NRA: Armed guards for schools is the answer (Page 5)

Tax ALL gun sales at the same rate as cigarettes (biggest single reason for lower cigarette use).  Think of all the revenue we'd generate and the many fewer guns added to the already huge pile!

Leaving a right to only the privileged that can afford it.

We tax other thing from the bill of rights also? Want to use your freedom of speech sure $100.

Well, I guess you and the PTA need to start up a bake sale.  I will go right ahead and not beat around the bush.  It's not worth the money spent.  $5.4 billion to potentially save 2 lives, no way.  It was a horrible horrible thing that happened.  But look at the math and it was a VERY VERY small partial percentage of all the students, staff and people at schools in the entire USA.

Whether one wants to believe it or not, our kids ARE safe in the schools as thing are.  Are they 100% safe, NO and they never will be!  You can put 10 armed guards at every school and kids will still have the same chance of getting killed (simply looking at a % of school days vs kids vs tragedies).

This would be nothing more than a TSA for schools so parents, like air passengers, can FEEL safer. 

Yes, thank you.  Well put!

I've read the posts, so a few comments and observations:

1. Saying that a shooting occurred when there was a cop present, and that proves that the idea is useless, is like suggesting that police departments be dismantled. After all, crime still occurs, right? No, there are no guarantees, but if this stops a few, then it was worth it. Just like my bike lock is not guaranteed to stop a thief, but there is a good chance that the thief will try a different target.

2. Yes, one day there will be security at malls, churches, etc. Synagogues sometimes have them, because they are already a target. Don't like it? Me neither, but guns exist, people who will use them exist, and wishing otherwise will not change that fact.

3. In addition to the cop at the front door, you make that the only possible entrance, with the guard having some form of protection, or at least clear view who is coming in. In addition, the school can have a roster of parents who are added to the guard duty. Depending on the size of the school, each parent will give a few hours every month or two. Yes, I know, we don't like that either, but again, if it saves lives, I'll live with it.

4. Yes, there is a solution for someone trying to set off a bomb. Shoot him in the head, not center mass, and s/he won't.

Times have changed. There are many reasons, but it doesn't really change a few simple truths. There are guns. Lot's of them. They will not be taken away from those that have them legally, and those that have them illegally, are not about to turn them in. There are people who are willing to use them, because they are nut's, trying to make a point, ideological reasons, religious reasons, and a few more that I haven't thought of. Passing a few more laws to say that it is illegal to commit mass murder wont work.

Sadly the solution is to decide on priorities, spend a lot of money, and hopefully be equipped to deal with the problem when it arises. Don't like the idea? Me neither. But until someone can come up with a better one that actually has a chance of working, we will probably have to go with this one.

I grew up in Israel. I grew up with security at schools, malls, theaters, school trips, etc. EVERY generation of parents wished with all their hearts that their children will not need to experience this. And hopefully, one day that will be true (hey, without hope, why bother getting out of bed in the morning?). However, I am very and truly sad to be of the opinion that this need will spread, not decline.

Nice idea, but not possible.

 Yeah, arming teachers is risky. Think of a teacher breaking up a fight. Kid reaches in and grabs the gun from teacher's concealed carry and pops a round into someone. A kid taking the teacher's gun from a handbag when he/she's not looking. Armed teachers isn't gonna work.

And when it happens again only this time the guard is shot first?  What will you do then?  What law will you make, what policy will you put in place?  And what lunatic will find a way around it.  This is not Isreal and though tragic Newton is an abberation.  You cannot stop all abberations and maintain anything that even resembles a free society.  I am sorry but on some level this is the price we pay; evil exists and sometimes we will be made to suffer for it.  Kneejerk policies to assuage our fears and our hurts will not stop it from happening again.

Well, at least I agree with your first paragraph.

We're talking about 3 isolated mass school shootings over a 13 year period. As horrific and devastating as they each were, you have better odds of winning the powerball than you do of having something like this happen to your kid's school. But by all means, let's have the feds throw billions of dollars at this. They're real good at fixin' things. Let's take police off the streets where the criminals, and put them in the schools so that parents can sleep a little better. 

So Harris was shooting at him rather than unarmed students sounds like it may have saved some lives.  Less time and bullets to kill unarmed kids.  Huh maybe he did not stop it but slowed it down.  Just a thought.

I understand how this could be an idea...  (and this may have been mentioned already, I didn't read 7 pages).

I still wonder, are teachers and guards ammune to snapping and/or mental issues?

So some armed guard starts to get stressed/depress in a bad marriage, finds out his wife is cheating on him and wants a divorce and using the kids as leverage...  has nothing to live for and maybe something to prove...

Or an armed teacher or principle?

In the past, the shooters have to target a school and go there.  No you have people with guns AT the school?

It may be a solution, but it's a BAD one, IMO.  Sad we would even have to consider it.  Guns at schools and around kids is just a bad idea...

As a side note.  I think it made national news, but a US Marine decided he would stand outside his girls school just in uniform (not armed).  Thinking just the uniform itself would/could keep any bad guys from thinking about going in.  I don't think it did anything, but I was proud of him for at least doing it.

No problem. Then we can adopt your method. Accept that shooting and attacks will occur and increase, and just hope they happen to someone else.

I agree with this and I wonder if the NRA might not have preferred to say this but knew they would be blasted for "downplaying" the death of 20 kids.

Why are they going to increase?

Couldn't this happen with a cop, or a soldier? Perhaps a secret service or FBI agent?

Of course.  And I'm sure it does.

A few obvious reasons come to mind.

As mentioned in some late threads, the mental health care leaves room for improvement. In fact, it seems to have gotten worse. So if they aren't locked up, there are those that are a potential problem.

Easier to get a gun and shoot up a school/mall then to hijack a plane. And what better way to protest an action in Iraq then shoot up a school in nowhere, USA (yes, this is sarcasm). Actually better, by the way, since this will make everyone afraid, since the attacks aren't only in big cities.

Violence to prove an ideological or religious point happens. Easy access to weapons makes it, well, easier.

No doubt a few more that haven't occurred to me.

So we take all the weapons away? Or just don't trust the security guard at school?

Guess what, the answer was right in my post, if you wanted to read the whole thing and not just a selection.

If you could provide some statistical reference to back up this claim?

or

Is this just your emotional response?

You do realize that in most states to get a CCW you have to pass a certification after proper training.

I just don't understand the mindset that says I want to forbid you by law from defending yourself.

I think in my state the certification is slightly more stringent than getting a club card for the local grocery store.  Not sure I consider that proper training for someone to protect my child- vs. say a police academy or military training.

Guess what. I re-read your post, and I am apparently just too dumb to understand the answer. Can you explain it, using simple one syllable words, please?

Thanks.