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 2012-02-12 8:10 PM in reply to: #4043479 |
Elite  3072    san francisco |  Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAININGSSMinnow - 2012-02-12 4:38 PM dcon - 2012-02-12 7:24 AM I have to agree on John's running zones - they look too low.   I guess he has lots of untapped potential waiting to be unleashed.  These are my estimated zones from 2010 (still using them) based on a 10k I did that year.  I've recently been guessing that these are low for me and I'm a couple age groups up. edit: the bike zones look too low too.  Does the EN plan have you doing some testing soon?  It will be interesting to see where you really are.  Why do they seem low? relative to what? I bet if you looked at Kim's you would say the same thing. I think HR numbers are incredibly individual. I just did a LT run test. My LT HR dropped 7 beats (from 168 to 161) from the August test yet my pace was :16/m faster. I consider that a good thing. The only thing I find interesting in these is there is no span in Z5. Like you, I use 5a, 5b, 5c. I couldn't tell you how they figure into anything however. I never see go out and run 10' Z5b, instead I see VO2 workouts that somehow must take that into consideration. I'm assuming EN has a reason for the way they do things too. Right John or Dino? Yes, John's run zones are very close to mine. We are twins like that. Mine are lower than what's in my training log, they have gone down every time we've tested. It's all very individual, as Suzy and Linda point out, however, Dan, I think it's time for you to do a proper run LT test. And let us know how that goes, pretty please! John, thanks posting that pic! I love her top! It's super cute!! |
| 2012-02-12 8:38 PM in reply to: #4043625 |
Elite 4108 Calgary,AB,Canada | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING kt65 - 2012-02-12 7:10 PM Her front i just as nice.going to be a parade across canada tomorrow to celebrate her win.SSMinnow - 2012-02-12 4:38 PM dcon - 2012-02-12 7:24 AM I have to agree on John's running zones - they look too low.   I guess he has lots of untapped potential waiting to be unleashed.  These are my estimated zones from 2010 (still using them) based on a 10k I did that year.  I've recently been guessing that these are low for me and I'm a couple age groups up. edit: the bike zones look too low too.  Does the EN plan have you doing some testing soon?  It will be interesting to see where you really are.  Why do they seem low? relative to what? I bet if you looked at Kim's you would say the same thing. I think HR numbers are incredibly individual. I just did a LT run test. My LT HR dropped 7 beats (from 168 to 161) from the August test yet my pace was :16/m faster. I consider that a good thing. The only thing I find interesting in these is there is no span in Z5. Like you, I use 5a, 5b, 5c. I couldn't tell you how they figure into anything however. I never see go out and run 10' Z5b, instead I see VO2 workouts that somehow must take that into consideration. I'm assuming EN has a reason for the way they do things too. Right John or Dino? Yes, John's run zones are very close to mine. We are twins like that. Mine are lower than what's in my training log, they have gone down every time we've tested. It's all very individual, as Suzy and Linda point out, however, Dan, I think it's time for you to do a proper run LT test. And let us know how that goes, pretty please! John, thanks posting that pic! I love her top! It's super cute!! |
| 2012-02-12 11:15 PM in reply to: #4043625 |
Master 1841 Sendai, Japan | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING kt65 - 2012-02-12 11:10 PM SSMinnow - 2012-02-12 4:38 PM dcon - 2012-02-12 7:24 AM I have to agree on John's running zones - they look too low.   I guess he has lots of untapped potential waiting to be unleashed.  These are my estimated zones from 2010 (still using them) based on a 10k I did that year.  I've recently been guessing that these are low for me and I'm a couple age groups up. edit: the bike zones look too low too.  Does the EN plan have you doing some testing soon?  It will be interesting to see where you really are.  Why do they seem low? relative to what? I bet if you looked at Kim's you would say the same thing. I think HR numbers are incredibly individual. I just did a LT run test. My LT HR dropped 7 beats (from 168 to 161) from the August test yet my pace was :16/m faster. I consider that a good thing. The only thing I find interesting in these is there is no span in Z5. Like you, I use 5a, 5b, 5c. I couldn't tell you how they figure into anything however. I never see go out and run 10' Z5b, instead I see VO2 workouts that somehow must take that into consideration. I'm assuming EN has a reason for the way they do things too. Right John or Dino? Yes, John's run zones are very close to mine. We are twins like that. Mine are lower than what's in my training log, they have gone down every time we've tested. It's all very individual, as Suzy and Linda point out, however, Dan, I think it's time for you to do a proper run LT test. And let us know how that goes, pretty please! John, thanks posting that pic! I love her top! It's super cute!!
