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2009-07-21 7:17 AM
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LK2SKI - 2009-07-20 8:41 PM Let that return 50 mile time read 2h43 for a total of 4h56 for the 100


You are a lot stronger cyclist so what I'm going to do what be any help to you.


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LK2SKI - 2009-07-20 8:41 PM Let that return 50 mile time read 2h43 for a total of 4h56 for the 100


You are a lot stronger cyclist so what I'm going to do what be any help to you.


Stronger than me too, perhaps stronger than anyone else here on BT who is doing canada.  Try posting on slowtwitch and see what response you get there.

re: wheels, I'd go as aero as possible.  Having a deeper rear than front should theoretically be more stable (e.g. the 404/disc your friend rode vs. your 808/808).  I'll be riding 808/disc myself.

I'll probably run a 53/39 with a 12/27.  Better for me to be able to spin a little more if I need it than grind it out with someting taller...still have that run to do!
2009-07-21 11:45 AM
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2009 schedule for Ironman Canada is officially up on the website.
2009-07-21 11:48 AM
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KathyG & Enginerd,

Thanks for your responses.... I will look out for a 12/27 and see how that works out on some local hills... I know that IMC has some long duration climbs and sometimes when I feel cramps coming on it feels better to be able to spin them out, regardless of the reduction of forward speed.

As for wheels.... I have a 35K TT planned this w/e and plan on using my 808 & Disc... I am also looking for a 404 and have been offered a loan for the race, so may yet go this way.... it wa snever a problem when I only had aluminum training wheels...then I spoiled myself with some 808 tubulars, but ended up feeling very nervous in cross winds on the end of the 100 mile ride and ended up in the bull bars.... so did another guy that rode the 50 miler over a similar course with 1080's F&R.... which pretty much negates the use of the wheels...
2009-07-21 1:30 PM
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m3fraser - 2009-07-21 9:45 AM 2009 schedule for Ironman Canada is officially up on the website.


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Subaru Ironman Canada 2009 Schedule of Events

Thursday, August 27

  • 9:00 am – 5:00 pm – Subaru Ironman Canada Merchandise Tent open
  • 9:00 am – 5:00 pm – Subaru Ironman Canada Village open
  • 10:00 am – 4:00 pm – Registration at Okanagan Park
  • 10:00 am – 3:00 pm – IMTV at Okanagan Park
  • 6:00 pm – Subaru 5K and Timex Iron Kids 1K Fun Run.  Registration at entrance to Rotary Park

Friday, August 28

  • 9:00 am – 5:00 pm – Subaru Ironman Canada Merchandise Tent open
  • 10:00 am – 4:00 pm – Registration at Okanagan Park
  • 9:00 am – 5:00 pm – Subaru Ironman Canada Village Open
  • 11:00 am – Press Conference at IMTV tent in Subaru Ironman Canada Village in Okanagan Park
  • 6:00 pm – Welcome Dinner followed by a Mandatory Meeting for all competing athletes
  • 7:30 pm – 10:00 pm – Community Concert and Dance, Main Street

Saturday, August 29

NOTICE:  There will be no Registration on Saturday

  • 9:00 am – 5:00 pm – Subaru Ironman Canada Merchandise Tent open
  • 9:00 am – 11:30 am – Bike Check-in & Gear Check-in (go to the Bike Lot/Transition Area)
  • 9:00 am – 5:00 pm - Subaru Ironman Canada Village open
  • 11:00 am – 2:00 pm – 2010 Subaru Ironman Canada Registration for 2009 competing athletes, Okanagan Park
  • 1:00 pm – 3:45 pm – Bike Check-in & Gear Check-in (go to the Bike Lot/Transition Area)

Sunday, August 30

  • 5:00 am – 6:00 am – Athlete Check-In (North end of Main St.)
  • 6:45 am – PRO Start
  • 7:00 am – RACE STARTS
  • 7:00 am – 5:00 pm – Subaru Ironman Canada Merchandise Tent Open
  • 9:20 am – SWIM COURSE CLOSES
  • 5:30 pm – TIMEX BIKE COURSE CLOSES
  • Midnight –RUN COURSE CLOSES 

 

