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  2008-10-17 9:40 AM in reply to: #1748278 |
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| 2008-10-17 9:53 AM in reply to: #1749392 |
 Davenport, IA | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber crowny2 - 2008-10-17 9:31 AM BIGNEW - 2008-10-17 9:18 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:05 AM Why am I, a Virginian, paying $3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago, Illinois. Isn't that something the citizens of Illinois should pay for themselves?Wolff27 - 2008-10-17 8:57 AM ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-16 10:07 PM Don't you get it - we already pay enough! America has the second highest corporate taxes in the world - who does that hurt - US. The companies pay us less and increase prices due to high taxes. There is so much waste in government it is a joke! If these crooks on both sides of the aisle actually looked at the crap they were spending money on and spent where really needed we would have no problem. There are literally millions of examples of corruption in programs. Does someone getting food stamps really need them or deserve them if they are then going to spend a hundred dollars on a pair of shoes???? That $3 Million projector is not a NEED right now - that is why we run a deficit - paying for stuff not NEEDED but WANTED> These politicians need to quit acting like children who stoled their parents credit card.Interesting to me that, after all the talk of taxes, no one really put this into historical perspective. What do you get in a society when the have-nots greatly outnumber the haves? Civil unrest at best, outright revolution at worst, where the poor forcibly redistribute the wealth anyway. I'll pay more tax under Obama than McCain - and if it feeds someone, helps provide medical care for someone who couldn't afford it, puts books in the library, even pays for a $3 million projector, I'm proud to do it. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_request_a_3_million_overhead.html Oh, and for that matter, why should any money from anyone go to anywhere outside of their respective state? Doesn't benefit them so why should they care? Heck, why doesn't each state just succeed and become self sufficient? Not like they should care about any other state. To each their own, right? Take it to the county level and stop sending all of Central and Southern Illinois' tax dollars to Chicago. |
| 2008-10-17 9:57 AM in reply to: #1749386 |
Extreme Veteran 469  | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:29 AM BIGNEW - 2008-10-17 9:18 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:05 AM Why am I, a Virginian, paying $3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago, Illinois. Isn't that something the citizens of Illinois should pay for themselves?Wolff27 - 2008-10-17 8:57 AM ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-16 10:07 PM Don't you get it - we already pay enough! America has the second highest corporate taxes in the world - who does that hurt - US. The companies pay us less and increase prices due to high taxes. There is so much waste in government it is a joke! If these crooks on both sides of the aisle actually looked at the crap they were spending money on and spent where really needed we would have no problem. There are literally millions of examples of corruption in programs. Does someone getting food stamps really need them or deserve them if they are then going to spend a hundred dollars on a pair of shoes???? That $3 Million projector is not a NEED right now - that is why we run a deficit - paying for stuff not NEEDED but WANTED> These politicians need to quit acting like children who stoled their parents credit card.Interesting to me that, after all the talk of taxes, no one really put this into historical perspective. What do you get in a society when the have-nots greatly outnumber the haves? Civil unrest at best, outright revolution at worst, where the poor forcibly redistribute the wealth anyway. I'll pay more tax under Obama than McCain - and if it feeds someone, helps provide medical care for someone who couldn't afford it, puts books in the library, even pays for a $3 million projector, I'm proud to do it. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_request_a_3_million_overhead.html Ummmm.... read the article. You didn't. The money came from elsewhere. I stand corrected, I didn't read the last sentence. |
| 2008-10-17 10:01 AM in reply to: #1749392 |
| Extreme Veteran 469 | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:31 AM BIGNEW - 2008-10-17 9:18 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:05 AM Why am I, a Virginian, paying $3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago, Illinois. Isn't that something the citizens of Illinois should pay for themselves?Wolff27 - 2008-10-17 8:57 AM ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-16 10:07 PM Don't you get it - we already pay enough! America has the second highest corporate taxes in the world - who does that hurt - US. The companies pay us less and increase prices due to high taxes. There is so much waste in government it is a joke! If these crooks on both sides of the aisle actually looked at the crap they were spending money on and spent where really needed we would have no problem. There are literally millions of examples of corruption in programs. Does someone getting food stamps really need them or deserve them if they are then going to spend a hundred dollars on a pair of shoes???? That $3 Million projector is not a NEED right now - that is why we run a deficit - paying for stuff not NEEDED but WANTED> These politicians need to quit acting like children who stoled their parents credit card.Interesting to me that, after all the talk of taxes, no one really put this into historical perspective. What do you get in a society when the have-nots greatly outnumber the haves? Civil unrest at best, outright revolution at worst, where the poor forcibly redistribute the wealth anyway. I'll pay more tax under Obama than McCain - and if it feeds someone, helps provide medical care for someone who couldn't afford it, puts books in the library, even pays for a $3 million projector, I'm proud to do it. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_request_a_3_million_overhead.html Oh, and for that matter, why should any money from anyone go to anywhere outside of their respective state? Doesn't benefit them so why should they care? Heck, why doesn't each state just succeed and become self sufficient? Not like they should care about any other state. To each their own, right? No I should not be paying for projects in other states that have no benefit to anyone except the state that receives the money. Hence the purpose of most pork barrel spending. If it serves the people of the United States then it needs to budgeted and funded appropiately. Not as a bribe to buy a vote on another bill. Edited by BIGNEW 2008-10-17 10:08 AM |
