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KWin - 2010-03-11 6:25 PM Yes, I rearrange my life to train, except for the money part! Very low-budget Ironman here, I'm a throwback to the days when everyone rode steel road bikes because that's all there was. Can't afford another bike, and I love the way my bike fits and rides. However, if I did have money, I'd be right up there spending it all at the gear stores.

I homeschool our six-year-old and I think he believes "Ironman" is an item in his curriculum since we do it every day. He can recite the narrative from any Ironman episode by heart. He is my training buddy and relentless coach. No matter how long I ride the trainer, when I get off he says, "Mommy, ride more bike!" Same for the treadmill. We are on our way out the door right now to swim. My partner and I take turns doing laps and swimming with him. He is a killer trail runner: take him to any trail and he takes off running, he's awesome.

My partner is planning to do an Oly this summer so we're on the same wavelength about training, which is great.

We have always been exercise/food/health freaks and have always done kind of "extreme" things (hike the Appalachian Trail, build our own house, run all day long for the pleasure of it) so our friends are used to it. Ironman is just another one of those "crazy" things I love to do. I think my friends would be more surprised if I did NOT want to do it.



That’s cool KWin, kind of old school.  I rode the original Ironman course on Oahu in 86' on a rode bike with no aero bars.  I did have a farmer john wetsuit for the swim.


2010-03-11 5:49 PM
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thelunchbox - 2010-03-11 5:12 PM

You bought the Water Rover, didn't you?

 

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Keep your fingers crossed WTC doesn't ban it like they did in Europe. Although I think it's all silly, bouyancy is only one aspect of wet suit hydrodynamics which actually cuts both ways, you don't want to be too high in the water. If a wet suit lifts your torso too much, it drops your legs, which causes drag. So let manufacturers make whatever kind of suit they want and let the market decide. There's a limit to how much neoprene they can use before it becomes a diving suit impossible to swim in.

Bobby, that Cervelo looks hot, my man.
Getting sponsored has really allowed me to go hog wild on top end gear. I likely would make more conservative choices if I had to pay retail, though, Jamie and I are savers by nature. we don't have kids yet, so that's big in the time and finance department and we both work so we have a lot of disposable income but we part with it rarely.

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JoshKaptur - 2010-03-10 9:13 AM I would love to hear what people are planning to change from the last time they did this race.


I think this is a great question, JK!  Number 1 thing I will do differently is not have a water bottle laying down in between my aerobars.  The bottles of water they gave on the course were slightly smaller and jiggled around like crazy.  Was annoying the ENTIRE bike ride, scary during the Keene descent b/c i basically had to hold the bottle, i dropped the bottle on the way back into town and had no water until the next aid station (btw, there is not an aid station at special needs).  I think someone else mentioned the bottle being small too (James?).  It might work with some bottle holders but it didn't work with mine. 
2010-03-11 7:48 PM
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tasr - 2010-03-11 4:14 PM I was just wondering how hard core you LP guys and gals are as far as your training is concerned.  Do you rearrange your family life to train?  Have you stopped going out on that ounce special night?  Have you gotten into the kids collage fund to buy a new bike or pay for the trip.  Stuff like that.
 
I’ll start.  Yes I rearrange my family life to train.  Its easer now that our kids (3) are grown and on their own.  We, Stacy and I still go out.  Really no special night, but just when the training let me.  Haven’t done a second mortgage on the house, but if Stacy would let me I would be the KING of the tri gear with a pretty sweat new ride.   Sealed



yes

we all have.....you either realize it, or you don't.


2010-03-11 7:50 PM
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Dream Chaser - 2010-03-11 5:26 PM

thelunchbox - 2010-03-11 5:12 PM

You bought the Water Rover, didn't you?

 

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oh $hit....you motor boatin' son of a bi-atch....wow.....let me know how it is!

2010-03-11 8:48 PM
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bryancd - 2010-03-11 6:49 PM
Dream Chaser - 2010-03-11 3:26 PM

thelunchbox - 2010-03-11 5:12 PM

You bought the Water Rover, didn't you?

 

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Keep your fingers crossed WTC doesn't ban it like they did in Europe. Although I think it's all silly, bouyancy is only one aspect of wet suit hydrodynamics which actually cuts both ways, you don't want to be too high in the water. If a wet suit lifts your torso too much, it drops your legs, which causes drag. So let manufacturers make whatever kind of suit they want and let the market decide. There's a limit to how much neoprene they can use before it becomes a diving suit impossible to swim in. Bobby, that Cervelo looks hot, my man. Getting sponsored has really allowed me to go hog wild on top end gear. I likely would make more conservative choices if I had to pay retail, though, Jamie and I are savers by nature. we don't have kids yet, so that's big in the time and finance department and we both work so we have a lot of disposable income but we part with it rarely.

