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2011-03-07 3:28 PM in reply to: #3386417 |
Veteran 490 Dallas | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread spudone - 2011-03-07 11:51 AM The Zipp Tangente tires, for example, are a royal pain to get on/off the rim when they are new. Becuase they are made by the same company, the Corsa EVO CXs are a tight fit too. I was told to put 100-150 miles on it before racing and give it 2-3 weeks to stretch out.
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2011-03-07 3:44 PM in reply to: #3006331 |
Veteran 227 Brentwood, Tennessee | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread Great advice. I will get them now to get them on the rims for a few months. Probably not going to ride them too much but will try to get a fifty miler or so on them before CdA. Naners - if you have had bad luck with a tire, I recommend you try something else. You don't want to start the ride not trusting your gear. These guys seem hot on theses Vittoria's to the point they sold me, they make a clincher version which I assume is as good? (that was a question)... Plus, the clinchers are much less expensive and on sale all over the place if you google them. Edited by gremlin327 2011-03-07 3:48 PM |
2011-03-07 5:32 PM in reply to: #3006331 |
Member 78 Salt Lake City, UT | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread I'm having wheel angst. I have a set of heavy (~1900g) piece of sheeet mavic cosmics that I bought as a result of my husband forgetting to put my front wheel in the car for IMCDA 2008 ('both wheels' is now an item on my race pack list even if I'm renting wheels). The wheels they stood in for are not any better (stock ALEX 220s). I rode the mavics for all my training rides and races last year, but rented 404s for IMCDA ($150). This was a big improvement and completely worth it. My problem is knowing the difference a better/lighter wheel makes I can't make myself race on the mavics again. I've got a HIM on 4/16, thus the wheel angst. I'm thinking of buying a set of ROL D'Huez wheels ($650). Ideally, I still want to also rent 404s again for IMCDA so I get the aero benefit. So the real problem is, as always, money and staying married through IM training/racing/spending. I haven't run this by the hubby yet, but I'm thinking I might have to give up the 404 rental as a negotiating tactic to buy the new wheel set. Is it worth it? |
2011-03-07 5:51 PM in reply to: #3386100 |
Veteran 468 STATESBORO, GA | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread JoshKaptur - 2011-03-07 9:41 AM
older non- dimpled 404's is the wheelset - and they are only for races. train on another set. Thanks for the advice. Getting a tweaked bike fit Wednesday with a specialized group and will see what they have. Thanks again. Boy the story of the constant flats with the gp4000s is scary. I hope to do a mountain century race in September. I just put the 4000s set on my road bike. One hill is a monster up and down. Everyone pray the flat does not happen at 50mph decent. At least its after CDA. |
2011-03-07 5:59 PM in reply to: #3386977 |
Expert 929 Hawaii | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread gremlin327 - 2011-03-07 10:44 AM Great advice. I will get them now to get them on the rims for a few months. Probably not going to ride them too much but will try to get a fifty miler or so on them before CdA. Naners - if you have had bad luck with a tire, I recommend you try something else. You don't want to start the ride not trusting your gear. These guys seem hot on theses Vittoria's to the point they sold me, they make a clincher version which I assume is as good? (that was a question)... Plus, the clinchers are much less expensive and on sale all over the place if you google them. Hmmm, you're right. There's no use in dealing with the mistrust just because the 4000's seem to work well for everyone else...I may head in the Vittoria direction. Thanks! |
2011-03-07 8:35 PM in reply to: #3387168 |
Veteran 490 Dallas | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread I've never had any problems with the GP4000/Triathlon tire line. Not one flat and I even went way off-road for about 25 seconds at my last HIM. No flat. Their main benefit is they last forever. The Corsa EVOs will get you 1,250-1,500 max. If you look at the second link I posted the difference between the GP4000 and Corsa tires from a rolling resistance perspective is night and day. |
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2011-03-08 11:48 AM in reply to: #3386460 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread RunRene - 2011-03-07 1:06 PM jackson61802 - 2011-03-04 5:11 AM Anybody else doing this race with another member of their family? My dad and I are both racing. My first, his second (after IMSG last year being his first) That is SO COOL!! Way to bond with your dad! I don't have family racing, but a lot of friends are racing it. Both my wife an I will be racing. My goal: to finish and beat her |
2011-03-08 1:53 PM in reply to: #3387168 |
