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2005-07-12 2:47 PM
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Wow! I can not believe that!

I am with the bear on this one.


2005-07-12 2:47 PM
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Lucy - 2005-07-11 7:20 PM p>There was even a Gay "Triathlon" (qu0te marks theirs) this past June at Disney during GayDays at Disney/Orlando area. 

I will touch this ONLY by request.

I'm sorry my blood sugar is low and I'm not comprehending. What about the Gay Triathlon is it you want to touch, exactly?

Darnit, Renee! You just made me make the weirdest trying-not-to-laugh noise I've ever made in the middle of my dead silent, but very occupied office. Way to go.

2005-07-12 2:55 PM
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possum - 2005-07-12 11:15 AM

whoa. Ok. are you kidding? saying this just to make some of us squirm?
"a nationally recognized hyperbole" Are you kidding? Do you use that "nationally recognized" "hyperbole" with Jews present?

Now I am dizzy.


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2005-07-12 2:58 PM
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kimj81 - 2005-07-12 2:47 PM
Renee - 2005-07-12 12:44 PM
cerveloP3 - 2005-07-12 2:33 PM
Lucy - 2005-07-11 7:20 PM p>There was even a Gay "Triathlon" (qu0te marks theirs) this past June at Disney during GayDays at Disney/Orlando area. 

I will touch this ONLY by request.

I'm sorry my blood sugar is low and I'm not comprehending. What about the Gay Triathlon is it you want to touch, exactly?

Darnit, Renee! You just made me make the weirdest trying-not-to-laugh noise I've ever made in the middle of my dead silent, but very occupied office. Way to go.

Hey, not for nothin' did I win the smack-talk thread. And this was with low-blood sugar, too; I'm barely lucid.

2005-07-12 3:06 PM
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cerveloP3 - 2005-07-12 2:37 PM

Please note that the people offended by the nazi term are both from socialist states.


Oh my. Wow. I'm just speechless.

Well, actually, not too speechless to mention that I would have been slaughtered for three or four different reasons during the Nazi occupation if I had been severely unlucky enough to be born then. Pick your poison: Jew, lesbian, intellectual. Probably something else, too, if those three weren't enough. Three of my four grandparents served during WWII. My family escaped Russia during the revolution.

Have you ever seen a concentration camp tattoo in person? Can you even comprehend the absolute pure evil perpetrated in the guise of a higher good? The judgement--cool judgement--required to determine that an entire group of people were inferior enough not to deserve to live, let alone procreate? All I know is that after studying it for a good portion of my life in various ways, I still can't wrap my mind around such horribleness. My heart seizes up when I see a swastika, knowing that I happen to be in a position where I'm still very easily the target of someone's misguided hate and prejudice. Again, pick your poison: Jew, lesbian (double-whammy of gay and woman), intellectual, cross-dresser (though I actually own a PINK shirt or two).

To even jokingly equate women who worked selflessly so I could have the life that I have with monsters who coolly MURDERED millions of people scares me. Do you think words are impotent? Why do you think the Nazi's went after the intellectuals? It wasn't because they were physically stronger; it was because they had the power of words. About anyone who uses words because they are socially acceptable, I wonder how many ways they are kidding themselves.

It is not a joking matter. Period. Take that crap and peddle it elsewhere.

2005-07-12 3:11 PM
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akabak - 2005-07-12 3:06 PM  Take that crap and peddle it elsewhere.

Thank you.  Trolly McTrollerson needed a good smack-down.



2005-07-12 3:30 PM
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 I think you have four kinds of folks in triathlons

  1. Those who want to see IF they can do a tri
  2. Those who want to see how fast they can do a tri
  3. Those who want to see if they can beat X group in a tri
  4. Those who want to win a tri

I also think that men and women are largely attuned to different types of encouragement. For the most part women seek support, and men respond to "ball-busting" for lack of a better term. In other words, I think that a lot of men are going to read the "come on, you can do it" "way to go" "you're looking good" kind of support as pretty irritating after a while. Just like a lot of women are not going to respond well to the "Quit crying you little maggot, strap on a pair and get your ass moving" method of motivation. As with any other vast generalization, there are a certain number of circumstances when the analysis will break down.

So, if you can grab the attention of the first two groups and provide a generous helping of the "atta girl" attitude and a lack of the "drill sergent"  schtick, you have a successful formula for getting lots of people to come to your race.

A race series is a product, just like a car or a disposable razor, some are marketed at different populations than others. The women only races are aimed at getting women into triathlons......and Reeboks and Dannon. I have no problem with them being for women only, frankly I would not like the "supportive and friendly, warm and fuzzy" aspect of them. Even if they allowed men, it would not be my cup of tea.

