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Fred D - 2012-02-07 2:02 PM
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ChrisM - 2012-02-06 11:18 AM

Thanks all, and congrats Kim!!!!

 

Have a question re aerobar bottle placement.  I bought the frame speedfil then went ahead and bought the A2 aerobar bottle as I had a GC to a tri shop.  I have ski bends so could never really mount the bottle up front until now as I wouldn't be able to get it out of the cage.  The question is where to put the A2.  Originally I thought about a cage zip tied to the stem, but that seems very high up, and is at an angle as my stem slopes back down towards me.  For yesterday's ride I simply reseted it between the aero bars and then secured it with an old chip stap and a velcro strap, valve toward me so the flat end of the bottle was sticking out just at the bottom of the upturned bars.  I am assuming this is not very aero, since the bottle is not behind my arms mounted this way and the flat end is out in the wind.  But being on the stem is seems so high?

Thoughts?  I can post pics later if needed.  I really like the concept and it made drinking much easier for me.  Just need to work out the details

I'd love to be able to have the cool straight bar look and just mount the bottle on top of the aerobar extensions but I tried those bars and they were just too uncomfortable.  Speaking of which, anyone want to buy a barely used Planet X carbon aero bar? 

quick bump, thoughts on aerobar bottle setup?

What is the A2?

http://www.invisciddesign.com/A2.htm

Basically a mix between a bottle in a cage on the aeros and the profile design model

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Fred D - 2012-02-07 4:54 PM


So are you folks pushing hard on the bike?



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2012-02-07 6:20 PM
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Fred D - 2012-02-07 4:09 PM Chris ave you ever tried the newer S-bend bars that are straighter, but not totally ski bend?

YEs, had the Planet X bars.  Hurt my wrists so went back to my old bars



2012-02-07 6:20 PM
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Fred D - 2012-02-07 3:54 PM Ok, so full disclosure, my trainer ride this am was definitely an out of the 'comfort' zone ride. I don't remember pushing that hard on my last interval since my last FTP test. So are you folks pushing hard on the bike? Lemme know as I am really asking if you are hitting your intensity stuff the way you need to?

I am just following my plan.  Not a whole lot of intensity involved yet.  Last week it started though.  I think I pushed it pretty good.  My bigger issue is time in the saddle though I think

2012-02-07 6:28 PM
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Fred D - 2012-02-07 2:22 PM Posted some (couldn't resist lol) in the CF thread. I'm not anti weights or CF, but those threads always bring out some pretty extreme points of view. I personally don't have enough free time to do CF and train for SBR, do you? I'm also not looking for shortcuts beyond the ones I am currently taking....

Your like a moth to fire.  lol

Personally I have no choice but to strength train.  I don't get to do it often enough.  I have an imbalance that I paid dearly for during the training for my first HIM.  I got it fixed up with some ART and strength training but now I need to stay on top of it.  I could just stick to the hip but I honestly enjoy strength training and a little does a lot during the season.  I bump it up when I am not in the middle of HIM training cause I enjoy it.  But, I don't think that strength training will make me better at sbr (other then allow me to run pain free), and the attitude that seems to come with CF (not everyone has it of course) bothers me.

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2012-02-07 8:34 PM
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I thought this week's tip from one of the Tri Girl Coaches was pretty good. 

 

Cycling and Triathlon


•Training "Time-Management" - When comparing all the sports in triathlon cycling is the one in which you have the opportunity to make up the most time. This may not be true based on your background but it is typically the case. If you are going to invest extra training time, try to put a good percentage into this area. You will see the greatest time returns. Cycling is also extremely low impact and larger training volume is easily tolerated. Yes, I know you swimming state champ back in high school but you are not going to take 10 min off your 1500


•Swim to Bike - Don't start too hard!!! Period. This is the most common mistake people make. Get out of transition, get on the bike, slam it in a huge gear, and roll it up to 30 mph...for 2 min and then back down to 14, then coasting, then barfing. This is not a efficient approach and will cost you huge time. Let your body and legs come up to speed naturally. Use light gears to get the legs going, get settled in over the first couple minutes, and progress from there. Keeping an eye on cadence will help you a great deal


•Bike to Run - In the closing mile or even two of a triathlon it is good to select slightly easier gears, a slightly higher cadence, and start to open up your legs and breathing for the run. Sit up out of the aero bars, stretch out the upper body and chest/arms, and get yourself loose and relaxed. Roll into transition loose, relaxed, and ready to run. Bombing in at 35, dismounting from the aero bars, flipping over landing in a heap will not help your hematocrit as you bleed out on the ground, ultimately losing precious run time...

