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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() carrie639 - 2013-02-08 11:55 AM Cuz you have mentioned previously that your pool times aren't necessarily replicated in the OW
It has more to do with the fact I have access to OW 5 or 6 times a year right now, during races. It's just not something I have access to at 5 AM on a weekday morning. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I never even considered swimming in this context before... My swim is like most "non-swimmers" who get into triathlons, its my weak link. On an average day I can swim an 800 at 1:38/100. On a good day, I may get 1:35/100, and I just don't understand how to get faster. I must have a lot of little things that I do incorrectly as it relates to swimming form. My stroke rate is in the mid 60's per minute or about 22-24 per pool length. My 50 yard kick is 1:32, which is frighteningly slow. I guess I'm guilty of swimming "wasted" laps, because over the last 4 years I must have accumulated between 800,000 and 950,000 yards between the YMCA and OWS. The Masters Swim here is a total joke, no help at all with tips, analysis, training, or guidance; and at the Y, your pretty much on your own. I've watched lots of Youtube clips on swimming form, but it hasn't clicked for me. I need to find a intermediate swim coach I guess.I'm amazed at swimmers who do consistent 100's in the mid and high 1:20's without getting anaerobic. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() All you swimmers and your 1:30s make me sick! ![]() |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I know this is probably irrelevant, but how much difference does it make doing open turns compared to flip turns. I just started working on flip turns and don't feel comfortable with it yet. Just curious. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() cobratodd - 2013-02-08 1:56 PM I never even considered swimming in this context before... My swim is like most "non-swimmers" who get into triathlons, its my weak link. On an average day I can swim an 800 at 1:38/100. On a good day, I may get 1:35/100, and I just don't understand how to get faster. I must have a lot of little things that I do incorrectly as it relates to swimming form. My stroke rate is in the mid 60's per minute or about 22-24 per pool length. My 50 yard kick is 1:32, which is frighteningly slow. I guess I'm guilty of swimming "wasted" laps, because over the last 4 years I must have accumulated between 800,000 and 950,000 yards between the YMCA and OWS. The Masters Swim here is a total joke, no help at all with tips, analysis, training, or guidance; and at the Y, your pretty much on your own. I've watched lots of Youtube clips on swimming form, but it hasn't clicked for me. I need to find a intermediate swim coach I guess.I'm amazed at swimmers who do consistent 100's in the mid and high 1:20's without getting anaerobic. Your kick shouldn't really be playing too a big a role in distance swimming. Distance swimmers generally have a 2 beat kick (as compared to sprinters -- 50 - 100 -200 -- who use a 6 beat kick). The point of the kick on distance or OWS swimming is to help maintain the body position but it shouldn't be a primary driver of overall speed. With regard to getting faster at your pace my guess is there's a form issue (either a dead spot in the pull or dropping hips). I would almost be willing to bet that you have an elbow slip (its probably the most common issue I see with fairly solid swimmers). Couple of questions -- Is there a big difference in your times when you use a pull buoy versus when you swim? Can you describe what you do with your hand and arm when you pull? |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kidtri33 - 2013-02-08 2:07 PM I know this is probably irrelevant, but how much difference does it make doing open turns compared to flip turns. I just started working on flip turns and don't feel comfortable with it yet. Just curious. About 2-3 seconds per 100. Definitely worth learning. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jarvy01 - 2013-02-08 1:03 PM kaburns1214 - 2013-02-08 12:36 PM kidtri33 - 2013-02-08 12:03 PM kaburns1214 - 2013-02-08 9:27 AM What I do 800 in you did 1000 So we talk about aerobic vs. anaerobic athletes and working on limiters. Below are my swim TT times from this morning. I thought I'd let you discuss and then tell y'all what I think:
1 x 200 TT (2:55) ![]() Its actually a little bit of a trick question. I am obviously very aerobic at the moment (two years ago I was much more anaerobic but it goes to show you can build strengths) but I screwed up the 200. Even for someone who is aerobic the 200 pace should be faster than the 1000 pace, mine are almost identical. I did a 600 warm up before the 200 at a pretty easy pace. I should have included a few fast 25s. I essentially was flat out of the gate and never made it up. The other interesting point is my stroke. Over the past 2 months I've worked to eliminate the glide in my stroke and go with a straight, deep arm pull. In OWS you generally lose the very front part of your stroke because of the tumult from other swimmers. I'm trying to build a stroke that won't be impacted by other swimmers. The point about the wetsuit is also key. The weaker the swimmer you are, the more benefit you get from a wetsuit. A wetsuit is like a bubble around your legs and it forces your hips up putting you in good body position. Good swimmers already have this position so the wetsuit doesn't change much. Weaker swimmers who drag their hips get a huge boost from a wetsuit (its like using a pull buoy and still being able to kick). I can't visualize how you're changing your stroke. Do you have any underwater images of how you want your new stroke to look? Nice TTs, Kelly! I've been swimming with former college swimmers recently and have been fooling around with mimicking their strokes. Essentially instead of rotating my body and stretching out my hand upon entry I dive my hand down deep early (but make sure that my elbow stays high relative to my hand). Then I hold a vertical arm, pull back until I hit my hip and then snap the wrist at the hip. I've been toying with getting a Go Pro and taking some video. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I see. Thank you for explaining! I'm going to try it next time I'm at the pool. I have a habit of letting my lead arm float up when I take a breath. Obviously it starts to happen more when I get fatigued. Anyway, go pro footage would be excellent. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() What is swimming? |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm with Larkin. All ya all talking about your swim times can... Someone who does not come from a swim background, please tell me you improved your times with persistance. Block 1 of my training plan down...Block 2 begins next week. I get what Tabatas are now. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ccmpsyd - 2013-02-08 4:41 PM I'm with Larkin. All ya all talking about your swim times can... Someone who does not come from a swim background, please tell me you improved your times with persistance. Block 1 of my training plan down...Block 2 begins next week. I get what Tabatas are now. Persistence and a ton of cussing |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() uhcoog - 2013-02-08 6:03 PM ccmpsyd - 2013-02-08 4:41 PM I'm with Larkin. All ya all talking about your swim times can... Someone who does not come from a swim background, please tell me you improved your times with persistance. Block 1 of my training plan down...Block 2 begins next week. I get what Tabatas are now. Persistence and a ton of cussing Scott is a really good example of someone from a non-swimming background who's made really big improvements. It happens, it just takes patience. Swimming is tough, it takes some skill and finesse. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Snowmobiles are out on the roads, I shoveled once already, the lights just shut-off twice, and I'm hoping the power stays on long enough to get my 1 hour hill-bounding run on the treadmill tonight. As much as a 3.5 hour trainer ride isn't the most exciting way to spend a good part of Saturday morning, I'd feel worse if I missed it, so it's going to be another round of shoveling again in the AM plus a trainer ride with a 25 minute T run right after it - which should leave me good and rested for sunday's shorter ride and 1.5 hour run. So glad the back-to-back 3,000 yard swims were earlier in the week. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() In Dallas for the Hot Chocolate 15k in the morning. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() luv2bhealthy - 2013-02-08 7:11 PM In Dallas for the Hot Chocolate 15k in the morning. Have a blast!!! |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() everlong - 2013-02-06 10:46 AM kr140.6 - 2013-02-06 11:13 AM DDVMM - 2013-02-05 7:01 PM Scott - you have lived through my worst imaginable nightmare. You have a beautiful family. I will light a candle on March 1 for baby Emmie, a life taken way too soon. Thank you for sharing such a personal piece of your life with us. X2. I am so sorry. It is amazing how you have coped. My brother was killed in a car accident when he was 22 (this happened 12 years ago) and we still think of him every day. I'm very sorry about your brother. When I was 22-ish a guy the same age died in a motorcycle accident. I didn't know him all that well but liked him. He was a ball buster in a funny way and being that way myself I gravitate to people like that. I did know a lot of his friends quite well so a group of us timed it so we would arrive at the wake together and go in as a group. For whatever reason I ended up first of our group in the receiving line. I didn't know it going in but he had crashed in the middle of the day, on a straight road with no traffic around. So his parents wanted to know why. Was he racing some random cyclist? Did he just get distracted.......Not knowing as I know