You are lucky to be sponsored!  I know what you guys pay compared to retail.

Before I bought the wetsuit I e-mailed De Soto with my concerns of 'what happens if the suit gets banned'.  Chuck Cates, the Director of Marketing, sent me a .pdf stating how much of a percentage I would save toward the purchase of a T1 suit if  the Rover were banned.  The percentages changes and are based off certain dates, and if it were banned you still get to keep the suit (to use in any non-banned races).  I was due for a new wetsuit anyway cause my QR Hydrofull has three repaired rips in it.  I'm hoping that the suit doesn't so much make me faster as keep my legs higher in the water so I'll have to kick less, and thus my legs will be fresher for the Bike and Run.  Atleast that's the theory I'm going for.   

And everytime I do buy something for me, I do put money into the kids college fund and we're going to Disney this August!!  Makes me feel a little less guilty.   Just a little though.



2010-03-11 8:55 PM
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cusetri - 2010-03-11 8:50 PM
Dream Chaser - 2010-03-11 5:26 PM

thelunchbox - 2010-03-11 5:12 PM

You bought the Water Rover, didn't you?

 

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!



oh $hit....you motor boatin' son of a bi-atch....wow.....let me know how it is!

Disc wheel, aero drink bottle, aero helmet, 10mm in the hips wetsuit -- if it's LEGAL and will make me go faster with less effort, I am using it!! 

My YMCA pool is over 80 degrees, and the fear of what chlorine will do to it, will probably keep me from trying it until early April.  I may just do a quick Polar Bear 10 minute swim in the Long Island sound before the 30-day return period is up to make sure it fits okay. 

Oh and fyi:  I never heard of the suit till you told me about it in an Inspire.  So if I beat you out of the water, you only have yourself to blame.   

2010-03-11 9:08 PM
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Only one person on here have a sponsor? I know a friend is on the Brooks team and rstocks is sponsored by aquaphor.... I started looking into this a little bit and wasn't sure if someone around here had more info...
2010-03-11 9:45 PM
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tasr - 2010-03-12 6:14 AM I was just wondering how hard core you LP guys and gals are as far as your training is concerned.  Do you rearrange your family life to train?  Have you stopped going out on that ounce special night?  Have you gotten into the kids collage fund to buy a new bike or pay for the trip.  Stuff like that.
 
I’ll start.  Yes I rearrange my family life to train.  Its easer now that our kids (3) are grown and on their own.  We, Stacy and I still go out.  Really no special night, but just when the training let me.  Haven’t done a second mortgage on the house, but if Stacy would let me I would be the KING of the tri gear with a pretty sweat new ride.   Sealed

I absolutely rearrange my family life to train.  I have to also rearrange my training for family life so it's a give and take.  There are tons of cool things to do on this island so I schedule long weekend runs or rides to end at or near somewhere cool so we can jump right into a fun family activity.  The wife and I still go out, no special night either, just whenever we feel like it.

My kid's college fund is safe but my wife has a problem... and that problem is my old gear.  She has been wanting to spend some serious coin on upgrades for me.  I wanted to wait until I felt worthy of upgrades.  Now that I feel I'm ready to upgrade, we live in Okinawa.  Hard to find tri-bikes (or anything tri-related) on this tiny island and the prices are outrageous.  I plan on getting fitted while we're back in the states for IMLP.  Then I'll begin the bike search process after the race.  So as of now the only thing that is expensive is flying to and from Okinawa to race.

2010-03-11 9:46 PM
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tasr - 2010-03-11 4:14 PM I was just wondering how hard core you LP guys and gals are as far as your training is concerned.  Do you rearrange your family life to train?  Have you stopped going out on that ounce special night?  Have you gotten into the kids collage fund to buy a new bike or pay for the trip.  Stuff like that.
 
I’ll start.  Yes I rearrange my family life to train.  Its easer now that our kids (3) are grown and on their own.  We, Stacy and I still go out.  Really no special night, but just when the training let me.  Haven’t done a second mortgage on the house, but if Stacy would let me I would be the KING of the tri gear with a pretty sweat new ride.   Sealed



I gave up a lot last year to train for IMWI. I'm not feeling the same level of willingness to sacrifice this year. I was going through a divorce, single for the first time in a decade and that goal meant more to me than anything. I trained very hard, barely missed a handful of workouts and I sacrificed time with my friends, the opportunity to date and time with my family. I had a serious injury right before the race and now have completely different perspective. I'll take it seriously and I'll work hard, but it's not the #1 goal in my life anymore. That said, I just bought another bike and couldn't be happier The addiction is still there, but the races just don't feel as important right now. They might in a month or so!

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wow, lots of posts in the couple of days I've been away (doing my long training days )!