Monday, August 31

  • 7:00 am – Finishers Merchandise available
  • 7:00 am – 3:00 pm – Subaru Ironman Canada Merchandise Tent open
  • 9:00 am – 3:00 pm – ASI Finishers Photos available, Okanagan Park
  • 9:00 am – 11:00 am – Subaru Ironman Canada Registration for 2010 (Okanagan Park)
  • 9:00 am – 11:00 am – HAWAII Registration (Okanagan Park)
  • 11:15 am – HAWAII Registration Roll Down for 2009 (Okanagan Park)
  • 5:30 pm –  Awards Banquet at Penticton Trade and Convention Centre
  • 5:30pm – 8:30 pm – ASI Finishers Photos available, PTCC

Tuesday, September 1

  • 6:00 pm – Volunteer Party at the Penticton Trade and Convention Centre

 

2009-07-21 2:29 PM
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LK2SKI - 2009-07-21 12:48 PM KathyG & Enginerd, Thanks for your responses.... I will look out for a 12/27 and see how that works out on some local hills... I know that IMC has some long duration climbs and sometimes when I feel cramps coming on it feels better to be able to spin them out, regardless of the reduction of forward speed. As for wheels.... I have a 35K TT planned this w/e and plan on using my 808 & Disc... I am also looking for a 404 and have been offered a loan for the race, so may yet go this way.... it wa snever a problem when I only had aluminum training wheels...then I spoiled myself with some 808 tubulars, but ended up feeling very nervous in cross winds on the end of the 100 mile ride and ended up in the bull bars.... so did another guy that rode the 50 miler over a similar course with 1080's F&R.... which pretty much negates the use of the wheels...


I don't think anyone can go wrong with having an extra gear you never use.

I talked to someone who has done Canada quite a few times that is about my pace on the bike comparing local tri races we have both done. His experience on the bike course I listened carefully to as it will probably be more similar to my possible experience than someone is faster than me by an hour or two. He said he spent hours in his 34/27 gear when climbing up Richter and Yellow Lake at 5 mph.

I only have Zipp 404s so that is what I'll be using.

Probikekit.com has really good prices on cassettes.


2009-07-26 9:57 PM
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Watching IMLP and think wow we and IMKY are the next up with official IM races. 5 weeks from now..I'm getting excited!

I finished up my biggest training week before IM today....happy with how it went...surprised myself in many ways...

S: 8250.00 Yd
3h 06m 14s
B: 244.01 Mi
15h 42m 54s
R: 40.11 Mi
7h 40m 26s








2009-07-27 12:35 AM
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KathyG - 2009-07-26 7:57 PM Watching IMLP and think wow we and IMKY are the next up with official IM races. 5 weeks from now..I'm getting excited!

I finished up my biggest training week before IM today....happy with how it went...surprised myself in many ways...

S: 8250.00 Yd
3h 06m 14s
B: 244.01 Mi
15h 42m 54s
R: 40.11 Mi
7h 40m 26s



Wow Kathy!  That's an impressive weekend's of workouts!  Looks like you'll definitely be ready
2009-07-28 9:38 AM
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For IMC do you drop your bike off the night prior or bring it the day of?

The dinner that is currently planned for the night prior, what type of food is there? I assume you can by dinner tickets for additional folks as well?

For the special needs bags - do u have an opportunity to retrieve what you dont use from the bag after the race? I've been told to bring a long sleeve shirt in case I find myself out on the run course as it gets dark. I wanted to pack a tech shirt, but wanted to make sure I'd get it back if I didn't need it! (My plan is be done with the event in 12-13 hours, so I hope not to need it).

What do they cover in the meeting the night prior?


2009-07-28 11:07 AM
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TexTriGuy - 2009-07-28 6:38 AM

For IMC do you drop your bike off the night prior or bring it the day of?

The dinner that is currently planned for the night prior, what type of food is there? I assume you can by dinner tickets for additional folks as well?

For the special needs bags - do u have an opportunity to retrieve what you dont use from the bag after the race? I've been told to bring a long sleeve shirt in case I find myself out on the run course as it gets dark. I wanted to pack a tech shirt, but wanted to make sure I'd get it back if I didn't need it! (My plan is be done with the event in 12-13 hours, so I hope not to need it).

