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2013-03-25 2:38 PM
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Asalzwed - 2013-03-25 3:36 PM

Have we totally screwed up your RR writing with all this talk?

If not, we can always move on to the Hanson's Method Wink

Oh. My. God. I read a short article on them once and quickly figured out they areway past me. They got stuff figured out, but it is only for a select few folks.



2013-03-25 2:40 PM
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OMG I need to publicly complain about this so you guys know what I have been going through every  day!

Our gym @ work is getting renovated (starting with the locker rooms) So in the interim we are using the "commuter" locker room which apparently uses a different hot water supply and is not built for the capacity it's currently placed under. Anyway, long story short I have had to start ever day with a COLD shower. Like, really cold. And the new locker rooms don't open until May Yell

You can seriously stand outside of the locker room and hear women shrieking every morning. It's that bad. 

2013-03-25 2:40 PM
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Asalzwed - 2013-03-26 4:36 AM

Have we totally screwed up your RR writing with all this talk?

If not, we can always move on to the Hanson's Method Wink

ohnoyoudint

although Jo has used it and so far seems to have some good things to say about it.

Yes. You have BOLLOCKSED my RR writing. For shame.

I should go to sleep, but I'll just take a long nap tomorrow evening before dinner and/or go to bed very early.

I need ridiculousness of the actually funny and "normal" (meaning we normally do it) sort right now anyway.

2013-03-25 2:41 PM
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Asalzwed - 2013-03-25 2:36 PM

Have we totally screwed up your RR writing with all this talk?

If not, we can always move on to the Hanson's Method Wink

Please enlighten. Since you've got all this time . . . . Innocent (taper, taper, taper)

2013-03-25 2:42 PM
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Asalzwed - 2013-03-26 4:40 AM

OMG I need to publicly complain about this so you guys know what I have been going through every  day!

Our gym @ work is getting renovated (starting with the locker rooms) So in the interim we are using the "commuter" locker room which apparently uses a different hot water supply and is not built for the capacity it's currently placed under. Anyway, long story short I have had to start ever day with a COLD shower. Like, really cold. And the new locker rooms don't open until May Yell

You can seriously stand outside of the locker room and hear women shrieking every morning. It's that bad. 

Pfffft that's just my life normally Kiss

That was funny though. And didn't it just snow up there, too? Yikes!

Simple. Don't shower Wet wipes and dry shampoo are your friend.

2013-03-25 2:43 PM
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Asalzwed - 2013-03-25 2:18 PM
KansasMom - 2013-03-25 2:15 PM
Asalzwed - 2013-03-25 12:16 PM
TriAya - 2013-03-25 12:07 PM
bcraht - 2013-03-26 1:52 AM
Asalzwed - 2013-03-25 9:17 AM

So, as you said, doing the run/walk is a pacing strategy. Does this mean it's something you want to practice throughout all of your different workouts or is it something you more just want to use in a longer run/race?

I guess I really don't know much about it other than when it's used as a longer distance race strategy (IE walking through the water stations.)

Maybe someone can point me to something that discusses the philosophy?

This  is from Galloways website.  I guess I am just a little bit at a loss of where to go/start.  Other than when I first started running, I have never been away from running this long (so that I feel like I am starting completely from the beginning).  I did a program through the Running Room for my first (well, only) marathon, and they do run 10/walk 1 min for all runs (their take on run/walk).  I took a bit of time off after the mary, then when I went back to training, I sort of 'forgot' about the walk breaks and ran only.  That worked fine.  Now coming back from injury, my PT wanted me to start back with run/walk just to ease in.  She is fine with going to full runs ultimately, but I did pretty well with run walk so am considering going back to it.  I dunno.  

I would like someone to send me to the website www.kirstenscomingbackfrominjuryrunprogram.com

So start back with run/walk. Do whatever kind of a ratio lets you do the whole distance/time easy, doing the run part easy and the walk part easy to moderate. The exact ratio really isn't important (unless you are truly doing a Galloway plan for a specific race to the T, which you're not).

This part I do agree with Jeff on, though; if you're going to do a run/walk ratio that can be broken down to a shorter-run but equivalent whole-minute ratio, then do the shorter-run one.

For example: rather than 10:2, do 5:1. (I don't think I saw any of those in your examples though).

His programs just seem SO minimal. 

I get what he is saying about the walk breaks/ratios. And that is totally fine. But I don't think he is setting anyone up for success. If he spent more time having you actually run, I doubt you would need as much walking. I dunno ... I don't like it at all. If you are not ready to commit to the demand of marathon training time, don't do a marathon. 

Kirsten, I am not speaking to you. Just to his marathon plan. So don't get me wrong.

You need to do what you need to do in order to stay healthy and progressively ramp up your volume.

I've thought about it like that as well, but actually, because his marathon plan calls for something like a 30 mile training run/walk, that's serious time, especially with the walking. He's all about covering the distance, without injury. So, for Kirsten or anyone else being cautious or coming back from an injury, I think he is spot on.

