Gun permit holders published (Page 7)

pitt83 - 2012-12-26 5:59 AM Or tell the parent of a murdered 6 year old that it's perfectly OK to own a clone of a military assault rifle.

jgaither - 2012-12-26 4:44 PM

Yes he is and probably doesn't care much for me using his words the way I did.  But I did it anyway.  It just struck me as a good example of how no one did anything "wrong", but it created a problem none the less.  One that could potentially have been much bigger.  I don't see how it could be enforced and I'm not sure much effort needs to be put on enforcement of such a restrictions.  I've always maintained that education is the key.  Teach people the repercussions and they should be able to come to the conclusions on their own.  Drill it into their heads during gun classes and it will take care of itself.

DanielG - 2012-12-26 5:20 PM If someone broke into my house, stole my chainsaw, gallon of gasoline, kitchen knives and one of my guns, then stole my car, ran into a bus full of orphaned nuns, turning the bus over, took the items and hacked, cut up and burned every one of those orphaned nuns, I'm not responsible. Yet if that same person shot ONE of those nuns, I'm suddenly responsible? Another question. While someone's in my house burgling it, they take my guns. During this crime another person breaks in and the first burglar shoots the second one. Suddenly I'm responsible?

tuwood - 2012-12-26 6:24 PM

I agree that we can't hold people criminally responsible or liable for what criminals do with our stolen stuff.  I personally would entertain a civil fine or possibly a low level misdemeanor offense of not storing a gun in a proper locked container that results in a theft or something like that, but as Left Brain put it would be next to impossible to enforce.

jgaither - 2012-12-26 4:44 PM

Yes he is and probably doesn't care much for me using his words the way I did.  But I did it anyway.  It just struck me as a good example of how no one did anything "wrong", but it created a problem none the less.  One that could potentially have been much bigger.  I don't see how it could be enforced and I'm not sure much effort needs to be put on enforcement of such a restrictions.  I've always maintained that education is the key.  Teach people the repercussions and they should be able to come to the conclusions on their own.  Drill it into their heads during gun classes and it will take care of itself.

tuwood - 2012-12-26 3:36 PM

Yeah, but that police officer is a "Lefty"  haha. 

I'm about as pro gun as they get and I do lean more on the side of mandating safes for gun storage.  I honestly don't know how it would/could be enforced and Left Brain gave a great example of how it could never be prosecuted.  Heck, even if there's a misdemeanor offense with a $100 fine and 3 days in jail for having your gun stolen then it would get a percentage of people to invest in safes that would help the overall theft problem.

wwlani - 2012-12-26 4:33 PM I have a problem with it only because people overreact. If my son's friends parents knew we had weapons in the house (yes trigger locks, yes in locked secure safe, yes ammo somewhere else also under lock) they may or may not let their child over. My son has known from a young age the danger of a weapon and NEVER to play with. If a friend "shows" him one, leave. Immediately - no questions asked. never has had too but it isn't anyone's business what I do or do not have in my personal home.

That being said there is no need for assult weapon either.

wwlani - 2012-12-26 6:33 PM

That being said there is no need for assult weapon either.

DanielG - 2012-12-26 7:47 PM Would you mind defining that phrase for me so we can be sure we're talking about the same thing? Here, tell you what, which of these are assault weapon(s)?

BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-12-26 7:56 PM

Hello Kitty, Goodbye varmints. Who needs claws?

Just reminded me why I keep reading this thread. Thanks Daniel!

GomesBolt - 2012-12-26 8:26 PM

Correction.

The last one could be if it has the right fire control settings.

DanielG - 2012-12-26 6:47 PM Would you mind defining that phrase for me so we can be sure we're talking about the same thing? Here, tell you what, which of these are assault weapon(s)? 

DanielG - 2012-12-26 5:20 PM

If someone broke into my house, stole my chainsaw, gallon of gasoline, kitchen knives and one of my guns, then stole my car, ran into a bus full of orphaned nuns, turning the bus over, took the items and hacked, cut up and burned every one of those orphaned nuns, I'm not responsible. Yet if that same person shot ONE of those nuns, I'm suddenly responsible?

Another question. While someone's in my house burgling it, they take my guns. During this crime another person breaks in and the first burglar shoots the second one. Suddenly I'm responsible?

GomesBolt - 2012-12-26 8:30 PM

Didn't it have to be safe, single shot (semi) and either burst or auto?

If you just had safe and fire it wouldn't have been considered a ban weapon. If it had safe and full auto, it wouldn't either but could be banned under a Starr's automatic weapons ban (in addition to jamming like crazy and firing I accurately as crazy).

That being said there is no need for assult weapon either.

mr2tony - 2012-12-26 8:31 PM


Yes that's correct. You would be responsible for the death of the person who was shot. That's how the law would work. Just locking your house, to me, isn't good enough. You need to ensure those guns are in a safe. But again, just my opinion.

Laws aside, why the resistance to locking your guns? Would you be willing to risk YOUR GUN being used in a mass murder because you don't want to spend the money for a safe or you think your guns are safe enough?

GomesBolt - 2012-12-26 8:30 PM

Didn't it have to be safe, single shot (semi) and either burst or auto?

tuwood - 2012-12-26 8:30 PM

This ones easy.  The black ones are all Assault Weapons, duh.

DanielG - 2012-12-26 7:36 PM



What I believe or do not believe is irrelevant. If one is responsible for someone misusing something they stole from you, shouldn't that be across the board, as in all dangerous implements? If not then it should be for none. I lock my house, I really don't care if that's "good enough for you."