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Dream Chaser - 2010-02-26 8:36 PM

Where the heck is Jorge when you need him??  He'd know exactly what to do!  It reminds me of the middle of the movie Superman II, and Superman leaves planet earth (BT LP blog in this case) at just the time when the people need him most.. 



Now you know he is busy trying to get Jenn to train and stop selling houses.



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PennState - 2010-02-27 5:27 PM Lastly, anyone who has any LP questions please feel free to PM me. I have semi-private logs which allows only friends to see... but would be more than happy to share any expertise on the course or ironman in general.

Fred



Fred you should start a mentor group. Laughing




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Dream Chaser - 2010-02-26 5:00 PM
My stand-alone marathons are 3:33 and 3:34 ... so I'm hoping to get my swim and bike fitness to the point where I can run a 3:45-ish.  



Hi! God of Reality here! forget 3:45, plan on a 4.
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bryancd - 2010-02-27 6:10 PM
Dream Chaser - 2010-02-26 5:00 PM My stand-alone marathons are 3:33 and 3:34 ... so I'm hoping to get my swim and bike fitness to the point where I can run a 3:45-ish.  

Hi! God of Reality here! forget 3:45, plan on a 4.

Well now that you said that, you know I gotta go and prove you wrong.  

Actually, I don't care what the time is... as long as it's fast enough to beat Cusetri.  OHHH!!

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bryancd - 2010-02-27 6:10 PM
Dream Chaser - 2010-02-26 5:00 PM My stand-alone marathons are 3:33 and 3:34 ... so I'm hoping to get my swim and bike fitness to the point where I can run a 3:45-ish.  
Hi! God of Reality here! forget 3:45, plan on a 4.


love you dude!
you speak the absolute truth!


I am about to go to bed. I have been awake for about 34 of the past 36 hours...I have no time for being gentle. James, I love you brother, prove me wrong, but there is no such thing as the IRONMAN run fairy to sprinkle trixie dust on that biatch.


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bryancd - 2010-02-27 9:26 PM I am about to go to bed. I have been awake for about 34 of the past 36 hours...I have no time for being gentle. James, I love you brother, prove me wrong, but there is no such thing as the IRONMAN run fairy to sprinkle trixie dust on that biatch.



What!?!???  How did my name come into this? 

I think this represents confusion.  Undecided


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I just want to better my time from last year.  Maybe if it’s a good day KQ.  Sealed

Swim  :58
T1  :04
Bike  5:25
T2  :02
Run:4:00 

10:29




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PennState - 2010-02-27 5:26 PM
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Dream Chaser - 2010-02-26 8:36 PM

Where the heck is Jorge when you need him??  He'd know exactly what to do!  It reminds me of the middle of the movie Superman II, and Superman leaves planet earth (BT LP blog in this case) at just the time when the people need him most.. 



Now you know he is busy trying to get Jenn to train and stop selling houses.



Jenn is pretty amazing at selling houses... better at selling them houses than doing ironman's???


Thanks!    In all reality I am so busy at work that I just sent Jorge an email that I'm genuinely concerned about my ability to do the training & race.  It is awesome to be so busy & I am so grateful, but it is not awesome for IM training.  Sleeping <5 hours/night isn't gonna cut it.  Hopefully I can get on a good sleep schedule and start getting extremely efficient with my time! 
2010-02-28 5:28 AM
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bryancd - 2010-02-27 9:26 PM
PennState - 2010-02-27 8:20 PM
bryancd - 2010-02-27 6:10 PM
Dream Chaser - 2010-02-26 5:00 PM My stand-alone marathons are 3:33 and 3:34 ... so I'm hoping to get my swim and bike fitness to the point where I can run a 3:45-ish.  
Hi! God of Reality here! forget 3:45, plan on a 4.


love you dude!
you speak the absolute truth!
I am about to go to bed. I have been awake for about 34 of the past 36 hours...I have no time for being gentle. James, I love you brother, prove me wrong, but there is no such thing as the IRONMAN run fairy to sprinkle trixie dust on that biatch.

Not sure how you got in there either James.  I don't believe in trixie dust either, but I plan to put in the training provided to make a go of it.  Regardless of my time, and truth be told, so long as I finish in sub 17... then I will be an Ironman.  And that's the #1 goal, to finish.  Everything else to me is gravy. 



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bryancd - 2010-02-27 9:26 PM I am about to go to bed. I have been awake for about 34 of the past 36 hours...I have no time for being gentle. James, I love you brother, prove me wrong, but there is no such thing as the IRONMAN run fairy to sprinkle trixie dust on that biatch.



What!?!???  How did my name come into this? 

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It does! I told you I was tired.... I'm better now.