Otherwise, and this is from reading his book, I think that some of the issues he brings forward can be taken care of with proper pacing. By "proper" I mean, pacing that is appropriate for a particular runner. For instance, my 12 year old and I can both easily run a 10 minute mile. I run the whole thing. He sprints, then walks, then sprints, and walks. I keep harping on him: pacing, pacing, pacing.

That being said, I still walk quickly through water stations on long runs (although not in training very much), not so much for the rest but because I don't want water poured all over myself. I am not very graceful.

I still am not sold. But we can agree to disagree. I'd never ever recommend one of his plans other than the case that Yanti stated about long enduro-marches and maybe within an IM plan. 

Well, I don't really think we are disagreeing. I am not a Galloway fan, necessarily, but I think I do understand his philosophy/reasoning well enough. Understanding is not the same as agreeing.



2013-03-25 2:45 PM
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TriAya - 2013-03-25 2:42 PM
Asalzwed - 2013-03-26 4:40 AM

OMG I need to publicly complain about this so you guys know what I have been going through every  day!

Our gym @ work is getting renovated (starting with the locker rooms) So in the interim we are using the "commuter" locker room which apparently uses a different hot water supply and is not built for the capacity it's currently placed under. Anyway, long story short I have had to start ever day with a COLD shower. Like, really cold. And the new locker rooms don't open until May Yell

You can seriously stand outside of the locker room and hear women shrieking every morning. It's that bad. 

Pfffft that's just my life normally Kiss

That was funny though. And didn't it just snow up there, too? Yikes!

Simple. Don't shower Wet wipes and dry shampoo are your friend.

Yeah, it's almost like I set you up for that comment, eh?

I've never used dry shampoo but it might be time to start! Or I may shower before I ride in and just do my hair at work since I don't get TOO sweaty on the bike. I don't think I can handle another cold shower.

2013-03-25 2:46 PM
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KansasMom - 2013-03-25 2:41 PM
Asalzwed - 2013-03-25 2:36 PM

Have we totally screwed up your RR writing with all this talk?

If not, we can always move on to the Hanson's Method Wink

Please enlighten. Since you've got all this time . . . . Innocent (taper, taper, taper)

Ha, I would actually like to read their book first.

I just think it's one of those plans that people see and think, "Oh, less work?Sounds good!" but don't really follow the principles.

I'll read the book and get back to you though. That's a safe activity for taper! 

2013-03-25 2:49 PM
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I am going to make hot chocolate with teddy bear marshmallows and scout the kitchen for anything that doesn't qualify as food, but that I want to eat.

ex/ Pop Tarts, popcorn, chocolate, etc.

2013-03-25 2:52 PM
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TriAya - 2013-03-25 12:49 PM

I am going to make hot chocolate with teddy bear marshmallows and scout the kitchen for anything that doesn't qualify as food, but that I want to eat.

ex/ Pop Tarts, popcorn, chocolate, etc.

What???? Popcorn isn't a food? I even put it in its own group!

2013-03-25 2:54 PM
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4agoodlife - 2013-03-25 2:52 PM
TriAya - 2013-03-25 12:49 PM

I am going to make hot chocolate with teddy bear marshmallows and scout the kitchen for anything that doesn't qualify as food, but that I want to eat.

ex/ Pop Tarts, popcorn, chocolate, etc.

What???? Popcorn isn't a food? I even put it in its own group!

Yeah, it's like a ... a whole grain right????



2013-03-25 2:55 PM
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4agoodlife - 2013-03-26 4:52 AM
TriAya - 2013-03-25 12:49 PM

I am going to make hot chocolate with teddy bear marshmallows and scout the kitchen for anything that doesn't qualify as food, but that I want to eat.

ex/ Pop Tarts, popcorn, chocolate, etc.

What???? Popcorn isn't a food? I even put it in its own group!

Not the way I ideally have it

However, I actually like plain air-popped corn too. Just not nearly as much as the kettle or butter-riddled varieties. Or cheddar cheese. Or bacon-bitsed.

2013-03-25 3:02 PM
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DH hooked the trainer up to my bike last night! So I can now be productive (training-wise) during my "mommy time" in the afternoon. Going to try for an hour today, but we'll see how I feel after a week of butt time. Yuck...

Did I see that Janyne took first in AG??? Wheeeehaw! Another Super Wo-Manatee Laughing

2013-03-25 3:06 PM
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Asalzwed - 2013-03-25 12:54 PM
4agoodlife - 2013-03-25 2:52 PM
TriAya - 2013-03-25 12:49 PM

I am going to make hot chocolate with teddy bear marshmallows and scout the kitchen for anything that doesn't qualify as food, but that I want to eat.

ex/ Pop Tarts, popcorn, chocolate, etc.

What???? Popcorn isn't a food? I even put it in its own group!

Yeah, it's like a ... a whole grain right????

