:53 AM

Now that is a much murkier issue as you are now getting into freedom of religion areas.

The Catholic church is allowed to discriminate against women by not making them priests yet there is no outcry over that.

*giggle*

"Oh boy."

{grabs popcorn}



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2012-07-27 10:58 AM
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Goosedog - 2012-07-27 11:56 AM
trinnas - 2012-07-27 11:53 AM
Goosedog - 2012-07-27 11:46 AM
trinnas - 2012-07-27 11:34 AM

Apples and oranges one is voicing an opinion the other is acting in a discriminatory fashion.

This is old news (and I appreciate that the source is biased) but WinShape does, apparently, refuse to allow LBGT couples at their marriage camps.  I don't know if this story has been debunked or not, but, if true, that is acting in a discriminatory fashion.  Personally, I don't have a problem with a private marriage camp being open only to man/woman couples, but it is discriminatory.  If true. 

http://news.change.org/stories/yes-chick-fil-a-says-we-explicitly-do-not-like-same-sex-couples

Now that is a much murkier issue as you are now getting into freedom of religion areas.

Not really.  I don't think any government agency is saying that the camps must allow LGBT couples. 

 

OK then what does it have to do with not letting African Americans and women vote?  I am not following what you are trying to get at.



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2012-07-27 11:00 AM
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trinnas - 2012-07-27 11:53 AM

The Catholic church is allowed to discriminate against women by not making them priests yet there is no outcry over that.

Well, you do have the Episcopals.

 

2012-07-27 11:01 AM
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I liked that he didn't hide or try to give the run around on this. We don't eat junk food often, but I'll likely aim for this a little more often.
2012-07-27 11:02 AM
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I'm not as informed as I should be to really contribute effectively so I will refrain, I should talk to my dad who parishes basically the only Lutheran church in STL that is open to G/L/TG peoples.  I'm sure he has some information he could educate me on.

 

BUT, I don know one thing and I said it before but it's worth repeating... 

Chick-Fil-A is freaking delicous.

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