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Q for the bike peeps: How much does bike 'strength' transfer to bike endurance?  Ie does doing hard intervals transfer to being able to ride for long periods without fatigue?  I had some time to think on the trainer today, cause my computer kept buffering my show...


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I did a little brick-y-poo today.  My run was super slow, on purpose, but you know what?  I don't even care how slow it was.  I felt good, totally relaxed, nothing hurt.  The weather is absolutely gorgeous, which has not happened at this time of the year for at least 2 years.  And now, we are firing up the barbie for some steak, shrimp, baked potato, and stuffed mushrooms.  And maybe a beerz.  Cool 
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bcraht - 2013-03-30 12:09 PM Q for the bike peeps: How much does bike 'strength' transfer to bike endurance?  Ie does doing hard intervals transfer to being able to ride for long periods without fatigue?  I had some time to think on the trainer today, cause my computer kept buffering my show...

Advice and wise words from Macca and his coach MG.  Intensity workouts are great - BUT you need endurance first.  You gotta be able to sit on the bike for a few hours....then intensity can come into play.  Same with the long run, you gotta do those 2-2.30 runs then you can start the interval stuff.

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Asalzwed - 2013-03-30 7:10 AM
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Asalzwed - 2013-03-30 3:37 AM

HA, funny, my coach just sent me a really long e-mail about tapering. He even referenced Jekyll and Hyde.

He also gave me a few workouts ahead of time. 8 x 800 next Wednesday. I can feel that one already! 

So this makes taper different from usual how?

I lied. Clearly. Well, I can't sleep.

It was the unwanted sexting, wasn't it?

FYI sexting is rarely unwanted.

2013-03-29 11:03 PM
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Ann-Marie said I'd been quiet...sorry!

So today I thought I'd try my bike in the yard....YIKES DISASTER....Forgotten everything about riding that I've known since about 5 years old.  Complete meltdown tears and tantrums etc.

Sent a text to Andrew the hot hot piglet who wants to take me riding Sunday morning, said no way I can do it no way at all.

He phoned me, calmed me down, talked to me told me he has trained people to ride motorbikes at 200kph, we'll be fine.

I hung up the phone and got back on my bike....slowly it came back.  He's coming at 8am.  I'm tempted to go out at 7 to the park just to be sure...

I'm so nervous I won't sleep at all.  BUT I have absolute faith in this guy - there is something about him apart from his obvious hawtness.

I am definitely gonna have a crush on my coach! 

Tonight is Bruce Springsteen - The Boss in concert.  Gotta love that.

2013-03-30 1:19 AM
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bcraht - 2013-03-30 12:09 PM Q for the bike peeps: How much does bike 'strength' transfer to bike endurance?  Ie does doing hard intervals transfer to being able to ride for long periods without fatigue?  I had some time to think on the trainer today, cause my computer kept buffering my show...

Advice and wise words from Macca and his coach MG.  Intensity workouts are great - BUT you need endurance first.  You gotta be able to sit on the bike for a few hours....then intensity can come into play.  Same with the long run, you gotta do those 2-2.30 runs then you can start the interval stuff.

Pretty much, but the order isn't that important (although bang-zero-never-on-bike beginners should probably focus more on just getting time in and not doing a lot of top-end type stuff).

Bryan Dunn (bryancd, a great guy whose logs to check out) talks about Z2 as "where bike fitness goes to die." For cyclists with some base, a couple years on their legs, the evidence really seems to point to this.

Bike intensity is very important, but yeah, you need to be able to sit in that saddle for X hours. So for past-beginner cyclists (pretty much all of us here), you still need to put in long rides. But certainly not all of your riding should be long/steady/Z1-2. In fact, I'd say except for long rides, and recovery rides (pretty much none of us here do enough riding/intensity to warrant that, though), they shouldn't be.

Remember that strength training on the bike comes in many forms--road and trainer. Hills, big-ring flats, yes, intervals, etc.