As for the undercurrent of this thread. There was a rule back in the old usenet days that the first participant in an argument to use the word "nazi" automatically lost. I like that rule.

2005-07-12 3:31 PM
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Does everyone feel so uncomfortable about the soup-nazi too?

is Jerry Jewish?
What about David the other writer?

2005-07-12 3:34 PM
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cerveloP3 - 2005-07-12 1:37 PM Please note that the people offended by the nazi term are both from socialist states.

There may have been only two people who expressed that they were offended, but I can assure you they are not the only two. If you're implying socialism=nazism, that's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard on these boards.



I was not implying that at all. It is a fact. Na-Zi was a German short hand for National- Socialst party, or The National Socialist German Workers Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei), better known as the NSDAP or the Nazi Party. So while it may be the dumbest thing you ever heard, you must not be too bright then. Nazism is/was an evil party in the cruel personal things done, especially the murdering of millions of people, not just Jews either. My point was that people use it, a la Rush Limbaugh, in things like "Femi Nazi" to elicit a prescribed response. He/they knows it gets people's blood going... So while one person used it on here, probably most were not offended, as I understand what he meant, which was militant, mullet wearing, "all sex is rape" feminists. The people who commented on the use of this were from MA and WI, which politically have always been near Socialist. Ted Kennedy? Are you kidding? Stay out of this one.... you don't stand a chance.


2005-07-12 3:36 PM
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Renee - 2005-07-12 3:44 PM

cerveloP3 - 2005-07-12 2:33 PM
Lucy - 2005-07-11 7:20 PM p>There was even a Gay "Triathlon" (qu0te marks theirs) this past June at Disney during GayDays at Disney/Orlando area. 

I will touch this ONLY by request.

I'm sorry my blood sugar is low and I'm not comprehending. What about the Gay Triathlon is it you want to touch, exactly?





I have a pretty sick, twisted sense of humor. I am sure I could come up with an idea of what the 3 events are in a Gay Triathlon, but I have no idea what order they would be in. I can imagine some serious wrist injuries happening.
2005-07-12 3:38 PM
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soopergirl - 2005-07-12 3:47 PM

Wow! I can not believe that!

I am with the bear on this one.




Just goes to show the "sheep mentality"


2005-07-12 3:40 PM
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cerveloP3 - 2005-07-12 1:34 PM
the bear - 2005-07-12 3:41 PM

There may have been only two people who expressed that they were offended, but I can assure you they are not the only two. If you're implying socialism=nazism, that's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard on these boards.

  Stay out of this one.... you don't stand a chance.

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2005-07-12 3:45 PM
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akabak - 2005-07-12 4:06 PM

cerveloP3 - 2005-07-12 2:37 PM

Please note that the people offended by the nazi term are both from socialist states.


Oh my. Wow. I'm just speechless.

Well, actually, not too speechless to mention that I would have been slaughtered for three or four different reasons during the Nazi occupation if I had been severely unlucky enough to be born then. Pick your poison: Jew, lesbian, intellectual. Probably something else, too, if those three weren't enough. Three of my four grandparents served during WWII. My family escaped Russia during the revolution.

Have you ever seen a concentration camp tattoo in person? Can you even comprehend the absolute pure evil perpetrated in the guise of a higher good? The judgement--cool judgement--required to determine that an entire group of people were inferior enough not to deserve to live, let alone procreate? All I know is that after studying it for a good portion of my life in various ways, I still can't wrap my mind around such horribleness. My heart seizes up when I see a swastika, knowing that I happen to be in a position where I'm still very easily the target of someone's misguided hate and prejudice. Again, pick your poison: Jew, lesbian (double-whammy of gay and woman), intellectual, cross-dresser (though I actually own a PINK shirt or two).

To even jokingly equate women who worked selflessly so I could have the life that I have with monsters who coolly MURDERED millions of people scares me. Do you think words are impotent? Why do you think the Nazi's went after the intellectuals? It wasn't because they were physically stronger; it was because they had the power of words. About anyone who uses words because they are socially acceptable, I wonder how many ways they are kidding themselves.

It is not a joking matter. Period. Take that crap and peddle it elsewhere.