Extreme Veteran 408 Spokane, Wa | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread I love all these tire conversations and I have to say that Josh has hit the nail on the head yet again. "An insert completely throws off any crr values... it's a measure of how much energy it takes to deform the tire/tube. IMHO there is no point to riding a low crr tire + an insert... better off just riding something more robust sans insert."The rolling resistance is not even close once you throw a slime tube or an insert in there. The bottom line is flats happen to just about everyone at one time or another. You hope it doesnt happen in a race but it can happen. You can base your tire choice off of a tire that is supposed to work better. What happens when you get a flat in your gatorskins? Now you're riding a slow tire and you have to change a flat. Secondly you could absolutely lose 10 minutes over an ironman bike ride with a slow tire. I just listened to a podcast that showed wind tunnel data that proved a 13 minute swing based on apparel choice. Whether you want to. KQ or not you shouldn't take your $2000 race wheels and pair them with a slow tire and negate the advantage you gained with the wheels. Bottom line don't be afraid to flat. Think happy thoughts and enjoy the day. Oh yea and if your flatting multiple times on a ride your probably pinching the tube or not removing whatever caused the flat in the first place. I used to be guilty of this all the time Edited by mallen4574 2011-03-08 1:55 PM |
2011-03-08 4:03 PM in reply to: #3388709 |
Elite 3495 SE | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread first off, let me say hope your ITB gets well asap. just checked out your blog! great write up of what not to do. I need to listen to you too! second, let me tell you those slime tubes and mich pro3s still got me some pretty solid bike splits last year and two years ago with no flats. so yes, i may have been faster with the suggested tubes and tires, but i think each person has to make a judgment call based on their particular goal and needs. for me a flat, couldve resulted in a much greater time loss than the benefit of the other tires/tubes. having said that, i may switch over this year if i feel like going for it! thanks to all for participating in the discussion. and its really cool about the family tandems doing the race. hopefully we can all connect during some pre-race swims on thurs-saturday mornings. |
2011-03-09 8:18 AM in reply to: #3006331 |
Veteran 526 Richmond | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread Does anyone have any recent experience with buying carbon wheels direct from china? I've heard from our local tri trainer about alibaba. Has anyone heard or bought from of alibaba? |
2011-03-09 10:08 AM in reply to: #3006331 |
Veteran 227 Brentwood, Tennessee | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread I'm thinking of buying a set of ROL D'Huez wheels ($650). Ideally, I still want to also rent 404s again for IMCDA so I get the aero benefit. So the real problem is, as always, money and staying married through IM training/racing/spending. Always a challenge to convince the other half that you need training AND racing wheels. Somebody had mentioned older 404's without dimples. Another option is finding a set of Flash Point FP60's, which are made by Zipp and actually are just a re-branded 404 without the dimples. it is brilliant for Zipp (which is actually owned by SRAM), all the R&D is sunk and they can continue to sell an older model (See Cervelo P2 and P3). I am not sure if SRAM is still selling them under the Flash Point name or if this is now what they call the SRAM S60. A friend of mine got a set he uses for training on closeout from a shop for like $800, but with a 5 second google search I found plenty of new ones in shops on closeout. Heck, for a grand you may be able to get the FP80, which is the 808 version. This way you can tell your significant other that you are saving $150 every time you race Here is an article by a guy who uses them for training and racing... http://texastailwind.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/flash-point-fp60-carbon-wheels-review/ Good Luck! edit: Well, here is my answer... http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=181501&posts=9 Edited by gremlin327 2011-03-09 10:13 AM |
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2011-03-09 12:37 PM in reply to: #3390012 |
Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread I used an 808 set last year but my brother is swiping them for this year's race. So I just picked up a Hed 3 front wheel off Craigslist for $450, and I already have a disc cover (~$80) for my regular rear wheel. Probably the cheapest way to go (and you're probably heard it a million times on BT already) |
2011-03-09 1:19 PM in reply to: #3390012 |
