Obama considering an executive order on gun control (Page 6)

If you watch the video it's higher population more crime and we have a lot of densely populated areas. This is not to prove a point just pointing out facts like in the video.

Agree.....I was just curious what the numbers were.  The thing is, we have REALLY good data on deaths in this country.  And the UCR report on crime is done with a great deal of diligence, so the numbers are good there too. 

As the debate over gun control goes on, it's good to have these numbers......because the gun control crowd will play to emotion constantly.....it's really all they have.  There is no data that backs up their call for more gun control.....in fact, all of the hard data, and the trend in armed criminal acts, shows just the opposite of what the gun control crowd wants people to believe.

The entire country had pretty strict gun-control laws in the early 90's....and the majority of states did not allow CCW as well. Now almost every state allows CCW, gun-control laws have been loosened everywhere compared to what it was, and we have nearly 50% fewer homicides and violent crimes, with the number of these crimes dropping every year.  This is not emotion, this is a fact.

Maybe, instead of of a magazine size we should limit the number of people in cities?

Agree.....I was just curious what the numbers were.  The thing is, we have REALLY good data on deaths in this country.  And the UCR report on crime is done with a great deal of diligence, so the numbers are good there too. 

As the debate over gun control goes on, it's good to have these numbers......because the gun control crowd will play to emotion constantly.....it's really all they have.  There is no data that backs up their call for more gun control.....in fact, all of the hard data, and the trend in armed criminal acts, shows just the opposite of what the gun control crowd wants people to believe.

The entire country had pretty strict gun-control laws in the early 90's....and the majority of states did not allow CCW as well. Now almost every state allows CCW, gun-control laws have been loosened everywhere compared to what it was, and we have nearly 50% fewer homicides and violent crimes, with the number of these crimes dropping every year.  This is not emotion, this is a fact.

We need to help fix the problem that causes violence and so far we (the right) haven’t done much to help it. So far all we do is complain about what the left is trying to do and saying it won't work or will cause higher taxes. If we really want a better country along with our rights like the 2A both sides need to come together to find something that will be a starting point to help the social issues that contribute to violent crime.

We need to help fix the problem that causes violence and so far we (the right) haven’t done much to help it. So far all we do is complain about what the left is trying to do and saying it won't work or will cause higher taxes. If we really want a better country along with our rights like the 2A both sides need to come together to find something that will be a starting point to help the social issues that contribute to violent crime.

I'm all in as soon as the other side gives up the irrational idea that more gun control will equal less death.......it's absolutely wrong and I'm not wasting a minute of my time helping anything that has to do with taking guns away.

So as a hypothetical, there was a national registry, and a person is convicted of domestic violence, and the government was able to use the registry to confiscate the guns of the convict.   You believe that if that were able to be done that there would be zero impact on violent crime rates?

BA, you said the right is doing nothing and I disagree with your assessment, crime in the USA has been steadily dropping since 1992 and gun ownership and people carrying firearms is up.

Countries where they have confiscated firearms show an increase in violent crime after the citizens are disarmed.

Here is some info that I have tried to find and have not been able to come up with and I think it's a big failure on those investigating the "problem" and the media. What medications were they on the years prior to the incident and what was their exposure to firearms in their childhood?

In addition I believe those who have taken the life of an animal, skinned it, removed it's intestines and other organs and consumed it as food have a higher respect for life than those that think meat is just something that comes from the grocery store. To throw meat away is to disrespect the life of that animal, be it a wild animal or a domestic one.

It's super easy to get an unregistered gun...  Cheaper than getting one from a dealer and less hassle probably.  Just depends on who your friends are and where you roll.

I grew up in a less than desirable neighborhood.  I could get one for a couple hundred bucks just my asking around.

It's super easy to get an unregistered gun...  Cheaper than getting one from a dealer and less hassle probably.  Just depends on who your friends are and where you roll.

I grew up in a less than desirable neighborhood.  I could get one for a couple hundred bucks just my asking around.

It's super easy to get an unregistered gun...  Cheaper than getting one from a dealer and less hassle probably.  Just depends on who your friends are and where you roll.

I grew up in a less than desirable neighborhood.  I could get one for a couple hundred bucks just my asking around.

BA, you said the right is doing nothing and I disagree with your assessment, crime in the USA has been steadily dropping since 1992 and gun ownership and people carrying firearms is up.

Countries where they have confiscated firearms show an increase in violent crime after the citizens are disarmed.

Here is some info that I have tried to find and have not been able to come up with and I think it's a big failure on those investigating the "problem" and the media. What medications were they on the years prior to the incident and what was their exposure to firearms in their childhood?

In addition I believe those who have taken the life of an animal, skinned it, removed it's intestines and other organs and consumed it as food have a higher respect for life than those that think meat is just something that comes from the grocery store. To throw meat away is to disrespect the life of that animal, be it a wild animal or a domestic one.

That does not address my post of what causes the crime in the first place and that does not improve our nation. I am all for the 2A and for open carry but I don't see that as a valid lasting deterrent because there is still crime. We need to address what is causing the crime in the first place and that is what we as a nation are failing at. We are looking at the end result of no guns or more guns but let’s fix the poverty and broken families in a way that makes the left and right happy. I know this is a farfetched thing to hope for but if we are truly an evolved nation I think if we try we can improve. If we do we won't have to worry about the left trying to take away our firearms.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...legalize all drugs and stop funding criminal enterprises with billions of dollars. Not because getting cocaine and heroin legally is a good idea... it's because criminalization is a much much worse idea for society. There are already those addicted now, but why fund gangs and cartels?

Now as a society.. if we say, no, that is not the solution.... and the thousands and thousands of homicides attached to it including the innocent caught in the crossfire are acceptable... then stop telling me as a law abiding citizen that I have to give up my rights fro that. Stop telling me you care about "gun violence".

BA, you said the right is doing nothing and I disagree with your assessment, crime in the USA has been steadily dropping since 1992 and gun ownership and people carrying firearms is up.

Countries where they have confiscated firearms show an increase in violent crime after the citizens are disarmed.

Here is some info that I have tried to find and have not been able to come up with and I think it's a big failure on those investigating the "problem" and the media. What medications were they on the years prior to the incident and what was their exposure to firearms in their childhood?

In addition I believe those who have taken the life of an animal, skinned it, removed it's intestines and other organs and consumed it as food have a higher respect for life than those that think meat is just something that comes from the grocery store. To throw meat away is to disrespect the life of that animal, be it a wild animal or a domestic one.

That does not address my post of what causes the crime in the first place and that does not improve our nation. I am all for the 2A and for open carry but I don't see that as a valid lasting deterrent because there is still crime. We need to address what is causing the crime in the first place and that is what we as a nation are failing at. We are looking at the end result of no guns or more guns but let’s fix the poverty and broken families in a way that makes the left and right happy. I know this is a farfetched thing to hope for but if we are truly an evolved nation I think if we try we can improve. If we do we won't have to worry about the left trying to take away our firearms.

So then BA, what is your measure for success? Zero crime? I'm being serious. The stats show that violent crimes have dropped 50% in 20 years. We must be doing something right. I'm not going to say it is because we have more guns... but it is absolutely false that gun control as been a factor because we have more guns and less control than ever.

So if we could identifiy what those things are and focus our attention on them maybe we could drop in another 50%. Which is great.... but at the end of the day, there is just going to be those that will not follow the rules. And they will get what they want at the expense of another. By the stats, we are actually doing better than other countries. Our violent crime rates are lower. I'm just not sure if we have got as good as we can, or if there is more room for improvement.