Ok OK, you can step off your soapbox now. My original intent was to step up for a guy who used a term "femi-nazi" See my definition in another post above. Now this thread is no longer anout female only tri's and about some bastards years ago that did some awful things. I call things communist, and you don't get shit stirred up, like calling people nazis. Stalin made Hitler look like an amateur, but he does not get the response taht the nazi equation does. So while you praddle on about your supposed history lesson, let me make it clear that teh Nazis were harassing Jews long before 1939, and the rest of Europe knew all about it and did not do a thing. It wasn't until the Good old US of A came in taht it became an issue, as we had a large Jewish population, and the fact that this is a Nation that believes in a Judeo-Christian Deity en masse, and the moral standards that we set didn't take to that kind of behavior. I am done explaining myself here, so you all have fun.

2005-07-12 3:45 PM
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Jiggies - 2005-07-12 2:31 PM

Does everyone feel so uncomfortable about the soup-nazi too?

is Jerry Jewish?
What about David the other writer?



Here is one person's view. One that I am not sure I completely agree with, but that I find interesting.

http://www.writersblock.ca/fall2000/feature.htm

In general, I think that comedy has historically been allowed more of a free-play of language than non-comedic/ironic usages of words. Indeed, part of what makes things funny is the violation of certain taboos.

I am from MA and live in Wisconsin. The Governor of MA is a Republican and the State legislature of WI is controlled by Republicans. Unless you think that Republicans are socialists-which would imply that you are indeed much farther to the right on the political spectrum than most Americans, I find your argument specious.

2005-07-12 3:47 PM
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I don't want to take liberties with reading Karl's (Motivated) mind but I've met the guy and I''m fairly certain that this is the last kind of nonsense he expected to generate from his original post/query. (Sorry, Karl, if I misspoke on your behalf.)

2005-07-12 3:51 PM
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Why can't you just use a little less loaded term? I'll help you: Feminoying, Feminoxious, Feminasty, etc.... Nazis have nothing to do with feminists and the term wasn't created to be funny, but inflammatory (I expect nothing less from dear Rush).


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cerveloP3 - 2005-07-12 3:45 PM

Stalin made Hitler look like an amateur, but he does not get the response taht the nazi equation does. So while you praddle on about your supposed history lesson, let me make it clear that teh Nazis were harassing Jews long before 1939, and the rest of Europe knew all about it and did not do a thing.



Evidently you missed the part where my family was fleeing Russia because of the revolution.

If someone had said that man-hating feminists were communist mo-fo's, that would have gotten my attention just as much. "From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs" sends just as big a shiver down my good old capitalist spine. Sweeping generalizations and assumptions just get people into trouble--and I'm including myself, here. Just wanted to offer a little clarity to the viewpoint that feminazi was an exceedingly offensive term.

And growing up in a household with a history teacher did a lot to get my facts clear. (BTW, the "good ol' US of A" didn't step into WWII until we were attacked on our own territory not because we had some moral high ground over the rest of the world.)


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2005-07-12 4:13 PM
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Oh. My. Godess.

-I am from Connecticut, just moved to WI last year.
-As Lablover pointed out, the state of WI is muy conservative.
-In "Gay" triathlons, gay athletes swim, bike and run. Imagine! do you want to get into why some gay men might prefer to be around other gay people instead of straight men in this kind of situation? We have Gay Games too. (Like the Olympics)
-I don't think soup Nazi is funny at all. It horrifies me. And I am not Jewish, but am, in fact, German.
-I am mightily embarrassed that I resorted to name calling, and I want to publicly apologize as that is beneath me.
-I am grateful for posts like these because it becomes obvious to me of which people I should steer clear. It's much easier to know who is anti woman anti gay anti American (America as melting pot, land of opportunity, home of the free, etc....) right up front than to be blindsided.
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Jiggies - 2005-07-12 2:31 PM

Does everyone feel so uncomfortable about the soup-nazi too?

is Jerry Jewish?
What about David the other writer?



Here is one person's view. One that I am not sure I completely agree with, but that I find interesting.

http://www.writersblock.ca/fall2000/feature.htm

In general, I think that comedy has historically been allowed more of a free-play of language than non-comedic/ironic usages of words. Indeed, part of what makes things funny is the violation of certain taboos.

I am from MA and live in Wisconsin. The Governor of MA is a Republican and the State legislature of WI is controlled by Republicans. Unless you think that Republicans are socialists-which would imply that you are indeed much farther to the right on the political spectrum than most Americans, I find your argument specious.




Good dialogue on the comedy play. I think somebody finally "gets it." Secondly, whil eyou are correct in your local governance call, MA is represented on a national level by two of teh most liberal senators, and congress-persons in DC. A different moon crosses that state. One of the highest taxed in the union.
WI , namely Madison and Milwaukee, have had mayors taht were registered Socialists, which really isn't saying much as 70 Democratic members of Congress in this session are registered members of the Socialist International, which is the WOrld Socialist Party HQ organization. That is what I meant. WI , a la Tommy Thompson, has swerved to the Republican, dare I say, populist sway as of late.