Master 3546 Millersville, MD | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread gremlin327 - 2011-03-09 11:08 AM I'm thinking of buying a set of ROL D'Huez wheels ($650). Ideally, I still want to also rent 404s again for IMCDA so I get the aero benefit. So the real problem is, as always, money and staying married through IM training/racing/spending. Always a challenge to convince the other half that you need training AND racing wheels. Somebody had mentioned older 404's without dimples. Another option is finding a set of Flash Point FP60's, which are made by Zipp and actually are just a re-branded 404 without the dimples. it is brilliant for Zipp (which is actually owned by SRAM), all the R&D is sunk and they can continue to sell an older model (See Cervelo P2 and P3). I am not sure if SRAM is still selling them under the Flash Point name or if this is now what they call the SRAM S60. A friend of mine got a set he uses for training on closeout from a shop for like $800, but with a 5 second google search I found plenty of new ones in shops on closeout. Heck, for a grand you may be able to get the FP80, which is the 808 version. This way you can tell your significant other that you are saving $150 every time you race Here is an article by a guy who uses them for training and racing... http://texastailwind.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/flash-point-fp60-carbon-wheels-review/ Good Luck! edit: Well, here is my answer... http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=181501&posts=9
I have the SRAM s80 (identical to the flashpoints from what I can tell) wheels and love them. I use a wheelcover. Edited by JoshKaptur 2011-03-09 1:22 PM |
2011-03-09 1:28 PM in reply to: #3389760 |
Expert 694 WA | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread mdfahy - 2011-03-08 6:18 PM Does anyone have any recent experience with buying carbon wheels direct from china? I've heard from our local tri trainer about alibaba. Has anyone heard or bought from of alibaba? I thought about this too Matt, but with the speeds I will be hitting on these wheel I prefer to be on a reputable wheel. The cost savings would mean nothing if something happens with one of those China wheels and you crash. Just my opinion. I haven't decided on which wheels to get either. Waiting for my travel trailer to sell to free up some cash. |
2011-03-09 8:16 PM in reply to: #3006331 |
Veteran 262 Clarksvile | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread What are you talking about everything is made in China. |
2011-03-10 8:12 AM in reply to: #3006331 |
Veteran 227 Brentwood, Tennessee | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread True, many are made there, but I believe Zipp branded wheels are still made in Indiana. For some reason this scares the daylights out of me... I understand a language barrier, but when your primary customer is the US, spend the money to get the translation correct. I work with SE Asian countries all the time, the good companies get little things like this right... Quality Warranty, After sales, Return and Refund Terms: . Warranty: We offer you our high quality and customers-tested products ,We have a quality assurance date which is 1 years. Under normal riding, if there is any damage not caused by human factors, products can be replaced from us. . Return and Refund Terms: If items you received are defective, please contact us within 3 working days and show us the proofs, photos, etc. Buyers are responsible for the shipping cost incurred by returns or exchange. Refund will be granted after we receive the returned items in original condition. New items or Repaired items will be shipped to you after we receive the items for replacement |
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2011-03-10 10:18 AM in reply to: #3006331 |
Veteran 490 Dallas | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread Is it just me or is time starting to fly? 2 weeks out from my first test...Olympic 5 weeks out from my next test.....HIM 15 weeks out from my true test........CdA I've been looking at the 2010 CdA splits for people in the 11:30-12:00 range. I think my perfect storm benchmark will be racer #1790. He swam in 1:17, 8 min T1, biked in 6:14, 3 min T2, ran a 4:01....final finish of 11:45:16. What's interesting is he was one of the slowest bikers within 15 minutes of his time, but had one of the faster runs. In fact, only a handful of people in that time range ran a sub 4 hour marathon. Ironically, that handful all biked in the 17.5-17.9 range. I guess I will get a better feel for my pace after a few long bricks.
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2011-03-10 12:46 PM in reply to: #3391812 |
Expert 1164 Roswell, GA | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread 3Aims - 2011-03-10 11:18 AM Is it just me or is time starting to fly? 2 weeks out from my first test...Olympic 5 weeks out from my next test.....HIM 15 weeks out from my true test........CdA I've been looking at the 2010 CdA splits for people in the 11:30-12:00 range. I think my perfect storm benchmark will be racer #1790. He swam in 1:17, 8 min T1, biked in 6:14, 3 min T2, ran a 4:01....final finish of 11:45:16. What's interesting is he was one of the slowest bikers within 15 minutes of his time, but had one of the faster runs. In fact, only a handful of people in that time range ran a sub 4 hour marathon. Ironically, that handful all biked in the 17.5-17.9 range. I guess I will get a better feel for my pace after a few long bricks.