| 2008-10-17 10:01 AM in reply to: #1749492 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber Sprint_DA - 2008-10-17 9:53 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 9:31 AM BIGNEW - 2008-10-17 9:18 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:05 AM Why am I, a Virginian, paying $3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago, Illinois. Isn't that something the citizens of Illinois should pay for themselves?Wolff27 - 2008-10-17 8:57 AM ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-16 10:07 PM Don't you get it - we already pay enough! America has the second highest corporate taxes in the world - who does that hurt - US. The companies pay us less and increase prices due to high taxes. There is so much waste in government it is a joke! If these crooks on both sides of the aisle actually looked at the crap they were spending money on and spent where really needed we would have no problem. There are literally millions of examples of corruption in programs. Does someone getting food stamps really need them or deserve them if they are then going to spend a hundred dollars on a pair of shoes???? That $3 Million projector is not a NEED right now - that is why we run a deficit - paying for stuff not NEEDED but WANTED> These politicians need to quit acting like children who stoled their parents credit card.Interesting to me that, after all the talk of taxes, no one really put this into historical perspective. What do you get in a society when the have-nots greatly outnumber the haves? Civil unrest at best, outright revolution at worst, where the poor forcibly redistribute the wealth anyway. I'll pay more tax under Obama than McCain - and if it feeds someone, helps provide medical care for someone who couldn't afford it, puts books in the library, even pays for a $3 million projector, I'm proud to do it. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_request_a_3_million_overhead.html Oh, and for that matter, why should any money from anyone go to anywhere outside of their respective state? Doesn't benefit them so why should they care? Heck, why doesn't each state just succeed and become self sufficient? Not like they should care about any other state. To each their own, right? Take it to the county level and stop sending all of Central and Southern Illinois' tax dollars to Chicago. No problem. That will be a $100 entry fee into the Chicagoland area. You can pay upon arrival or we can bill your credit card. |
| 2008-10-17 10:04 AM in reply to: #1749519 |
| Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber BIGNEW - 2008-10-17 10:01 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:31 AM No I should not be paying for projects in other states that have no benefit to anyone except the state state that receives the money. Hence the purpose of most pork barrel spending. If it service the people of the United States then it needs to budgeted and funded appropiately. Not as a bribe.BIGNEW - 2008-10-17 9:18 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:05 AM Why am I, a Virginian, paying $3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago, Illinois. Isn't that something the citizens of Illinois should pay for themselves?Wolff27 - 2008-10-17 8:57 AM ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-16 10:07 PM Don't you get it - we already pay enough! America has the second highest corporate taxes in the world - who does that hurt - US. The companies pay us less and increase prices due to high taxes. There is so much waste in government it is a joke! If these crooks on both sides of the aisle actually looked at the crap they were spending money on and spent where really needed we would have no problem. There are literally millions of examples of corruption in programs. Does someone getting food stamps really need them or deserve them if they are then going to spend a hundred dollars on a pair of shoes???? That $3 Million projector is not a NEED right now - that is why we run a deficit - paying for stuff not NEEDED but WANTED> These politicians need to quit acting like children who stoled their parents credit card.Interesting to me that, after all the talk of taxes, no one really put this into historical perspective. What do you get in a society when the have-nots greatly outnumber the haves? Civil unrest at best, outright revolution at worst, where the poor forcibly redistribute the wealth anyway. I'll pay more tax under Obama than McCain - and if it feeds someone, helps provide medical care for someone who couldn't afford it, puts books in the library, even pays for a $3 million projector, I'm proud to do it. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_request_a_3_million_overhead.html Oh, and for that matter, why should any money from anyone go to anywhere outside of their respective state? Doesn't benefit them so why should they care? Heck, why doesn't each state just succeed and become self sufficient? Not like they should care about any other state. To each their own, right? You mean like an Internationally recognized museum? That possibly has a one of a kind facility and will need essentially a one of a kind piece of equipment that will benefit ALL visitors to the museum from all over the world? Possibly increasing the Science literacy of our youth? |
| 2008-10-17 10:11 AM in reply to: #1749356 |
Master 1517  Western MA near the VT & NH border on the CT river | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber "Why am I, a Virginian, paying $3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago, Illinois. Isn't that something the citizens of Illinois should pay for themselves"? As a Virginian - for every federal dollar you spend, you get $1.51 back. Pretty good return on your investment. Illinois only gets 78 cents back. The question really should be "Why should the citizens of Illinois pay for Virginia's stop signs?"
