Why does abortion scare so many in the US? (Page 6)

I 100% agree with you!  I am not saying it's ok, not at all.  I agree that if a woman decides that she wants to have an abortion, the man cannot stop her.  I see now way around that, nor should there be. BUT, I do think that if a woman makes the decision to have the baby the male should have no legal responsability if he doesn't want the child.

Moral...YES...Hells YES.  But not legal.  Yet, that is not the case. 

Just had a completely random though!

This assumes consentual (sp) sex btw.

What if:  Going into it (sex that is) each person knew if a pregancy occurs that to either abort or bear would have to be a joint decision?  Do you think that would change the way people think about having sex?  Both married and unmarried.

I know this is a phylisophical point because dumb things happen all of the time.  Just what if...

Just had a completely random though!

This assumes consentual (sp) sex btw.

What if:  Going into it (sex that is) each person knew if a pregancy occurs that to either abort or bear would have to be a joint decision?  Do you think that would change the way people think about having sex?  Both married and unmarried.

I know this is a phylisophical point because dumb things happen all of the time.  Just what if...

i think this is a very difficult thing to regulate.  now, erin stated the case of women going after support from men that never knew about a baby, and that should def be illegal.  but how can you prove that you did or didn't want the kid?  what if a couple breaks up during a pregnancy and the man decides he wants to be off the hook and just claims he didn't want it?  what if an irresponsible kid gets his gf preg in hs and freaks out and claims he never wanted it in the first place?  how could you possibly know?

[fwiw if i was ever in a situation where i found out i was preg with a man who didn't want the child i wouldn't WANT his money.  i'm just pointing out that there would be no way to regulate this policy.]

i throw this out there also..  recently texas released that 20% of the men are paying child support for children that are not thiers, so while most women I know that have had children while single, with something that did not want to be involved in the childs life, do NOT attempt to recieve any financial support, there are women that are looking for anyone to pay for the child.   It's a tricky slope and I dont' think any gov't ,,state, local or federal can regulate this issue effectively without upset 50% of the people

I'm going to attempt to explain my female pro-choice perspective. May be it will make sense to some... I understand that my position will most likely be looked upon as selfish and "godless" but here is goes.

Historically women always had less right than men. In addition there is always a double standard that applies to women still... If a young girl gets pregnant unintentionally, she is "sleeping around, easy, out of wedlock "... you never hear anyone describing guys this way. Pregnancy and having a child changes women's life completely. If this is an unwanted pregnancy and a guy wants nothing to do with it, oh well, he will do just that. He might carry some monetary obligations, but his entire life will not be taken away from him. He will not have to be pregnant, and extremely uncomfortable for a long time, risk his life to give birth, breastfeed, have sleepless nights, having zero time for himself, may be not get education he always wanted, and get a good job in a future, etc... Of course the argument could be made that the girl should have used protection, it's her fault, blah... things happen. And when they do, and you have no choice because you have zero options but to give birth and the guys walks away and continue on with his life, does it sound right to you?

And sorry, but until a man is capable of carrying a child-it is NOT his body that is changing, and not his life that is being completely turned upside down.  Making a child is a two person project, but it is usually the woman who is left to raise the child.  Abortion is a very difficult decision, it should not be taken lightly, but no one should be taking womens right to choose.

May be there should be second/third term abortion prohibition? May be there should be father's content that he would raise the child if the woman were to keep an unwanted pregnancy if the man is willing to step in? There could be other options, but taking a legal right of women to choose should not take place.

Historically women always had less right than men. In addition there is always a double standard that applies to women still... If a young girl gets pregnant unintentionally, she is "sleeping around, easy, out of wedlock "... you never hear anyone describing guys this way. Pregnancy and having a child changes women's life completely. If this is an unwanted pregnancy and a guy wants nothing to do with it, oh well, he will do just that. He might carry some monetary obligations, but his entire life will not be taken away from him. He will not have to be pregnant, and extremely uncomfortable for a long time, risk his life to give birth, breastfeed, have sleepless nights, having zero time for himself, may be not get education he always wanted, and get a good job in a future, etc... Of course the argument could be made that the girl should have used protection, it's her fault, blah... things happen. And when they do, and you have no choice because you have zero options but to give birth and the guys walks away and continue on with his life, does it sound right to you?

ETA - I agree with Z

sorry still an XX not really a man

Not to be argumentative...well...maybe just a little.

The woman can choose to only have a 9 month 'setback'.  If she chooses to have the child and then chooses to not give it up for adoption, she has made 2 choices that lead to a VERY different life.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just pointing out that it's a choice.  And for the record, if I had a child, I would hope that my life would not be taken away from me.  It's just different.  BUT, I don't have one nor do I plan to...so I will never know.

I also think it's both of their fault.  Takes 2 to tango last I checked.  And I try to check often. :P

Well what if she does not believe in abourtion and he says "Oh no sweety I had a vasectomy you don't need to worry" and she believes him.  She gets pregnant and he says have an abortion or your on your own? should he be legaly responsible then.

Regardless of the mothers actions does the child involved not have the right to have support from his biological fater?  Does the child not have the right to a relationship with that father?

Edited cause I'm sorting cells and can't type and chew buble gum at the same time

In that case, they both were stupid.  She believed him and he lied.  If she knew that an abortion was out of the question, then why were they having unprotected sex or sex at all? 

I think that morally the child should, but legally...I don't know.  Then if that was the case as well, then could the mother be forced to ensure the father has a relationship (ie not withhold visiting, etc). 

no need to apologize.  I know that.

ETA but it sure starts blurring some lines, and brings up a good hijack. What is a man?  a woman?  what about children born as one sex but convinced they are the other?  Sex reassignment surgery?  Oh Boy!!!!!!!

Sorry as in  Wrong answer not as an apology I figured you knew. 

Stop hijacking an already hijacked thread

If ChrisM hijackes the thread without our permission is he responsible for the thread?

If ChrisM hijackes the thread without our permission is he responsible for the thread?

 but no one should be taking womens right to choose.

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Which is obviously more important that a child's right to live.......Right?  Wow....

By the way, the March For Life is next Thursday in DC. Any other BTrs going to be there?