2005-07-12 4:16 PM
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kimj81 - 2005-07-12 4:51 PM

Why can't you just use a little less loaded term? I'll help you: Feminoying, Feminoxious, Feminasty, etc.... Nazis have nothing to do with feminists and the term wasn't created to be funny, but inflammatory (I expect nothing less from dear Rush).



I did not use the term. Only educating the unenlightened masses.

Thanks for the excellent response.
2005-07-12 4:19 PM
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To try to bring this thread back on topic but for a brief moment, given the present day sensitivity to PC-ness, I'm quite glad they have a woman's only tri.  Men and women are different - emotionally, mentally, physicially - I think we should celebrate those differences.

I think that women having their own race is important to them because, as others have said, it's a less threatening macho environment, and women are generally more supportive of other women in such settings than are men of men.

Why are there no male only tris?  Well, I think women benefit more from women only events than men would from men only events.  Clearly, the presence of women doesn't deter men from participating in tris (quite the opposite, frankly).  It's also important for men to have time and relationships with other men.  I think women should be able to have their own clubs and gatherings, and I think men should have their own clubs and gathterings.

I say VIVE LA DIFFERENCE!!!!



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cerveloP3 - 2005-07-12 3:34 PM
the bear - 2005-07-12 3:41 PM

My point was that people use it, a la Rush Limbaugh, in things like "Femi Nazi" to elicit a prescribed response. He/they knows it gets people's blood going... 

Ahhhh...the Rush Limbaugh defense! I was wondering how long it would be until it was invoked.  So if the tactict is to combine (and therfore associate) the group you wish to deride with  a group that is universally despised to "illicit a response," then how would you feel about being labeled a "conserva-child molester" or "republica-pedophile"? Those make about as much sense as "femi-nazi."



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Evidently you missed the part where my family was fleeing Russia because of the revolution.

If someone had said that man-hating feminists were communist mo-fo's, that would have gotten my attention just as much. "From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs" sends just as big a shiver down my good old capitalist spine. Sweeping generalizations and assumptions just get people into trouble--and I'm including myself, here. Just wanted to offer a little clarity to the viewpoint that feminazi was an exceedingly offensive term.

And growing up in a household with a history teacher did a lot to get my facts clear. (BTW, the "good ol' US of A" didn't step into WWII until we were attacked on our own territory not because we had some moral high ground over the rest of the world.)


But we did not get attacked by "Ze Germans." Did we? They declared war on us after we declared war on Japan. And the Jewish issue never came into play really until around late 1944, as Allied troops began discovering the camps and did not know what they were. My point was that the Europeans knew that the Nazis were at least rounding the Jews up, maybe they tried to overlook the fact that they were being gassed, among other things. The fact that the Nazis were exterminating the JEws was never a factor in WWII until the USA was involved. THAT was my point.
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cerveloP3 - 2005-07-12 2:16 PM
kimj81 - 2005-07-12 4:51 PM Why can't you just use a little less loaded term? I'll help you: Feminoying, Feminoxious, Feminasty, etc.... Nazis have nothing to do with feminists and the term wasn't created to be funny, but inflammatory (I expect nothing less from dear Rush).
I did not use the term. Only educating the unenlightened masses. Thanks for the excellent response.

Good lawd. Someone's on his high horse today. You praised someone for using the term. I don't care if you were the first one to use it in this thread or not. Did you not catch the part where that guy apologized, saying he hadn't meant to offend anyone?

I was trying to lighten the mood while making the point that we're just saying don't use THAT term! The ones I came up would be annoying, but not so offensive. But if you must resort to calling one's opponents names, you don't have a very sharp intellect.



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cerveloP3 - 2005-07-12 3:45 PM

Stalin made Hitler look like an amateur, but he does not get the response taht the nazi equation does. So while you praddle on about your supposed history lesson, let me make it clear that teh Nazis were harassing Jews long before 1939, and the rest of Europe knew all about it and did not do a thing.



Evidently you missed the part where my family was fleeing Russia because of the revolution.

Oh... that was in 1917, and would be about Lenin and Trotsky more than Stalin. Stalin was exterminating his own people on a scale of at least 5 times more than Hitler, and at the same time. The point being, other than you, most people take such offense at the term "Nazi," but not communist, and while both travesties, Stalin- and lets not forget our good buddy Mao- both communists, killed untold tens of millions of their own people with nary a word on our end.
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