Seeing that picture of the beautiful Cervelo reminds me of a question about race wheels. I bought my first set back in Nov last year and have not put them on my bike yet but since it has all been trainer riding no issue.
Now it's hopefully time to get outside more consistently, I was wondering whether I should just put them on for a few rides pre race to keep the mileage down on them or whether people use them as their "normal" training wheels too.

Thanks


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Dream Chaser - 2010-03-11 9:55 PM

cusetri - 2010-03-11 8:50 PM
Dream Chaser - 2010-03-11 5:26 PM

thelunchbox - 2010-03-11 5:12 PM

You bought the Water Rover, didn't you?

 

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!



oh $hit....you motor boatin' son of a bi-atch....wow.....let me know how it is!

Disc wheel, aero drink bottle, aero helmet, 10mm in the hips wetsuit -- if it's LEGAL and will make me go faster with less effort, I am using it!! 

My YMCA pool is over 80 degrees, and the fear of what chlorine will do to it, will probably keep me from trying it until early April.  I may just do a quick Polar Bear 10 minute swim in the Long Island sound before the 30-day return period is up to make sure it fits okay. 

Oh and fyi:  I never heard of the suit till you told me about it in an Inspire.  So if I beat you out of the water, you only have yourself to blame.   

..BS Helix is actually a really nice suit....its no rover, but a nice suit......but if you beat me out of the water, its because you swam more than me......
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papson14 - 2010-03-11 10:45 PM

I absolutely rearrange my family life to train.  I have to also rearrange my training for family life so it's a give and take.  There are tons of cool things to do on this island so I schedule long weekend runs or rides to end at or near somewhere cool so we can jump right into a fun family activity.  The wife and I still go out, no special night either, just whenever we feel like it.

My kid's college fund is safe but my wife has a problem... and that problem is my old gear.  She has been wanting to spend some serious coin on upgrades for me.  I wanted to wait until I felt worthy of upgrades.  Now that I feel I'm ready to upgrade, we live in Okinawa.  Hard to find tri-bikes (or anything tri-related) on this tiny island and the prices are outrageous.  I plan on getting fitted while we're back in the states for IMLP.  Then I'll begin the bike search process after the race.  So as of now the only thing that is expensive is flying to and from Okinawa to race.


I felt the same way and after last years race season I feel worthy for some race wheels.  Those puppies aren’t cheap. 

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jackjack - 2010-03-11 10:49 PM wow, lots of posts in the couple of days I've been away (doing my long training days )!

Seeing that picture of the beautiful Cervelo reminds me of a question about race wheels. I bought my first set back in Nov last year and have not put them on my bike yet but since it has all been trainer riding no issue.
Now it's hopefully time to get outside more consistently, I was wondering whether I should just put them on for a few rides pre race to keep the mileage down on them or whether people use them as their "normal" training wheels too.

Thanks


Not sure which race wheels (tubulars or clinchers) you’re getting.  Practice changing them out and changing tires; even clinchers can be different in changing tires on race wheels.  When you get them put a few rides on them focusing on how they handle and feel in wind.  Then put you training wheels back on training with them.  A few rides before your race put your race wheels back on.  This is mainly to check that everything is in alignment and functions properly.  You will be more then like in a taper mode so your rides maybe relaxed.

 

My race wheels are 2lbs lighter than my training wheels.




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PennState - 2010-03-12 7:29 AM 

My suit doesn't fit me anymore, so I do need one. Anyone have any opinions on the blue helix? Probably won't get it for a few months. Thanks.


Doesn’t Paul use that suit?  Have you tried it?

2010-03-12 6:54 AM
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tasr - 2010-03-12 7:48 AM
jackjack - 2010-03-11 10:49 PM wow, lots of posts in the couple of days I've been away (doing my long training days )!

Seeing that picture of the beautiful Cervelo reminds me of a question about race wheels. I bought my first set back in Nov last year and have not put them on my bike yet but since it has all been trainer riding no issue.
Now it's hopefully time to get outside more consistently, I was wondering whether I should just put them on for a few rides pre race to keep the mileage down on them or whether people use them as their "normal" training wheels too.

Thanks


Not sure which race wheels (tubulars or clinchers) you’re getting.  Practice changing them out and changing tires; even clinchers can be different in changing tires on race wheels.  When you get them put a few rides on them focusing on how they handle and feel in wind.  Then put you training wheels back on training with them.  A few rides before your race put your race wheels back on.  This is mainly to check that everything is in alignment and functions properly.  You will be more then like in a taper mode so your rides maybe relaxed.

 

My race wheels are 2lbs lighter than my training wheels.