how just tears you apart. So his mother was a really large Irish woman and when she saw me and didn't recognize me she grabbed me in a bear hug so tight it literally took my breath away and I could bench 400 pounds at the time. She was screaming and crying, "were you there? just tell me please........" I often think of that now because I just wanted out of there so badly. I just wanted to run. Part of me writes it off to being 22, wet behind the ears and not capable of the compassion that should have been shown. Another part doesn't cut myself nearly as much slack knowing what I know now. All of me wishes I had a do over and I wish there was a way to reach out to her now. Anyway long winded story but I'm sure your parents live it every day and always will. Yes. A friend said "you can get bitter or you can get better".... they got better. My Dad is an amazing surgeon who retired early and went to some of the most ravaged and scary reaches of the planet to do surgery with Doctors Without Borders. Life changing. I definitely thought of my brother a lot when doing and training for the IM (the whole live life to the fullest thing). I know this is a tough month for you...hang in there.... we all will be sending you good vibes |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Kelly exciting about the dog. My ten year old's best friend is a One Direction fanatic ![]() |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kr140.6 - 2013-02-08 9:56 PM luv2bhealthy - 2013-02-08 7:11 PM In Dallas for the Hot Chocolate 15k in the morning. Have a blast!!! x2! Good luck! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() luv2bhealthy - 2013-02-08 8:11 PM In Dallas for the Hot Chocolate 15k in the morning. How fun! What's the weather like? That race was here a couple weeks ago (I didn't do it, but had friends that did) and it was super warm & humid. They still had hot chocolate and the fondue at the end. Have a great race. Oh and the sweatshirts are pretty nice. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Am I the only one that does not know who One Direction is? |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Have a great race. Do well, have fun. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() karen26.2 - 2013-02-09 7:30 AM I only know because of my kids. Am I the only one that does not know who One Direction is? |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jarvy01 - 2013-02-09 6:40 AM X3! Report back in!kr140.6 - 2013-02-08 9:56 PM luv2bhealthy - 2013-02-08 7:11 PM In Dallas for the Hot Chocolate 15k in the morning. Have a blast!!! x2! Good luck! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 2 of our 3 dogs are rescues. They are both from the same litter, but we got them about a year apart. Before we got either, we had our first ridgeback (Kylie) who was a great dog. We decided she needed a friend. We were at PetsMart one Saturday (do not go on Saturdays unless you are prepared to look at all those sweet faces) and there was a beautiful pit bull up for adoption, along with her litter of 8 puppies. We adopted a puppy, Marlo. Kylie got lymphoma shortly after and we lost her before she was 2. The breeder where we got her had another litter of ridgebacks and offered us a puppy. So I flew to San Diego and brought Harper home. Then one Saturday we were at PetsMart (I know) and there was one last puppy from Marlo's litter, except not a puppy anymore because it was about a year later. This poor dog was so afraid of people. She had been adopted a couple of times but was returned because she was so afraid of everything. I'm sure that didn't help her insecurity issues at all. My husband talked me into adopting her (I did not want 3 dogs) and I'm so glad he did. For the first couple of weeks she (Rainey) wouldn't let us get near her. It took a long time for her to trust any of us. She eventually warmed up to me, and basically glued herself to me. She took forever to warm up to my husband, but she eventually after a couple of years. Our son, she has been afraid of from the day we brought her home. She will probably never warm up to him, but she is fascinated by him. Anyway, we now have 3 awesome dogs, 2 that were rescued, all spoiled rotten. Marlo looks like a pit bull / boxer mix. Rainey looks like a pit bull / black lab mix. Harper looks like a crazed, prima dona, beautiful ridgeback. We do not go to PetsMart on Saturdays anymore. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DDVMM - 2013-02-09 7:40 AM karen26.2 - 2013-02-09 7:30 AM I only know because of my kids. Am I the only one that does not know who One Direction is? Same here. One of the shows they watch that I can tolerate is ICarly and they were on there and for a boy band they're not awful. Luckily my daughters hate Justin Beiber who I can't stand. We took them to see Taylor Swift and he opened, few years ago before he really got big, and Cayden was booing and we were cracking up at all the horrified girls shooting her looks. |
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