Test races are an awesome idea. Definitely gives you a chance to practice as much as possible in race scenarios before the main event (nutrition is by far the most important of this!). Its great to have goals and times set out for the race, but I would suggest against it. I understand that goals are hard to judge without quantifiable numbers (such as speeds/time finished), because I struggle with that as well, but it is not always the best approach to racing an IM. I made this mistake and got so caught up in numbers, I did not enjoy myself as much and was demoralized when I realized that my time goals were not possible (IMKY last year). You never know what is going to happen on race day, or who you will be racing against, so just go with how you feel and control what you can control. My goal is to run the whole marathon (no walking period). I don't know if that means a 3:30 time or a 5:00 time, I just know that is a goal I have and one I can reach. Of course YMMV but I found this works the best for me. Edited by 15step 2011-03-10 12:47 PM |
2011-03-10 1:12 PM in reply to: #3391812 |
Extreme Veteran 849 San Diego | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread 3Aims - 2011-03-10 8:18 AM Is it just me or is time starting to fly? 2 weeks out from my first test...Olympic 5 weeks out from my next test.....HIM 15 weeks out from my true test........CdA
Yikes, me too! Can't believe we're only 15 weeks away from CdA. 2 weeks out from the SuperSeal Oly 7 weeks out from the Wildflower long course (HIM) I'm really looking forward to practicing my nutrition, transitions and, most importantly, my race day attitude. I want to have fun but need to keep my head in the game, especially on the swim. No freak outs! Hope training is going well for everyone! |
2011-03-10 2:31 PM in reply to: #3391812 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread 3Aims - 2011-03-10 11:18 AM Is it just me or is time starting to fly? 2 weeks out from my first test...Olympic 5 weeks out from my next test.....HIM 15 weeks out from my true test........CdA I've been looking at the 2010 CdA splits for people in the 11:30-12:00 range. I think my perfect storm benchmark will be racer #1790. He swam in 1:17, 8 min T1, biked in 6:14, 3 min T2, ran a 4:01....final finish of 11:45:16. What's interesting is he was one of the slowest bikers within 15 minutes of his time, but had one of the faster runs. In fact, only a handful of people in that time range ran a sub 4 hour marathon. Ironically, that handful all biked in the 17.5-17.9 range. I guess I will get a better feel for my pace after a few long bricks. I was watching an Endurance Nation DVD the other day about IM racing. One of the guys said.. "There is no such thing as an awesome bike split when you are done and walking at mile 10 of the run" |
2011-03-10 2:34 PM in reply to: #3392193 |
Veteran 490 Dallas | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread 15step - 2011-03-10 12:46 PM Test races are an awesome idea. Definitely gives you a chance to practice as much as possible in race scenarios before the main event (nutrition is by far the most important of this!). Its great to have goals and times set out for the race, but I would suggest against it. I understand that goals are hard to judge without quantifiable numbers (such as speeds/time finished), because I struggle with that as well, but it is not always the best approach to racing an IM. I made this mistake and got so caught up in numbers, I did not enjoy myself as much and was demoralized when I realized that my time goals were not possible (IMKY last year). You never know what is going to happen on race day, or who you will be racing against, so just go with how you feel and control what you can control. My goal is to run the whole marathon (no walking period). I don't know if that means a 3:30 time or a 5:00 time, I just know that is a goal I have and one I can reach. Of course YMMV but I found this works the best for me. I hear you and you are right. To be honest, I've never hit a major time goal. It's a great motivator for me. I missed my NYC and Boston time goals by about 5 minutes each. Austin 70.3 by nearly 7 minutes. The list goes on and on. I'm just trying to understand what combination of S/B/R I need to get near a certain finish time. Typical first timer. All of this assumes a bunch of stuff: health, weather, equipment functioning, course variables like "eek...hills", etc. I get it. I have some serious bricks ahead of me that should help guide my pace strategy. I won't be blind going into the race. I will have 5-6 bricks of 80miles+ on the bike and 6-13 on the feet. By the way, I went off schedule (and smarts) today and raced a bunch of my buddies on our hill run this morning. Man, the feet are starting to generate some serious sparks. Very happy with where I am in my training. |
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2011-03-10 2:42 PM in reply to: #3392447 |
