Game of Thrones - BOOKS Discussion (Spoilers) (Page 6)

Big Appa - 2013-04-11 2:05 PM

wingsfan - 2013-04-11 11:41 AM

Big Appa - 2013-04-11 1:29 PM

wingsfan - 2013-04-11 11:26 AM

Big Appa - 2013-04-10 2:29 PM I'll go $10 on it

I'll take that bet if I get dead, but is resurrected/reanimated/wargs into Ghost's body/etc

I don't know how the red womens powers work but I'll give you into ghost's body

Then I'd need odds 

How do you do odds on his death and how do we know if you covered it? lol

If all I get is he wargs into Ghost's body or he's all dead and we go through his clothes and look for loose change I'd need at least 5:1. 

I'm thinking the only way he's just dead and the question of his lineage goes unanswered is if GRRM decides to be GRRM-like and extend a literary middle finger to the people thinking they've got it all figured out about Jon being a Stark/Targaryen destined for greatness. I think GRRM would prefer to show off a little more than that and give us something nobody sees coming, which would require Jon to be alive.

Jon warging into Ghost to avoid death is cool, but would seem to limit future story lines to ripping out people's throats and dialog consisting of growls and barks. Though Melisandre did see Jon as both a human and a wolf in her visions so maybe 3:1 odds.

I'd expect Melisandre's powers to work pretty much the way Thoros did it. Though Thoros did it unexpectedly and I don't think we've seen any indication Melisandre knows how to resurrect somebody. Maybe she'll stumble upon it as well.

 They only showed a bit of the torturing on the last show. I think he is now going to be with his sister at Moat Cailian but this didn't happen in the book till A Dance with Dragons. So they are skipping the girl helping him escape, getting caught and killing the girl, flaying of his skin including fingers and toes, then finally when the bastards father returns and Theon is sent to Moat Cailian to talk peace with the Iron Born.

I think they can get the idea across but put less time into it so they can focus on the other stories.

Isn't this the book thread, Mr. Appa?  I've still got two episodes left in season 2!

Must say I'm very curious what Roose Bolton is going to do with him...to make a play for the Iron Islands, but he didn't even tell Ramsay that he knew Reek was Theon, and he makes it clear that he doesn't think his bastard is very smart/cunning. So... these plans don't seem to involve Ramsay in the long term, though he's now the legit heir. On top of that, Theon just seems so broken that I have a hard time seeing him as a successful puppet for anyone.

Obviously I'm behind most of you, since I'm not done with bk 5 yet (almost halfway).

Well something is going to happen with Theon knowing that the Bolton bastard didn't marry the real Arya Stark.

Good point.

Is this wedding before the end of bk 5?

I started wondering a few chapters ago if Theon's "use" was going to be to recognize that it was a fake Arya, but then it doesn't really matter in the short term. 

Long term, with Jaime's recent "good guy" deeds and knowledge that it's a fake Arya (I found that scene significant), Bolton knowing who Reek really is (and if he doesn't know it isn't Arya, I bet Theon gives it away at the wedding), and Arya still surviving out there, it does seem to add up to conniving.

matt3liv - 2013-04-12 9:01 AM

Big Appa - 2013-04-12 9:36 AM

KSH - 2013-04-12 6:30 AM

matt3liv - 2013-04-11 2:27 PM

I'm not sure about all of the children being Wargs, but it does make me think that Jon and Arya are truly blood related.  

There are some rumors going around that Jon is actually Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark's son.  Arya and Jon are supposedly the only one's with Stark-like features.  Jon could have gotten them from Lyanna or Ned. 

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/  Careful, you could lose a day or two chasing down theories here.... its been incredibly helpful picking up all kinds of lost details that I lost when reading the books.  (usually with a strong ale in my glass)

Of course they are blood related. They have the same father. If the story has told us the truth. I could see it coming out though that Jon is the son of someone else.

I think he really is the son of Ned. The Starks have been in the north since the beginning and so far it seems only people from the north have the connections to the ways of the sight and wargs.

I agree that the bloodlines of the First Men seem to have the abilities, but he could have gotten it from Ned's sister Lyanna Stark.  That was my point.

I've thought for a while that he's Lyanna & Rhaegar's son.  Ned was such a "stand up" character that I just don't see him fathering Jon.  

thedallasceliac - 2013-04-16 9:26 AM

matt3liv - 2013-04-12 9:01 AM

Big Appa - 2013-04-12 9:36 AM

KSH - 2013-04-12 6:30 AM

matt3liv - 2013-04-11 2:27 PM

I'm not sure about all of the children being Wargs, but it does make me think that Jon and Arya are truly blood related.  

There are some rumors going around that Jon is actually Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark's son.  Arya and Jon are supposedly the only one's with Stark-like features.  Jon could have gotten them from Lyanna or Ned. 

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/  Careful, you could lose a day or two chasing down theories here.... its been incredibly helpful picking up all kinds of lost details that I lost when reading the books.  (usually with a strong ale in my glass)

Of course they are blood related. They have the same father. If the story has told us the truth. I could see it coming out though that Jon is the son of someone else.

I think he really is the son of Ned. The Starks have been in the north since the beginning and so far it seems only people from the north have the connections to the ways of the sight and wargs.

I agree that the bloodlines of the First Men seem to have the abilities, but he could have gotten it from Ned's sister Lyanna Stark.  That was my point.

I've thought for a while that he's Lyanna & Rhaegar's son.  Ned was such a "stand up" character that I just don't see him fathering Jon.  

But he never lied, ever. When asked about the mother he wouldn't talk about it but he did tell Jon he was his.

KSH - 2013-04-16 9:47 AM

Big Appa - 2013-04-16 11:39 AM

thedallasceliac - 2013-04-16 9:26 AM

matt3liv - 2013-04-12 9:01 AM

Big Appa - 2013-04-12 9:36 AM

KSH - 2013-04-12 6:30 AM

matt3liv - 2013-04-11 2:27 PM

I'm not sure about all of the children being Wargs, but it does make me think that Jon and Arya are truly blood related.  

There are some rumors going around that Jon is actually Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark's son.  Arya and Jon are supposedly the only one's with Stark-like features.  Jon could have gotten them from Lyanna or Ned. 

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/  Careful, you could lose a day or two chasing down theories here.... its been incredibly helpful picking up all kinds of lost details that I lost when reading the books.  (usually with a strong ale in my glass)

Of course they are blood related. They have the same father. If the story has told us the truth. I could see it coming out though that Jon is the son of someone else.

I think he really is the son of Ned. The Starks have been in the north since the beginning and so far it seems only people from the north have the connections to the ways of the sight and wargs.

I agree that the bloodlines of the First Men seem to have the abilities, but he could have gotten it from Ned's sister Lyanna Stark.  That was my point.

I've thought for a while that he's Lyanna & Rhaegar's son.  Ned was such a "stand up" character that I just don't see him fathering Jon.  

But he never lied, ever. When asked about the mother he wouldn't talk about it but he did tell Jon he was his.

I thought they mentioned who Jon's mom was at some point in one of the books? I could see Ned lying to keep a kid safe.

Did they say her name? I thought he just described her and where she was from.

Robert and Lyanna's son.

That has always been my guess.

I think Jon's mom is Wylla.

I don't think he is Lyana and Rhaegars because he is not immune to fire. When he killed the first zombie guy by throwing the lantern on him he got badly burnt on his hand.

Good catch Cord...

It's over! He's not a Targaaryen