What do they cover in the meeting the night prior?




Bike check-in is Saturday morning and afternoon. You will have access to your bike race morning to add nutrition, inflate tires, etc.

Dinner is Friday night. They'll have pasta. I think you can buy tickets at registration. You can also ask around for extra tickets, as a lot of people don't go to the dinner.

You will NOT get your special needs bag back.

The meeting is a combination of IM/WTC propoganda; introduction of pros and people with special interest stories; a review of race etiquette; recognition of volunteers; and a review of the course.

See you in a month.

scott



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2009-07-30 2:28 PM
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OK. . .  A few more questions from another Texan. . .

How many hours should I expect to drive from the Vancouver airport to Kelowna?

Where is the best place to exchange money?  At the airport, or a bank here in Dallas?  I know when you go to Europe, it is better to get the exchange at a local bank before you go.

Also, I noticed that there is no scheduled practice swim.  Do you just get a swim in the lake, whenever and wherever?  In Louisville last year, they had a two scheduled practice swims.

Lastly, are the climbs on the bike course, Lowest Gear, Out of the saddle climbs, or are LONG and Steady climbs.  Now I know that it all depends on if you're Lance Armstrong or a total slack, but in general how are they.  On the profile, they look like they are straight up to the sky. 

I think that's it for now.



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A month from today we'll be racing!

Seemed so long ago we signed up, now most of the training is done, need to stay healthy, no muck up the training, (recover from Vineman IM if you happen to be doing that as well), and get there!

I'm looking forward to as is my husband and kids. They all had such a great time at Lake Placid, hoping we have great time here. We have much nicer accommodations which is nice.
2009-07-30 4:48 PM
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shamgar7 - 2009-07-30 1:28 PM OK. . .  A few more questions from another Texan. . .

How many hours should I expect to drive from the Vancouver airport to Kelowna?

If you are coming from the Vancouver Airport, it will take approximately 5 - 5.5 hours depending on traffic getting out of Vancouver.  You can take the Coquihalla Highway, which I believe does not charge a toll anymore, and is a great short cut that spits you out not too far north of Penticton. Kelowna is about equidistant (but north instead of south) from where the road spits you out.

Where is the best place to exchange money?  At the airport, or a bank here in Dallas?  I know when you go to Europe, it is better to get the exchange at a local bank before you go.

I'm not super knowledgeable about this.  I don't think it matters either way.  When I go to the States, I generally exchange my money before I go.

Also, I noticed that there is no scheduled practice swim.  Do you just get a swim in the lake, whenever and wherever?  In Louisville last year, they had a two scheduled practice swims.

You can swim in Okanagan Lake anytime.  They will likely not have the buoys out until later in the week, but if that is the case, there are white buoys that are in place for regular swimming that is in the same general area as where the race will be held. I don't know if there is anything more organized.

Lastly, are the climbs on the bike course, Lowest Gear, Out of the saddle climbs, or are LONG and Steady climbs.  Now I know that it all depends on if you're Lance Armstrong or a total slack, but in general how are they.  On the profile, they look like they are straight up to the sky. 

There are three 'named' hills on the course.  the first is Maclean Creek - very early on in the race. It's on a back country road, is short but steep, and the pavement isn't great.

Next is Richter's Pass.  It is a long steep climb that can be broken up into 4 sections, with plateau's or even a bit of downhill in between them. 

After Richter's are the 7 rolling hills.  Not to be confused with rollers, as they are decent climbs themselves, but much shorter than the Richter's climb - I'd say about 1/4 as long.

After the 7 rollers the next named hill is Yellow Lake. It is not as steep as Richter's, but because of it's location in the race, will likely seem much steeper.  Good thing about this one is that cheerleaders often line both sides of the road to cheer folks on - it's very Tour de France.  It's broken up into a few segments as well.

A couple more hills after this that shouldn't be forgotten, then generally downhill into town.

All of these hills I can manage to climb while seated on my 650cc Felt S22 with a 12/25 gearing (I think!).  I'm not saying I LIKE them, I'm just saying I can do it. sometimes a little standing to add a little power if I'm really crashing.

Hope this helps! I've never done IMC, so take it all with a grain of salt. 

I think that's it for now.