Per Capita Tax Burden and Return on Federal Tax Dollar: Fiscal 20051 Per-Capita Adjusted2 Per-Capita Virginia 95,097 12,583 91,149 60,185 7,963 1.51 Illinois 80,778 6,351 77,424 99,776 7,844 0.78 http://www.nemw.org/taxburd.htm "There are 3 types of lies - White Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics"
Edited by ratherbesnowboarding 2008-10-17 10:12 AM |
| 2008-10-17 10:12 AM in reply to: #1749528 |
| Extreme Veteran 469 | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber crowny2 - 2008-10-17 11:04 AM BIGNEW - 2008-10-17 10:01 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:31 AM No I should not be paying for projects in other states that have no benefit to anyone except the state state that receives the money. Hence the purpose of most pork barrel spending. If it service the people of the United States then it needs to budgeted and funded appropiately. Not as a bribe.BIGNEW - 2008-10-17 9:18 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:05 AM Why am I, a Virginian, paying $3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago, Illinois. Isn't that something the citizens of Illinois should pay for themselves?Wolff27 - 2008-10-17 8:57 AM ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-16 10:07 PM Don't you get it - we already pay enough! America has the second highest corporate taxes in the world - who does that hurt - US. The companies pay us less and increase prices due to high taxes. There is so much waste in government it is a joke! If these crooks on both sides of the aisle actually looked at the crap they were spending money on and spent where really needed we would have no problem. There are literally millions of examples of corruption in programs. Does someone getting food stamps really need them or deserve them if they are then going to spend a hundred dollars on a pair of shoes???? That $3 Million projector is not a NEED right now - that is why we run a deficit - paying for stuff not NEEDED but WANTED> These politicians need to quit acting like children who stoled their parents credit card.Interesting to me that, after all the talk of taxes, no one really put this into historical perspective. What do you get in a society when the have-nots greatly outnumber the haves? Civil unrest at best, outright revolution at worst, where the poor forcibly redistribute the wealth anyway. I'll pay more tax under Obama than McCain - and if it feeds someone, helps provide medical care for someone who couldn't afford it, puts books in the library, even pays for a $3 million projector, I'm proud to do it. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_request_a_3_million_overhead.html Oh, and for that matter, why should any money from anyone go to anywhere outside of their respective state? Doesn't benefit them so why should they care? Heck, why doesn't each state just succeed and become self sufficient? Not like they should care about any other state. To each their own, right? You mean like an Internationally recognized museum? That possibly has a one of a kind facility and will need essentially a one of a kind piece of equipment that will benefit ALL visitors to the museum from all over the world? Possibly increasing the Science literacy of our youth? Then it needs to be requested in an appropriate spending bill for that purpose not attached to an unrelated piece of legislation hoping the funds will be buried deep enough it won't be noticed or as a carrot to get a vote. |
| 2008-10-17 10:20 AM in reply to: #1749436 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber surfwallace - 2008-10-17 10:40 AM run4yrlif - 2008-10-16 5:07 PM A) Let's say your $1000 TV costs $900 to put on the shelf in the store, including the roughly $300 in taxes that are currently passed on to the consumer. $100 or 10% profit margin, yes? Take that $300 bucks out and the TV costs $600 to put on the shelf. They should want to keep that same $100 and charge $700, right. That is now a 14% profit margin. Now apply your 30% to $700. That is now a $910 TV. You are assuming that businesses are so greedy that they would mark the price up to $1000 and expect to make $400 profit or now a 40% profit margin. I personally don't think companies would be that greedy and that a) people wouldn't pay it forcing the manufacturer to earn a more realistic profit margin or b) a competitor would enter the market charging less until commodity pricing occurred again. To sum it up the marketplace always corrects itself. B) But let's assume that you are right and everyone just expects more profit by increasing the price by 30%. What is the difference between your gross pay and your net pay? Looking at my paystub it is 35%. Ouch! Let me add to my net, my healthcare, 401k and state tax. Now it is 24%. The actual Fair Tax is proposed at 23% so I say close enough. So in your assumption, the price of the TV goes up 30% (actually 23%). But my take home pay goes up by 24%. So what is the difference? Again, I showed you how you can honestly expect for prices to go down a bit,, companies to make larger profit margins and you to save more money. All the while, your country makes more money without anyone feeling screwed. Or we can stick with the current solution which is a 60,000 page and growing tax code that really only has one option: changing the distribution of wealth to grow the economy. I am not throwing out a soundbite but today's tax code as it stands can only say super rich pay 