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bzgl40 - 2012-02-07 7:34 PM

I thought this week's tip from one of the Tri Girl Coaches was pretty good. 

 

Cycling and Triathlon


•Training "Time-Management" - When comparing all the sports in triathlon cycling is the one in which you have the opportunity to make up the most time. This may not be true based on your background but it is typically the case. If you are going to invest extra training time, try to put a good percentage into this area. You will see the greatest time returns. Cycling is also extremely low impact and larger training volume is easily tolerated. Yes, I know you swimming state champ back in high school but you are not going to take 10 min off your 1500


•Swim to Bike - Don't start too hard!!! Period. This is the most common mistake people make. Get out of transition, get on the bike, slam it in a huge gear, and roll it up to 30 mph...for 2 min and then back down to 14, then coasting, then barfing. This is not a efficient approach and will cost you huge time. Let your body and legs come up to speed naturally. Use light gears to get the legs going, get settled in over the first couple minutes, and progress from there. Keeping an eye on cadence will help you a great deal


•Bike to Run - In the closing mile or even two of a triathlon it is good to select slightly easier gears, a slightly higher cadence, and start to open up your legs and breathing for the run. Sit up out of the aero bars, stretch out the upper body and chest/arms, and get yourself loose and relaxed. Roll into transition loose, relaxed, and ready to run. Bombing in at 35, dismounting from the aero bars, flipping over landing in a heap will not help your hematocrit as you bleed out on the ground, ultimately losing precious run time...



That is very good advice. Personally, I just go with "Crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and listen to the lamentation of their women". Works like a charm.
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By the way, now I am in on the CF thread fiasco. Smaked down the BS in the flip turn thread, need to go weapons hot on another...
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Fred D - 2012-02-07 11:54 PM Ok, so full disclosure, my trainer ride this am was definitely an out of the 'comfort' zone ride. I don't remember pushing that hard on my last interval since my last FTP test. So are you folks pushing hard on the bike? Lemme know as I am really asking if you are hitting your intensity stuff the way you need to?

When it comes to the bike, if my plan calls for 100-105% (HR), I always try to aim for the 105% and hold on as long as I can. Of course, some days 105% HR is a lower speed/power than other days.



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I don't schedule any rest days but life always gives them to me.  I tried the rest day thing and I find that I end up needing to double up more then I like. 
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Fred D - 2012-02-08 6:53 AM Taking a rest day today as I need one. Do you guys structure rest days or just active recovery? I usually average about 3-4 rest days a month in season, but last year often didn't even take a single day off. It took a toll on me so I am back to structuring some rest days. Lemme know your thoughts?

Based on schedule I would say I try to stick with the structured day off but usually end up taking day off based on how I feel which is usually the norm. 

My right knee is hurting today so there will be no legs today; heading for the pool tonight after work.

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At the moment Saturdays are my rest days, but that might change as it gets closer to race season


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Fred D - 2012-02-08 6:53 AM

Do you guys structure rest days or just active recovery?


My main recovery is “active recovery”.  That works well for me but that recovery week is not too pleasant.  The following week is sweat. 
 
When I need it I take a full rest day that is usually not to restful.  That is because I’ll end up doing my honey do priority catch up list.  One year I shoveled over a ton of mulch 2 days before a HIM.  That race was a little tough for some reason.  I guess if I had been trained in cross fit I may have been better prepared. 

 

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I am taking 1-2 rest days a week right now but that is to try and recover from an illness that is still lingering. Once I start training healthy I will usually take 3-4 rest days a month. I think bigger guys sometimes need them more because of all the strain we put on our body running. It's incredible what some rest can do for me. I had a horrible 3 mile run on Monday that really shook my confidence. This morning I ran 5 and it was everything I could do NOT to crank up the pace and go longer. I felt awesome after taking yesterday off of running and only doing an easy spin. Just have to keep telling myself the follow the plan, just follow the plan.
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Fred D - 2012-02-07 6:54 PM Ok, so full disclosure, my trainer ride this am was definitely an out of the 'comfort' zone ride. I don't remember pushing that hard on my last interval since my last FTP test. So are you folks pushing hard on the bike? Lemme know as I am really asking if you are hitting your intensity stuff the way you need to?

 

here, judge for yourself

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/147873753

 

i would say yes, i am going as hard now as i was last year in peak season. That is a good sign as i am 15lbs lighter than last year, so my power to weight is higher.

 

on another note, i was given a laptop for free, so i am going to use it for Trainerroad, once i get my ant+ stick, i will do a 20min power test and let you all know the result.

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