2009-07-30 9:11 PM
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Great Info. . .   Thanks for the course description.  And the info about the trip to Kelowna.  Looking forward to the race. . .
2009-07-31 8:58 AM
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Regarding morning swims: they don't set the course until the morning of the race. Everyone swims along the "no boat" bouy line that runs east-west from the sycamoose (sp) to the casino. You can't miss it.

Regarding the bike course:

The toughest climb of the course about 17km from the start called McLean Creek which is .5km at 7.6%. Unless you're a front of the pack swimmer it's going to be crowded. Just be patient.

Richter is ~60km into the ride and is 11.4km at 3.0% average. Treat it as 4 joined climbs - the first 2.8 km is a 1.1% warm-up then #1 is 1.6km @ 5.3%, #2 is 1.2km @ 6.1%, #3 is .8km @ 5.0% and #4 is 1.5km @ 5.6%. The connections are slightly uphill or downhill. (7 miles)

Their are 7 rollers after Richter of .3 to .7 km in length. The grades are mild and you can get enough momentum from each descent to take quite a bit out of the next roller. But be careful of spiking power here. There's still a lot of racing to do.

Out and back is ~20km of mind numbing gently rolling hills. Special Needs will be set up at the turn around.

There's a false flat from the Bear Fruit Stand (Keromeous) to the base of Yellow which is 11.4km of 0.9%.

Yellow is 3.8km @ 4.2% net made up of .5km @ 6.7%, 1.7km @ 2.7%, .3km @ 6.9%, .6km @ 2.8%, and finally, .8km @5.7% with the final .2km of that at 7.7%.

There is a bit of a climb to Twin Lakes and a .8km moderate climb in the middle of the descent into Penticton but generally, the top of Yellow (actually Twin Lakes) is the end of the hard work and the beginning of an 18km speed descent into T2.

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yaqui - 2009-07-31 8:58 AM Regarding morning swims: they don't set the course until the morning of the race. Everyone swims along the "no boat" bouy line that runs east-west from the sycamoose (sp) to the casino. You can't miss it. Regarding the bike course: The toughest climb of the course about 17km from the start called McLean Creek which is .5km at 7.6%. Unless you're a front of the pack swimmer it's going to be crowded. Just be patient. Richter is ~60km into the ride and is 11.4km at 3.0% average. Treat it as 4 joined climbs - the first 2.8 km is a 1.1% warm-up then #1 is 1.6km @ 5.3%, #2 is 1.2km @ 6.1%, #3 is .8km @ 5.0% and #4 is 1.5km @ 5.6%. The connections are slightly uphill or downhill. (7 miles) Their are 7 rollers after Richter of .3 to .7 km in length. The grades are mild and you can get enough momentum from each descent to take quite a bit out of the next roller. But be careful of spiking power here. There's still a lot of racing to do. Out and back is ~20km of mind numbing gently rolling hills. Special Needs will be set up at the turn around. There's a false flat from the Bear Fruit Stand (Keromeous) to the base of Yellow which is 11.4km of 0.9%. Yellow is 3.8km @ 4.2% net made up of .5km @ 6.7%, 1.7km @ 2.7%, .3km @ 6.9%, .6km @ 2.8%, and finally, .8km @5.7% with the final .2km of that at 7.7%. There is a bit of a climb to Twin Lakes and a .8km moderate climb in the middle of the descent into Penticton but generally, the top of Yellow (actually Twin Lakes) is the end of the hard work and the beginning of an 18km speed descent into T2. scott


Wow, Great Info. . . .  That really helps.  Living in the flatlands of Texas, I'm not the best climber.  I didn't know if I was gonna be looking at the last climb of the TDF.

Thanks for the info. . .


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Hey Yaqui, have you done Wisconsin or Placid before? If so how do teh runs and bikes compare to those course? From what I have heard Canada easier bike but tougher run.

Thxs for your comments very helpful!!

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Are the signs for distance on bike and run in miles or Km or both?

Did you guys get the email this morning with questions for finish line announcer? Anyone know Steve King? Hope he is good as Mike R is going to KY.

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jamesG - 2009-07-31 7:12 AM

Hey Yaqui, have you done Wisconsin or Placid before? If so how do teh runs and bikes compare to those course? From what I have heard Canada easier bike but tougher run.