60%, rich pay 30%, and everyone else pays the last 10% or super rich pays 70% and the rich pay the other 30% or some other mix spread across the super rich down to the poor which adds up to 100%. The fact is the 100% total doesn't change and someone is going to feel screwed. The only question is who. Some congressmen have proposed something different that really does make sense and the only people that won't support it are the ignorant and those that stand to lose something. The ignorant that only see it as a price increase on spending (not true anyway) and not as a equal take home pay increase. And those that stand to lose something like the realtors who believe they will lose if we take out something as important as the mortgage interest deduction. Anyway I have heard on here a couple times that the rich should pay more than others because they use more resources. Not sure I believe that but what better way to put it to a test. And better yet think about 2 people each making $50k. The one that uses more resources will pay more than the one using less in this system. He actually could pay less than someone living beyond their means and wasting resources making $40k in this system. A flat tax can't do that and also doesn't have an answer for the poor taken on too much of a tax burden the same way that the Fair Tax does. Blah blah blah, sorry to hijack but I just don't understand the opposition at all when you have a choice between a fair proposal and the filthy corrupt complex system that is in place today ad that will evolve into something even uglier not just with the next President but with each subsequent President. Hijack off! Down with Joe the Plumber-d bag!!!surfwallace - 2008-10-16 5:18 PM run4yrlif - 2008-10-16 4:06 PM Understand how the proposed consumption tax works and then tell me that the price of the TV goes up $250. The taxes that the company pays for its employees is no longer there in the tax proposal. So the tax is no longer passed on to the consumer. This tax that is taken out is roughly the same tax that the consumer pays for a consumption tax. So it is a wash when you go to check out however you have your gross pay to work with rather than your net pay. Won't there be a shortage if employers don't have to pay the payroll taxes any more? Nope. You gain new revenue streams from the people who don't pay any taxes today because they do illegal work (prostitues, drug dealers, etc.) plus you get tax dollars from tourists. Plus you get to tax the money that all of the rich people spend rather than never seeing a dime of the money they hide in offshore accounts. You keep more can buy the same and the country does better financially (deficit goes away immediately and jobs come back into the country from abroad). I don't know why it is so hard to grasp . surfwallace - 2008-10-16 5:00 PM run4yrlif - 2008-10-16 3:57 PM God forbid we all buy only what we need. However, I think you highly underestimate the power of the Joneses.surfwallace - 2008-10-16 4:52 PM mrbbrad - 2008-10-16 3:25 PM Why do you want to pay taxes on income? Why not get a paycheck with nothing taken out and then decide by your spending how much you give to uncle Sam? Also what about all of those people who don't have an income? They don't pay an income tax. That isn't fair if I have to pay. surfwallace - 2008-10-16 4:11 PM BIGNEW - 2008-10-16 1:17 PM I think our current tax system is antiquated and needs to be overhauled, loopholes, deductions, exemptions, and so on needs to be eliminated. I'm in favor of a combination flat tax and national sales tax. It is called the Fair Tax. I will continue to mention it until people realize that it is this mythical flat tax based on consumption that everyone seems to want. It has been proposed and if you want it tell your congressman if they haven't supported it: http://www.fairtax.org/cgi-bin/scorecard.cgi
I want a flat tax on income. Equal commitment but not equal giving. We all pay, oh, I don't know, say %10? No loopholes, no special categories, no elaborate tax codes. You earn a dollar you give Uncle Same 10 cents. Period. Here's the problem with a consumption tax: it discourages consumption. Maybe, but in an economy where the Dow drops 700 points on news consumer spending is down, a 30% sales tax might not be the best way to make things better. To me, adding $250 to the price of a flat screen TV might discourage me from buying one. The Fair Tax *assumes* that the manufacturers will pass their tax savings on to the consumers. To me, that's a pretty big assumption. So, if that assumption doesn't happen, you're left paying 30% sales tax (plus state and local sales tax) on everything you buy. So, that 1000 dollar flat screen, adding the 30% "fair tax", and say a 7% state sales tax now costs $1370 dollars. The 23% in the fair tax is pure, unadulterated obfuscation. If something costs $100 before tax, the Fair taxers want to make it $130. They get 23% because the $30 they add on is only 23% of the new $130 dollar price tag. But calculating percentages that way is just dumb--they call it a 23% tax, but if you add 30 bucks onto a 100 dollar item, even my third grader could tell you that's a 30% increase. Truth behind the "Fair Tax": http://www.factcheck.org/taxes/unspinning_the_fairtax.html
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| 2008-10-17 10:21 AM in reply to: #1746610 |
| Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber Just cause it bears repeating. Earmarks as a % of total budget |