Aaah, thanks, that's good advice about the changing - I kind of assumed since I can change a tyre I'd be OK.  I've got "race tyres" to put on them anyway so that will be my first bit of practice.  Then I'm hoping I can just swap wheels easily and go!
All my wheels (training and race) are clinchers.  I've got a zipp 404/808 combo
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jackjack - 2010-03-12 7:54 AM

Aaah, thanks, that's good advice about the changing - I kind of assumed since I can change a tyre I'd be OK.  I've got "race tyres" to put on them anyway so that will be my first bit of practice.  Then I'm hoping I can just swap wheels easily and go!
All my wheels (training and race) are clinchers.  I've got a zipp 404/808 combo


Cool! 606's are a good setup.  I thought hard about that setup, before I went with 808's.  Nothing wrong with 606's I just wanted deeper wheels.  

Last page Fred posted about this.  Did you see it?



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tasr - 2010-03-12 8:02 AM
jackjack - 2010-03-12 7:54 AM

Aaah, thanks, that's good advice about the changing - I kind of assumed since I can change a tyre I'd be OK.  I've got "race tyres" to put on them anyway so that will be my first bit of practice.  Then I'm hoping I can just swap wheels easily and go!
All my wheels (training and race) are clinchers.  I've got a zipp 404/808 combo


Cool! 606's are a good setup.  I thought hard about that setup, before I went with 808's.  Nothing wrong with 606's I just wanted deeper wheels.  

Last page Fred posted about this.  Did you see it?



Oh I read everything here - it's a great thread!   I just went and checked what my race tyres were and they are Michelin 303 which is what he says he uses!  The funny thing is  I was sold on them because they are yellow and black -the same colour as my bike!  I know, I know that's such a girlie thing to say    The stickers are coming off the wheels too for a sleek black look.

And I love peoples suggestions about nutrition stuff, particularly the heavy bottles for the first uphill bit.  I'm really rethinking my strategy here.

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gopennstate - 2010-03-11 6:44 PM
Number 1 thing I will do differently is not have a water bottle laying down in between my aerobars.  The bottles of water they gave on the course were slightly smaller and jiggled around like crazy.  Was annoying the ENTIRE bike ride, scary during the Keene descent b/c i basically had to hold the bottle, i dropped the bottle on the way back into town and had no water until the next aid station (btw, there is not an aid station at special needs).  I think someone else mentioned the bottle being small too (James?).  It might work with some bottle holders but it didn't work with mine. 


Yeah, I was going to start a whole thread on the forum about this. I know it's a set up used by a few pro's, but I think the dubious and questionable claimed aerodynamic advantage is mitigated by the awkward position of the bottle and the fact that on course GE and water bottles are not the same size as a standard 16oz bike bottle. Those GE bottles even have the funky grip bottom. I think rattling around and potentially falling out on to your front wheel seems like a problem waitng to happen. I'm not sure what one accomplishes by doing this as opposed to just having two bottles on the frame or two behind the seat where they are sitting upright, not potentially spilling, and are just as easy to reach.
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jackjack - 2010-03-11 10:49 PM wow, lots of posts in the couple of days I've been away (doing my long training days )!

Seeing that picture of the beautiful Cervelo reminds me of a question about race wheels. I bought my first set back in Nov last year and have not put them on my bike yet but since it has all been trainer riding no issue.
Now it's hopefully time to get outside more consistently, I was wondering whether I should just put them on for a few rides pre race to keep the mileage down on them or whether people use them as their "normal" training wheels too.

Thanks

From what I've read and have been told, the answer of using Race Wheels during training depends 1.) on the brand/type of race wheel and 2) Personal Preference.  The Hed Jet 60 Clinchers are a close-to bombproof wheel, so you can also use them as an everyday training wheel.  It's actually just a Hed Ardennes wheel with carbon fairings attached to the rim.  So the strength and structure of the wheel has nothing to do with the carbon; whereas the carbon on Zipp wheels is directly mounted between the rim and the spoke, so the integrity of the wheel depends on the carbn and they may not fair as well with everyday training.  Although I have heard that the Zipp 404 clinchers can take a beating. 

This was part of the reason I decided to get Hed Jet Race wheels.  I feel if I'm going to drop that much coin on a wheel, I want to enjoy them as much as possible and not just a handfull of times.  Also, the aero wheels handle much different than my stock wheels that came with the bike.   With the aero race wheels the bike goes into corners much faster, handling in crosswinds is much different, and come Race Day I want to make sure I've had enough time using my Race Wheels so I feel comfortable with them.  That's my .02 cents.

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Huh, I don't know annyone who trains on a set of race wheels. It's fine if you do, I just think riding 6000+ miles per year on a $2500 wheel set is asking for trouble. I have never found the handleing differences that profound between my Velomax clincher training wheels and any of my ZIPP set ups. In fact, the ZIPP's don't brake and stop as well. I also like the added weight during training and then the noticable lack of weight come race day. For sure race wheels are well contructed, but the opportunities to damage them doesn't make me feel like I want to ride them more. And if I have an accident or have to drop the bike...yikes!
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