Expert 1164 Roswell, GA | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread 3Aims - 2011-03-10 3:34 PM 15step - 2011-03-10 12:46 PM Test races are an awesome idea. Definitely gives you a chance to practice as much as possible in race scenarios before the main event (nutrition is by far the most important of this!). Its great to have goals and times set out for the race, but I would suggest against it. I understand that goals are hard to judge without quantifiable numbers (such as speeds/time finished), because I struggle with that as well, but it is not always the best approach to racing an IM. I made this mistake and got so caught up in numbers, I did not enjoy myself as much and was demoralized when I realized that my time goals were not possible (IMKY last year). You never know what is going to happen on race day, or who you will be racing against, so just go with how you feel and control what you can control. My goal is to run the whole marathon (no walking period). I don't know if that means a 3:30 time or a 5:00 time, I just know that is a goal I have and one I can reach. Of course YMMV but I found this works the best for me. I hear you and you are right. To be honest, I've never hit a major time goal. It's a great motivator for me. I missed my NYC and Boston time goals by about 5 minutes each. Austin 70.3 by nearly 7 minutes. The list goes on and on. I'm just trying to understand what combination of S/B/R I need to get near a certain finish time. Typical first timer. All of this assumes a bunch of stuff: health, weather, equipment functioning, course variables like "eek...hills", etc. I get it. I have some serious bricks ahead of me that should help guide my pace strategy. I won't be blind going into the race. I will have 5-6 bricks of 80miles+ on the bike and 6-13 on the feet. By the way, I went off schedule (and smarts) today and raced a bunch of my buddies on our hill run this morning. Man, the feet are starting to generate some serious sparks. Very happy with where I am in my training. Thats a good idea. My issues with time goals come from experience. I wanted to do sub 12, closer to 11:30 in IMKY without any prior experience with a 140.6. I knew soon on in the day that it was out of the window, but still mulled over it instead of enjoying the moment. I am right there with you on time goals being motivators, as I always crunch numbers as I daydream about competing. Just race in your little box: that contains the things you can control. Everything else is mute (times, weather, other competition), and at the end of the day, if you can look back and know you did your best with what you could control, then I say you had a good day. I am dreading getting to my bricks. Right now, I am working on going back to the basics. Intervals for speed, but everything else in a solid z2. I am way too confortable as a z3 runner, and IMO that is not working out well. My base is good but not to the point where I can chill in z2 all day and still put down a nice split. Can you believe its like 15 weeks? Ughhhhh |
2011-03-10 2:42 PM in reply to: #3392441 |
Veteran 490 Dallas | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread TriRSquared - 2011-03-10 2:31 PM I was watching an Endurance Nation DVD the other day about IM racing. One of the guys said.. "There is no such thing as an awesome bike split when you are done and walking at mile 10 of the run" Very true and my absolute worst fear for this race. You can fudge it on a 70.3 as I learned in Austin last October (biked too hard and blew up bad on run at mile 9/10). However, not on a full. I have two people screaming in my ear each week to help guide me along my way. Both raced smart and finished strong. I hope some of their advice sinks in by race time. |
2011-03-10 2:58 PM in reply to: #3392467 |
Veteran 490 Dallas | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread 15step - 2011-03-10 2:42 PM I am dreading getting to my bricks. Right now, I am working on going back to the basics. Intervals for speed, but everything else in a solid z2. I am way too confortable as a z3 runner, and IMO that is not working out well. My base is good but not to the point where I can chill in z2 all day and still put down a nice split. Can you believe its like 15 weeks? Ughhhhh As a joke, I emailed my 7 mile hill run file this morning to one of the people screaming in my ear. Average pace 6:43. Average heartrate 167. I asked if this was considered "Z2 or Z3". Response was "Neither, only the Lord can help you at this point". |
2011-03-10 4:49 PM in reply to: #3391812 |
Veteran 262 Clarksvile | Subject: RE: Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread 3Aims - 2011-03-10 9:18 AM Is it just me or is time starting to fly? 2 weeks out from my first test...Olympic 5 weeks out from my next test.....HIM 15 weeks out from my true test........CdA
I’m 3 wks out for 70.3 Oceanside. It seems to just be flying now. It’s making me not skip any of my workouts. Edited by tribean 2011-03-10 4:50 PM |
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