| 2008-10-17 10:21 AM in reply to: #1749323 |
| Expert 946 Barrington Area, IL | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber crowny2 - 2008-10-17 9:05 AM Wolff27 - 2008-10-17 8:57 AM ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-16 10:07 PM Don't you get it - we already pay enough! America has the second highest corporate taxes in the world - who does that hurt - US. The companies pay us less and increase prices due to high taxes. There is so much waste in government it is a joke! If these crooks on both sides of the aisle actually looked at the crap they were spending money on and spent where really needed we would have no problem. There are literally millions of examples of corruption in programs. Does someone getting food stamps really need them or deserve them if they are then going to spend a hundred dollars on a pair of shoes???? That $3 Million projector is not a NEED right now - that is why we run a deficit - paying for stuff not NEEDED but WANTED> These politicians need to quit acting like children who stoled their parents credit card.Interesting to me that, after all the talk of taxes, no one really put this into historical perspective. What do you get in a society when the have-nots greatly outnumber the haves? Civil unrest at best, outright revolution at worst, where the poor forcibly redistribute the wealth anyway. I'll pay more tax under Obama than McCain - and if it feeds someone, helps provide medical care for someone who couldn't afford it, puts books in the library, even pays for a $3 million projector, I'm proud to do it. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_request_a_3_million_overhead.html I didn't bring up the projector first - coldring did. |
| 2008-10-17 10:21 AM in reply to: #1749520 |
| Davenport, IA | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:01 AM Sprint_DA - 2008-10-17 9:53 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 9:31 AM BIGNEW - 2008-10-17 9:18 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:05 AM Why am I, a Virginian, paying $3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago, Illinois. Isn't that something the citizens of Illinois should pay for themselves?Wolff27 - 2008-10-17 8:57 AM ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-16 10:07 PM Don't you get it - we already pay enough! America has the second highest corporate taxes in the world - who does that hurt - US. The companies pay us less and increase prices due to high taxes. There is so much waste in government it is a joke! If these crooks on both sides of the aisle actually looked at the crap they were spending money on and spent where really needed we would have no problem. There are literally millions of examples of corruption in programs. Does someone getting food stamps really need them or deserve them if they are then going to spend a hundred dollars on a pair of shoes???? That $3 Million projector is not a NEED right now - that is why we run a deficit - paying for stuff not NEEDED but WANTED> These politicians need to quit acting like children who stoled their parents credit card.Interesting to me that, after all the talk of taxes, no one really put this into historical perspective. What do you get in a society when the have-nots greatly outnumber the haves? Civil unrest at best, outright revolution at worst, where the poor forcibly redistribute the wealth anyway. I'll pay more tax under Obama than McCain - and if it feeds someone, helps provide medical care for someone who couldn't afford it, puts books in the library, even pays for a $3 million projector, I'm proud to do it. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_request_a_3_million_overhead.html Oh, and for that matter, why should any money from anyone go to anywhere outside of their respective state? Doesn't benefit them so why should they care? Heck, why doesn't each state just succeed and become self sufficient? Not like they should care about any other state. To each their own, right? Take it to the county level and stop sending all of Central and Southern Illinois' tax dollars to Chicago. No problem. That will be a $100 entry fee into the Chicagoland area. You can pay upon arrival or we can bill your credit card. I have that, it's called an I-PASS. |
| 2008-10-17 10:23 AM in reply to: #1749520 |
| Expert 946 Barrington Area, IL | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:01 AM Sprint_DA - 2008-10-17 9:53 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 9:31 AM BIGNEW - 2008-10-17 9:18 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:05 AM Why am I, a Virginian, paying $3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago, Illinois. Isn't that something the citizens of Illinois should pay for themselves?Wolff27 - 2008-10-17 8:57 AM ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-16 10:07 PM Don't you get it - we already pay enough! America has the second highest corporate taxes in the world - who does that hurt - US. The companies pay us less and increase prices due to high taxes. There is so much waste in government it is a joke! If these crooks on both sides of the aisle actually looked at the crap they were spending money on and spent where really needed we would have no problem. There are literally millions of examples of corruption in programs. Does someone getting food stamps really need them or deserve them if they are then going to spend a hundred dollars on a pair of shoes???? That $3 Million projector is not a NEED right now - that is why we run a deficit - paying for stuff not NEEDED but WANTED> These politicians need to quit acting like children who stoled their parents credit card.Interesting to me that, after all the talk of taxes, no one really put this into historical perspective. What do you get in a society when the have-nots greatly outnumber the haves? Civil unrest at best, outright revolution at worst, where the poor forcibly redistribute the wealth anyway. I'll pay more tax under Obama than McCain - and if it feeds someone, helps provide medical care for someone who couldn't afford it, puts books in the library, even pays for a $3 million projector, I'm proud to do it. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_request_a_3_million_overhead.html Oh, and for that matter, why should any money from anyone go to anywhere outside of their respective state? Doesn't benefit them so why should they care? Heck, why doesn't each state just succeed and become self sufficient? Not like they should care about any other state. To each their own, right? Take it to the county level and stop sending all of Central and Southern Illinois' tax dollars to Chicago. No problem. That will be a $100 entry fee into the Chicagoland area. You can pay upon arrival or we can bill your credit card. Is Flossmoor even in Chicagoland???   |
| 2008-10-17 10:23 AM in reply to: #1749599 |
| Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber Sprint_DA - 2008-10-17 10:21 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:01 AM Sprint_DA - 2008-10-17 9:53 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 9:31 AM BIGNEW - 2008-10-17 9:18 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:05 AM Why am I, a Virginian, paying $3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago, Illinois. Isn't that something the citizens of Illinois should pay for themselves?Wolff27 - 2008-10-17 8:57 AM ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-16 10:07 PM Don't you get it - we already pay enough! America has the second highest corporate taxes in the world - who does that hurt - US. The companies pay us less and increase prices due to high taxes. There is so much waste in government it is a joke! If these crooks on both sides of the aisle actually looked at the crap they were spending money on and spent where really needed we would have no problem. There are literally millions of examples of corruption in programs. Does someone getting food stamps really need them or deserve them if they are then going to spend a hundred dollars on a pair of shoes???? That $3 Million projector is not a NEED right now - that is why we run a deficit - paying for stuff not NEEDED but WANTED> These politicians need to quit acting like children who stoled their parents credit card.Interesting to me that, after all the talk of taxes, no one really put this into historical perspective. What do you get in a society when the have-nots greatly outnumber the haves? Civil unrest at best, outright revolution at worst, where the poor forcibly redistribute the wealth anyway. I'll pay more tax under Obama than McCain - and if it feeds someone, helps provide medical care for someone who couldn't afford it, puts books in the library, even pays for a $3 million projector, I'm proud to do it. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_request_a_3_million_overhead.html Oh, and for that matter, why should any money from anyone go to anywhere outside of their respective state? Doesn't benefit them so why should they care? Heck, why doesn't each state just succeed and become self sufficient? Not like they should care about any other state. To each their own, right? Take it to the county level and stop sending all of Central and Southern Illinois' tax dollars to Chicago. No problem. That will be a $100 entry fee into the Chicagoland area. You can pay upon arrival or we can bill your credit card. I have that, it's called an I-PASS. Then we will just put it on that. |
| 2008-10-17 10:24 AM in reply to: #1749603 |
| Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber Wolff27 - 2008-10-17 10:23 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:01 AM Is Flossmoor even in Chicagoland??? Sprint_DA - 2008-10-17 9:53 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 9:31 AM BIGNEW - 2008-10-17 9:18 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:05 AM Why am I, a Virginian, paying $3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago, Illinois. Isn't that something the citizens of Illinois should pay for themselves?Wolff27 - 2008-10-17 8:57 AM ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-16 10:07 PM Don't you get it - we already pay enough! America has the second highest corporate taxes in the world - who does that hurt - US. The companies pay us less and increase prices due to high taxes. There is so much waste in government it is a joke! If these crooks on both sides of the aisle actually looked at the crap they were spending money on and spent where really needed we would have no problem. There are literally millions of examples of corruption in programs. Does someone getting food stamps really need them or deserve them if they are then going to spend a hundred dollars on a pair of shoes???? That $3 Million projector is not a NEED right now - that is why we run a deficit - paying for stuff not NEEDED but WANTED> These politicians need to quit acting like children who stoled their parents credit card.Interesting to me that, after all the talk of taxes, no one really put this into historical perspective. What do you get in a society when the have-nots greatly outnumber the haves? Civil unrest at best, outright revolution at worst, where the poor forcibly redistribute the wealth anyway. I'll pay more tax under Obama than McCain - and if it feeds someone, helps provide medical care for someone who couldn't afford it, puts books in the library, even pays for a $3 million projector, I'm proud to do it. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_request_a_3_million_overhead.html Oh, and for that matter, why should any money from anyone go to anywhere outside of their respective state? Doesn't benefit them so why should they care? Heck, why doesn't each state just succeed and become self sufficient? Not like they should care about any other state. To each their own, right? Take it to the county level and stop sending all of Central and Southern Illinois' tax dollars to Chicago. No problem. That will be a $100 entry fee into the Chicagoland area. You can pay upon arrival or we can bill your credit card. Cook county baby! |
| 2008-10-17 10:34 AM in reply to: #1749590 |
| Subject: ... This user's post has been ignored. Edited by surfwallace 2008-10-17 10:47 AM |
| 2008-10-17 10:43 AM in reply to: #1749608 |
| Expert 946 Barrington Area, IL | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:24 AM Wolff27 - 2008-10-17 10:23 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:01 AM Is Flossmoor even in Chicagoland??? Sprint_DA - 2008-10-17 9:53 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 9:31 AM BIGNEW - 2008-10-17 9:18 AM crowny2 - 2008-10-17 10:05 AM Why am I, a Virginian, paying $3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago, Illinois. Isn't that something the citizens of Illinois should pay for themselves?Wolff27 - 2008-10-17 8:57 AM ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-16 10:07 PM Don't you get it - we already pay enough! America has the second highest corporate taxes in the world - who does that hurt - US. The companies pay us less and increase prices due to high taxes. There is so much waste in government it is a joke! If these crooks on both sides of the aisle actually looked at the crap they were spending money on and spent where really needed we would have no problem. There are literally millions of examples of corruption in programs. Does someone getting food stamps really need them or deserve them if they are then going to spend a hundred dollars on a pair of shoes???? That $3 Million projector is not a NEED right now - that is why we run a deficit - paying for stuff not NEEDED but WANTED> These politicians need to quit acting like children who stoled their parents credit card.Interesting to me that, after all the talk of taxes, no one really put this into historical perspective. What do you get in a society when the have-nots greatly outnumber the haves? Civil unrest at best, outright revolution at worst, where the poor forcibly redistribute the wealth anyway. I'll pay more tax under Obama than McCain - and if it feeds someone, helps provide medical care for someone who couldn't afford it, puts books in the library, even pays for a $3 million projector, I'm proud to do it. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_request_a_3_million_overhead.html Oh, and for that matter, why should any money from anyone go to anywhere outside of their respective state? Doesn't benefit them so why should they care? Heck, why doesn't each state just succeed and become self sufficient? Not like they should care about any other state. To each their own, right? Take it to the county level and stop sending all of Central and Southern Illinois' tax dollars to Chicago. No problem. That will be a $100 entry fee into the Chicagoland area. You can pay upon arrival or we can bill your credit card. Cook county baby! Isn't it crazy how big Cook County is! I live about 55 miles from Flossmoor and in the NW cornor of Cook. |
| 2008-10-17 10:51 AM in reply to: #1749669 |
| Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber Isn't it crazy how big Cook County is! I live about 55 miles from Flossmoor and in the NW cornor of Cook. It is a big beast. I agree. No wonder some burbs are looking to succeed (sp?). That and the ever increasing sales tax. |
| 2008-10-17 10:58 AM in reply to: #1749552 |
| Extreme Veteran 469 | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber Because we have the first successful American Colony......Jamestown. This is due to the fact that we have the US Government is housed in our front yard and the world's largest Naval base (Norfolk) is in our back yard. Edited by BIGNEW 2008-10-17 11:08 AM |
| 2008-10-17 10:59 AM in reply to: #1749552 |
| Extreme Veteran 469 | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber ratherbesnowboarding - 2008-10-17 11:11 AM Because we have the first successful American Colony......Jamestown. This is due to the fact that we have the US Government is housed in our front yard and the world's largest Naval base (Norfolk) is in our back yard. |
| 2008-10-17 10:59 AM in reply to: #1749552 |
| Extreme Veteran 469 | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber ratherbesnowboarding - 2008-10-17 11:11 AM Because we have the first successful American Colony......Jamestown. This is due to the fact that we have the US Government is housed in our front yard and the world's largest Naval base (Norfolk) is in our back yard. |