Thxs for your comments very helpful!!



I did Lake Placid last year. I would say Lake Placid is a harder bike course. I went 5:38 at LP, and I would guess that effort would have been good for 5:30 or slightly less at Canada. None of the hills on the run at Canada are as long as the hills at LP, but there are more of them. Most of them are in the middle 5-6 miles of the course. We're also likely to see a headwind over the last half of the run course.

In general, times are a little faster at Canada then LP. I've not done Wisconsin, but have many friends that have done both. One of the challenges of Wisconsin as I understand it is that you often descend form a hill into a sharp turn, so it's hard to use your momentum to it's fullest. Making Wisconsin a more technical course.

In terms of course aeshetics, it's hard to beat Lake Placid, but the Okanagan Valley is very nice. I think the local residents of Penticton are more supportive then what I experienced at Lake Placid. This will be my third time racing there and I've been twice as a spectator.

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KathyG - 2009-07-31 8:15 AM

Are the signs for distance on bike and run in miles or Km or both?

Did you guys get the email this morning with questions for finish line announcer? Anyone know Steve King? Hope he is good as Mike R is going to KY.


The signs are in miles. Actually there may be both, but I know they have signs in miles.

Steve King is THE voice of IMC. Nothing against Mike Reilly, but Steve is a legend and well deserved of the title. He's also a very talented endurance athlete having done IMC many times as well as Ultraman Canada.

You probably won't hear "Kathy Graves, you are an Ironman", but everyone will know your life story (or at least whatever you reply to the email with) when you finish.

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yaqui - 2009-07-31 12:30 PM
KathyG - 2009-07-31 8:15 AM Are the signs for distance on bike and run in miles or Km or both?

Did you guys get the email this morning with questions for finish line announcer? Anyone know Steve King? Hope he is good as Mike R is going to KY.
The signs are in miles. Actually there may be both, but I know they have signs in miles. Steve King is THE voice of IMC. Nothing against Mike Reilly, but Steve is a legend and well deserved of the title. He's also a very talented endurance athlete having done IMC many times as well as Ultraman Canada. You probably won't hear "Kathy Graves, you are an Ironman", but everyone will know your life story (or at least whatever you reply to the email with) when you finish. scott


Scott...glad to hear that...now to write up my life story...and there is the finish not in a big clump of folks.



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Here's another  question.....What is normal weather like? Highs? lows? What might the extremes be? Is it normally not very humid? It rained last year during run, is rain likely?
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KathyG - 2009-07-31 9:15 AM

Here's anotherĀ  question.....What is normal weather like? Highs? lows? What might the extremes be? Is it normally not very humid? It rained last year during run, is rain likely?


Weather is typically high of upper 70's to low 80's, and low's in the mid 50's. I've been there when it was in the 90's, and I know in the late 90's there was a year where it was snowing at Yellow Lake.

Rain is unlikely, but obviously possible as it rained last year. Keep in mind the Okanagan Valley is Canada's wine and fruit capital. Think Northern California. The summer is dry and arid.

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KathyG - 2009-07-31 9:15 AM

Did you guys get the email this morning with questions for finish line announcer? Anyone know Steve King? Hope he is good as Mike R is going to KY.

I recieved the same email.

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yaqui - 2009-07-31 12:09 PM

KathyG - 2009-07-31 9:15 AM

Here's anotherĀ  question.....What is normal weather like? Highs? lows? What might the extremes be? Is it normally not very humid? It rained last year during run, is rain likely?


Weather is typically high of upper 70's to low 80's, and low's in the mid 50's. I've been there when it was in the 90's, and I know in the late 90's there was a year where it was snowing at Yellow Lake.

Rain is unlikely, but obviously possible as it rained last year. Keep in mind the Okanagan Valley is Canada's wine and fruit capital. Think Northern California. The summer is dry and arid.

scott

The rain last year was not heavy and didn't last long. It was actually kind of refreshing though I felt bad for the people still coming down from Yellow Lake on the wet roads.

A couple of times in recent years, there has also been a bit of forest fire smoke in the air on parts of the course. They have already dealt with some fires in the area this year so, with any luck, that wont be an issue by race time.
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