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TriAya - 2013-03-29 11:19 PM
jobaxas - 2013-03-30 12:58 PM

bcraht - 2013-03-30 12:09 PM Q for the bike peeps: How much does bike 'strength' transfer to bike endurance?  Ie does doing hard intervals transfer to being able to ride for long periods without fatigue?  I had some time to think on the trainer today, cause my computer kept buffering my show...

Advice and wise words from Macca and his coach MG.  Intensity workouts are great - BUT you need endurance first.  You gotta be able to sit on the bike for a few hours....then intensity can come into play.  Same with the long run, you gotta do those 2-2.30 runs then you can start the interval stuff.

Pretty much, but the order isn't that important (although bang-zero-never-on-bike beginners should probably focus more on just getting time in and not doing a lot of top-end type stuff).

Bryan Dunn (bryancd, a great guy whose logs to check out) talks about Z2 as "where bike fitness goes to die." For cyclists with some base, a couple years on their legs, the evidence really seems to point to this.

Bike intensity is very important, but yeah, you need to be able to sit in that saddle for X hours. So for past-beginner cyclists (pretty much all of us here), you still need to put in long rides. But certainly not all of your riding should be long/steady/Z1-2. In fact, I'd say except for long rides, and recovery rides (pretty much none of us here do enough riding/intensity to warrant that, though), they shouldn't be.

Remember that strength training on the bike comes in many forms--road and trainer. Hills, big-ring flats, yes, intervals, etc.

Thanks for both replies.  Just something I was thinking about today.  I don't do much any long riding over the winter, just too rainy here, but if the weather stays as it is right now, I will be getting outside sooner rather than later. 

2013-03-30 1:38 AM
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bcraht - 2013-03-30 3:31 PM
TriAya - 2013-03-29 11:19 PM
jobaxas - 2013-03-30 12:58 PM

bcraht - 2013-03-30 12:09 PM Q for the bike peeps: How much does bike 'strength' transfer to bike endurance?  Ie does doing hard intervals transfer to being able to ride for long periods without fatigue?  I had some time to think on the trainer today, cause my computer kept buffering my show...

Advice and wise words from Macca and his coach MG.  Intensity workouts are great - BUT you need endurance first.  You gotta be able to sit on the bike for a few hours....then intensity can come into play.  Same with the long run, you gotta do those 2-2.30 runs then you can start the interval stuff.

Pretty much, but the order isn't that important (although bang-zero-never-on-bike beginners should probably focus more on just getting time in and not doing a lot of top-end type stuff).

Bryan Dunn (bryancd, a great guy whose logs to check out) talks about Z2 as "where bike fitness goes to die." For cyclists with some base, a couple years on their legs, the evidence really seems to point to this.

Bike intensity is very important, but yeah, you need to be able to sit in that saddle for X hours. So for past-beginner cyclists (pretty much all of us here), you still need to put in long rides. But certainly not all of your riding should be long/steady/Z1-2. In fact, I'd say except for long rides, and recovery rides (pretty much none of us here do enough riding/intensity to warrant that, though), they shouldn't be.

Remember that strength training on the bike comes in many forms--road and trainer. Hills, big-ring flats, yes, intervals, etc.

Thanks for both replies.  Just something I was thinking about today.  I don't do much any long riding over the winter, just too rainy here, but if the weather stays as it is right now, I will be getting outside sooner rather than later. 

For a look-see, check out Jorge's Winter Cycling Programs here (they might be called something else, but that's the idea). For cyclists with as I said some decent cycling in them, those are outstanding programs for improving your cycling--not really long-ridey, but once you start adding in long rides, the endurance improvement is pretty impressive.

2013-03-30 10:34 AM
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Anyone else tracking TJ? My athlete live has her swim time at 2:53:15?? I assume that is from the start of race not her wave but I thought her wave was 31 min after the start? I think 53:15 is likely her time.
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bcraht - 2013-03-30 11:34 AM Anyone else tracking TJ? My athlete live has her swim time at 2:53:15?? I assume that is from the start of race not her wave but I thought her wave was 31 min after the start? I think 53:15 is likely her time.