| 2008-10-17 11:33 AM in reply to: #1749706 |
| Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber BIGNEW - 2008-10-17 10:58 AM Pfft... Who needs the navy? This is due to the fact that we have the US Government is housed in our front yard and the world's largest Naval base (Norfolk) is in our back yard. |
| 2008-10-17 11:49 AM in reply to: #1749713 |
| Master 1517 Western MA near the VT & NH border on the CT river | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber BIGNEW - 2008-10-17 11:59 AM ratherbesnowboarding - 2008-10-17 11:11 AM Because we have the first successful American Colony......Jamestown. This is due to the fact that we have the US Government is housed in our front yard and the world's largest Naval base (Norfolk) is in our back yard.And because Massachusetts stared the revolutionary war we shouldnt have to pay any taxes The District of Columbia was not included in the figures I provided. California, Texas and Florida also have large military bases and they dont get the return that Virgina does, not even close - they all get less than a dollar back. And again, that being said, as a Virginian, NONE of your federal tax dollars goes to fund other states programs since you receive more from the fed - which is the answer to the question you originally posted as to why YOU have to pay for another states services. In terms of money that came back to states in military procurement contracts, salaries and wages, and grants.... "Department of Defense (DoD) procurement contracts. California ($31.2 billion), Virginia ($26.8 billion) and Texas ($20.6 billion) received the largest amount in procurement contracts. Per capita spending on DoD procurement contracts nationally was $828. The top three states per capita were the District of Columbia ($6,137), Virginia ($3,545), and Alaska ($2,894). States with the lowest per capita spending were Idaho ($109), Oregon ($162), and Delaware ($212). Data only indicate the location of the initial contract and do not follow dollars to sub-contracts." http://www.nationalpriorities.org/publications/what_came_to_and_left_your_state_in_2005
Dont mean to hijack the thread, but before you ask why you're paying for another states services, just make sure you are. |
| 2008-10-17 11:59 AM in reply to: #1749841 |
| Extreme Veteran 469 | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber ratherbesnowboarding - 2008-10-17 12:49 PM BIGNEW - 2008-10-17 11:59 AM ratherbesnowboarding - 2008-10-17 11:11 AM Because we have the first successful American Colony......Jamestown. This is due to the fact that we have the US Government is housed in our front yard and the world's largest Naval base (Norfolk) is in our back yard.And because Massachusetts stared the revolutionary war we shouldnt have to pay any taxes The District of Columbia was not included in the figures I provided. California, Texas and Florida also have large military bases and they dont get the return that Virgina does, not even close - they all get less than a dollar back. And again, that being said, as a Virginian, NONE of your federal tax dollars goes to fund other states programs since you receive more from the fed - which is the answer to the question you originally posted as to why YOU have to pay for another states services. In terms of money that came back to states in military procurement contracts, salaries and wages, and grants.... "Department of Defense (DoD) procurement contracts. California ($31.2 billion), Virginia ($26.8 billion) and Texas ($20.6 billion) received the largest amount in procurement contracts. Per capita spending on DoD procurement contracts nationally was $828. The top three states per capita were the District of Columbia ($6,137), Virginia ($3,545), and Alaska ($2,894). States with the lowest per capita spending were Idaho ($109), Oregon ($162), and Delaware ($212). Data only indicate the location of the initial contract and do not follow dollars to sub-contracts." http://www.nationalpriorities.org/publications/what_came_to_and_left_your_state_in_2005
Dont mean to hijack the thread, but before you ask why you're paying for another states services, just make sure you are. DC may not be included but Northern VA is. Home of the CIA, and numerous other government agencies. Not to mention the homes of many menbers of congress. The point is, no citizen from any state should be paying these bribes especially since there is no debate or transparancy to this kind spending. Edited by BIGNEW 2008-10-17 12:03 PM |
| 2008-10-17 12:00 PM in reply to: #1749637 |
| Master 1826 | Subject: RE: Joe the Plumber surfwallace - 2008-10-17 11:34 AMIt costs less to buy It costs less to put on the shelf You are making the assumption that all goods are made in America. If made in Japan/China etc and imported you are paying the taxes to those countries to manufacture, and you will still pay import taxes, so the cost of the original merchandise will be approximately the same .. I am not taking a position one way or the other on whether it is good or bad, but it is a flaw in logic.. One other flaw in logic is using the source of a proposal as evidence of fact.. so linking to the fair tax site to show that the information fair tax presents is accurate is completely circular and is therefore not useful in an argument |
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