Yes! It's a family "thing". Mom made for movie nights on weekend for years. Now I do it with my kids. Pop in pan on stove. Pour on a bit of real melted butter and lightly salt. Soooooo good!

2013-03-25 3:08 PM
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4agoodlife - 2013-03-26 5:02 AM

DH hooked the trainer up to my bike last night! So I can now be productive (training-wise) during my "mommy time" in the afternoon. Going to try for an hour today, but we'll see how I feel after a week of butt time. Yuck...

Did I see that Janyne took first in AG??? Wheeeehaw! Another Super Wo-Manatee Laughing

I love this.

And anything involving butt time.

2013-03-25 3:08 PM
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OH EM GEE I'M FINALLY AT RACE DAY IN MY RACE REPORT


2013-03-25 3:14 PM
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TriAya - 2013-03-25 3:08 PM OH EM GEE I'M FINALLY AT RACE DAY IN MY RACE REPORT

That is nuts. I should have you start writing my RRs. 

2013-03-25 3:19 PM
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Oh, so THIS happened this weekend, too! HAHA you know you have a ton of cousins/run a lot when stuff like this happens:

2013-03-25 3:25 PM
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TriAya - 2013-03-25 12:31 PM
Asalzwed - 2013-03-26 4:18 AM

I still am not sold. But we can agree to disagree. I'd never ever recommend one of his plans other than the case that Yanti stated about long enduro-marches and maybe within an IM plan. 

BTW I would not (I can't say never, but mostly not) recommend a Galloway plan for the run part of triathlon training, especially distance. His plans are (basically, but with a lot of very important provisos) two 30-45min training runs per week and one progressively longer (with some cutbacks esp. once into the teens) run each weekend, going up to 26mi for the marathon-prep long run.

Way too much recovery required from those long runs.

He does allow for cross-training, but basically it'd be just enough to "just finish" sprint distances of S/B, although truth be told if one can swim in the day's conditions and bike, one can probably "just finish" an Oly, maybe even an HIM without really training.

Run:walk is another thing altogether.

And this is where I had said I wanted to do a cross between Barry P and Galloway.  But maybe I should've said Barry P with run/walk.  I honestly hadn't thought about/looked into Galloways PLANS, just the run/walk.  Now I understand the concerns you have Salty.

2013-03-25 3:26 PM
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OwoooOOOOoooooOOOooo

I'm also supposed to translate my dad's autobiography into English in time to have a bunch of copies printed for his official memorial on April 25th. (Muslim funerals here are very fast, gotta get 'em in the ground by sundown, so memorials are often held 40 days, an auspicious date, after the burial).

It's awesome, and a privilege. There are dignitaries coming in from all over the world, including two U.S. Senators. My dad was one of the founders of the country, the Indonesian intelligence organization, helped organize our armed forces, and was the point man for Indonesian-U.S. relations for most of his life, among many other things. That's not even to mention how--err--interesting his personal and family life were. (Those shall be included in my unauthorized, unedited version of his biography. )

But not so darn fast! aaaaaaaah

I'm thinking Google Translate is going to be my friend. It can do it a lot faster than I can, and my editing/proofing is REALLY fast. It doesn't have to be a tremendous linguistic rendition at this point--just generally accurate and readable. The events and stories are so powerful themselves; they really do the speaking for themselves.

2013-03-25 3:26 PM
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Asalzwed - 2013-03-25 3:46 PM
KansasMom - 2013-03-25 2:41 PM
Asalzwed - 2013-03-25 2:36 PM

Have we totally screwed up your RR writing with all this talk?

If not, we can always move on to the Hanson's Method Wink

Please enlighten. Since you've got all this time . . . . Innocent (taper, taper, taper)

Ha, I would actually like to read their book first.

I just think it's one of those plans that people see and think, "Oh, less work?Sounds good!" but don't really follow the principles.

I'll read the book and get back to you though. That's a safe activity for taper! 

My entire Hanson knowledge is summed up in one word:

Intensity.

That's all I know. Oh and I know that Janyne Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!

There may be other stuff, but I'm going to drink and watch Spring Training while hanging out with TW (The Wife) tonight, so I may kill those brain cells



2013-03-25 3:30 PM
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Asalzwed - 2013-03-25 1:19 PM

Oh, so THIS happened this weekend, too! HAHA you know you have a ton of cousins/run a lot when stuff like this happens:

no butt slap on the way by?
2013-03-25 3:36 PM
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Just did my first ever Yoga class.  Is it normal afterwards to feel like I just smoked a fat one? Surprised
2013-03-25 3:42 PM
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bcraht - 2013-03-26 5:36 AM Just did my first ever Yoga class.  Is it normal afterwards to feel like I just smoked a fat one? Surprised

Sweet! I gotta do more yoga!

LOL. Yes. It can feel that way.

Avoid the brownies.

2013-03-25 4:11 PM
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Sooooo, Yanti, you didn't like my baby tapir? Off to see what you said on facebook.
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