 

I have her at 3:27 on the bike.  14 miles to go and the worst of the hills are behind her.  Go TJ!  Go!

http://www.myathletelive.com/storage/races/2013/IMOceanside/index.html

That can't be right.  She' only been on the course about 90 minutes.  She's 10 miles into the bike.  Go TJ!



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bcraht - 2013-03-30 11:34 AM Anyone else tracking TJ? My athlete live has her swim time at 2:53:15?? I assume that is from the start of race not her wave but I thought her wave was 31 min after the start? I think 53:15 is likely her time.

Oh, thanks for the reminder, I have it pulled up now.

GOOOOOOOOOOOO TJ GOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!



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I'm following too. Ironman website has her split as 41:45
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Yep! I have TJ and ChrisM (from here also and good friend from LA) trackin' em and 2 good pro friends, Luke McKenzie and Melanie McQuaid (she won it last year)
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41:45 for swim.....
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Richardsdrr - 2013-03-30 10:52 PM I'm following too. Ironman website has her split as 41:45

I'm definitely grateful they don't call me Arse but don't think it's never happened!

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bcraht - 2013-03-30 11:34 AM Anyone else tracking TJ? My athlete live has her swim time at 2:53:15?? I assume that is from the start of race not her wave but I thought her wave was 31 min after the start? I think 53:15 is likely her time.

 

I have her at 3:27 on the bike.  14 miles to go and the worst of the hills are behind her.  Go TJ!  Go!

http://www.myathletelive.com/storage/races/2013/IMOceanside/index.html

That can't be right.  She' only been on the course about 90 minutes.  She's 10 miles into the bike.  Go TJ!

Hmm, I have her at 3:33 about 11 miles into the bike! It's showing almost 3 hrs for the swim ,so something is obviously off.


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Richardsdrr - 2013-03-30 10:53 AM41:45 for swim.....
That's much more reasonable!
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bcraht - 2013-03-29 8:09 PM Q for the bike peeps: How much does bike 'strength' transfer to bike endurance?  Ie does doing hard intervals transfer to being able to ride for long periods without fatigue?  I had some time to think on the trainer today, cause my computer kept buffering my show...

Kirsten, all I have is my experience and what I have heard through some other folks, so YMMV. My first 2 years have been about comfort and endurance. Rides have gotten into the 40 mile, almost 50 mile range at times. 2+ to nearly 3 hours on the bike, steady pacing throughout.  I have read a bunch of stuff this winter and it seems like now is the time (for me) to start to add intervals. I will be adding telephone pole sprints into some of my single person rides, and pushing with some of the bigger dogs on my group rides. I feel that I need to take things in stages, and I may now be ready to really start to push the bike. I spent the winter with this same mindset on running, and it really helped me.

I am hopeful that will translate into some faster ride times in my sprint tri's this summer.

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TriAya - 2013-03-30 3:54 PM

Richardsdrr - 2013-03-30 10:52 PM I'm following too. Ironman website has her split as 41:45

I'm definitely grateful they don't call me Arse but don't think it's never happened!

Bit slow on the uptake there arsi
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11.6 mile bike split 43:58
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Richardsdrr - 2013-03-30 11:01 PM
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Richardsdrr - 2013-03-30 10:52 PM I'm following too. Ironman website has her split as 41:45

I'm definitely grateful they don't call me Arse but don't think it's never happened!

Bit slow on the uptake there arsi

Low blow. I'm VERY slow on the uptake!!!



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I don't think I can go to bed without seeing who wins Oceanside today. Good thing those pros run fast

Turning out to be an edge-of-your-seat battle today, men's and women's.

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TJ's ripping it up! That was a great swim time and she's halfway through the bike. The hills start here, but she does crazy hill training and she's really prepared.
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She's just now outta the hills. GOOOOO!!!!!!
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She'll be on the run in a few minutes, she's done fantastically!
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