All teasing aside, you should train to pace your marathon about 20-30 seconds faster than what you will actually run. And open Marathon plus 20-30min is a good IM run split goal. So if you want a 3:45 run split, train to run a sub 3:30 pace in your long runs. I trained my long runs to the very low 7's and ended up running in the mid 7's. That's what you should expect.

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bryancd - 2010-02-28 7:26 AM
tasr - 2010-02-27 8:33 PM
bryancd - 2010-02-27 9:26 PM I am about to go to bed. I have been awake for about 34 of the past 36 hours...I have no time for being gentle. James, I love you brother, prove me wrong, but there is no such thing as the IRONMAN run fairy to sprinkle trixie dust on that biatch.



What!?!???  How did my name come into this? 

I think this represents confusion.  Undecided


It does! I told you I was tired.... I'm better now. All teasing aside, you should train to pace your marathon about 20-30 seconds faster than what you will actually run. And open Marathon plus 20-30min is a good IM run split goal. So if you want a 3:45 run split, train to run a sub 3:30 pace in your long runs. I trained my long runs to the very low 7's and ended up running in the mid 7's. That's what you should expect.

I ran a 3:34 Marathon in 2007 and then a 3:33 this past October on very little running (actually my longest run was one single 15 miler); AND I ran that 3:33 exactly six days after a HIM.  I feel confident right now I could run a stand-alone 3:2X Marathon.  I also plan to increase the speed of my long runs once the weather gets warmer.  Right now I am just running very easy, putting miles into my legs, and building my Running Base. 

I plan to average between 30 to 40 miles running from March through May, peaking at 50 miles a week in mid-June; I plan to be 10 lbs lighter than I've ever been; and I plan to actually seriously train for the Bike, which I've never done before.  I also do not plan on pushing the Swim or the Bike.  Based off all these factors, I think an 8:34 pace for a 3:45 is a reasonable goal, for me.  If I fall apart the last 10k and end up with a 3:5X ... so be it.  But I don't think it's an unreleastic goal if I hit my training goals and arrive to the starting line healthy.    



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the problem with using an open marathon + number is it is based on fitness that is not current.

test yourself every 4-6 weeks in each sport (I assume you are doing this anyway to see if your training is working), with that you can predict each split based on your test numbers and volume.

there are caclulators all over the internet.

dont be using a marathon from last year or a 5k from 7 months ago, or a 1 hour TT from 5 months ago.  use numbers from last week.

or, like bryan said, use your long aerobic runs from 2 days ago. 

saying "yeah, but that run was easy paced, etc, etc...." is not going to paint an accurate picture for you.  You wanna run 8:00's at IMLP...well your long training runs better be at 7:30.

and if you wanna beat cusetri, you better get your a$$ on the trainer....because in about 6 weeks my big volume is gonna to be increasing a little bit.  Smile

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PennState - 2010-02-28 12:18 PM Bob, you goals are admirable and not unrealistic. However, there are 2 ways to predict performance here... 1. Past results... based on your past marathon times, you goals are very aggressive. 2. Likely future fitness. This is what you are using with tour estimate. I don't doubt that you will be more fit than you have ever been come race day, but other stuff gets in the way of an Ironman marathon. Especially the 2nd half of the marathon... its an experience believed only by those who have done it... as I've fallen apart during the second loop both times. Bryan does not fall apart... which is why he is a true elite!


because he has consistent IM volume, which allows him to hit his speed potential.

having a 8:00/mile time goal and justifying it with 7:30 training runs is only half the equation.  the other half is enough training volume to support the speed potenial.

we all can go into IMLP with a 10:30 speed potential; however, if we don't have enough volume we will break down, which  why you need to adjust  your speed potential/goals before the race....i.e., go slower than you are capable of.


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PennState - 2010-02-28 11:28 AM

Also it is hard to average over 30 miles a week


Yeah, I have actually been moving away from the big volume concept and more towards the more quality/intensity model. I think a good athlete, which everyone here posting is, can do 25-30 miles per week run as long as there is weekly tempo/interval/threshold type of work done as opposed to just raw aerobic paced volume. I look at some very fast athletes I know and the recent crop of 70.3 pro's who step up to IM with relatively low run volume base and kill the marathon. There's something there we should all take note of.

To DC, your open pace is what is, you can't say "well, I did blah, blah 3 weeks before" or "I wasn't in great run shape" or "right now I think I could go". All that matter is what actually was and work from there. If you miss pace an IM run, it's not like oh, I'll be 10min slower, it's more like an hour+ because when it goes bad, it goes VERY bad.

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That's my reason for liking the PBN V-dot to run potential chart.  It's not taking a historical race, it's taking your current V-dot ( which we're all figuring out from testing, right? ) and basing potential off of that.  And note, it's potential, not predictive.  Execution and durability will determine whether you reach that potential.

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