Suzy, Linda, Kim: You are, of course, correct. There is a lot of variance within any given age group and HR is very individual. I know that and I've heard it over and over again. However, it seems like people's logs always show numbers higher than mine and I guess I was surprised to see someone younger with numbers almost identical to mine. HR also does decline with age so that could be a factor in the lower numbers you are seeing Kim: yes, one of these days I will get around to trying a run LT test and a bike LT test - maybe the bike at the beginning of March and the run at the beginning of April. |
| 2012-02-13 6:50 AM in reply to: #3942845 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING We're back in tha land of frozen after another crazy day of flights yesterday. Today it's grocery shopping, seeing my 88 year old mom and then heading to the pool for the first time in quite a while. Still carrying the internal (and external) glow of Kauai though! My questionis "who besides me was psyched about Lance's performance?". After watching a video or two, I think he has upside in T2 just like me. Can't believe he sat down to put on his socks and shoes! I think he is going to add some major focus on triathlon this year. Woo-Hoo--go LA!
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| 2012-02-13 6:50 AM in reply to: #3942845 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING |
| 2012-02-13 8:26 AM in reply to: #3942845 |
Champion 6973 marietta | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING almost every hotel on galveston island is sold out for march 31st. only thing going on that weekend is lone star. i think this puts to bed any question whatsoever of lances impact on our sport. edit.. i'm seriously considering heading down to watch the race. that place is going to be a freakin' zoo! Edited by fattyfatfat 2012-02-13 8:27 AM |
| 2012-02-13 8:39 AM in reply to: #4044129 |
Master 2501 | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING I am continually in awe of Lance. Just jaw-dropping inspired by what he does. I think it's awesome. |
| 2012-02-13 8:40 AM in reply to: #4043959 |
Expert 1797 CHARLOTTESVILLE, Virginia | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING SSMinnow - 2012-02-13 6:50 AM We're back in tha land of frozen after another crazy day of flights yesterday. Today it's grocery shopping, seeing my 88 year old mom and then heading to the pool for the first time in quite a while. Still carrying the internal (and external) glow of Kauai though! My questionis "who besides me was psyched about Lance's performance?". After watching a video or two, I think he has upside in T2 just like me. Can't believe he sat down to put on his socks and shoes! I think he is going to add some major focus on triathlon this year. Woo-Hoo--go LA!
I was. I love watching amazing athletes. Tony and I followed the live blog updates all morning. I wish we could have seen the run. I also checked out his tweets before and after the race. They are always so funny. So he's doing Lonestar? It will be interesting to see what he does to that bike course. It was sooooo flat. Even the wind wasn't that bad. John - you do need to go and be our on location MG reporter. :-) |
| 2012-02-13 8:50 AM in reply to: #3942845 |
Elite 3395 Raleigh | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING I was very impressed by his showing. There are some good clips of him during the run on the Interwebs Sam. He has a schedule of events for the year and will do IM France this year. In a video interview on ST, George Hincapie talked about Lance and triathlon and said he was a freak of an athlete. Also said he would not do one. Besides cycling tennis is his other sport. |
| 2012-02-13 9:45 AM in reply to: #4043479 |
Master 1372 Tosa, WI | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING SSMinnow - 2012-02-12 6:38 PM I'm assuming EN has a reason for the way they do things too. Right John or Dino? I cannot answer for Skinny because I have never used EN's heart rate zones. I am addicted to my Powermeter on the bike for training zones and my run zones are set by pace not by HR ..... when I do actually run! However, I know my HR has dropped every year when training in my respective zones. Increased Age, a better base, a lower resting HR, I don't know and don't usually worry about it until Cross Season when my HR gets pegged for 40 minutes straight during a race and I am worrying about it actually popping out of my chest. Welcome back Minnow!!! |
| 2012-02-13 10:02 AM in reply to: #4044129 |
Master 1497 Maryland | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING fattyfatfat - 2012-02-13 9:26 AM almost every hotel on galveston island is sold out for march 31st. only thing going on that weekend is lone star. i think this puts to bed any question whatsoever of lances impact on our sport. edit.. i'm seriously considering heading down to watch the race. that place is going to be a freakin' zoo!
I hope you can go, gotta love the inspiration of Lance Armstrong!! |
| 2012-02-13 11:17 AM in reply to: #3942845 |
Elite 3072 san francisco | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING Lance is okay  , but i really miss George. George, wherever you are, hope you are well!!! |
| 2012-02-13 11:22 AM in reply to: #4044612 |
Champion 6973 marietta | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING kt65 - 2012-02-13 12:17 PM Lance is okay , but i really miss George. George, wherever you are, hope you are well!!!wait.. do you think george is lance? |
| 2012-02-13 11:27 AM in reply to: #4044621 |
Elite 3072 san francisco | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING fattyfatfat - 2012-02-13 9:22 AM George has been mistaken for Dale (and even Chet) as has Tony, often by the same people! And lets not forget Kyla as Kayla....but NOT Lance, get it right! Jayne is not Deb and vice versa, get it straight would you???kt65 - 2012-02-13 12:17 PM Lance is okay , but i really miss George. George, wherever you are, hope you are well!!!wait.. do you think george is lance? |
| 2012-02-13 11:29 AM in reply to: #4044621 |
Elite 3072 san francisco | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING fattyfatfat - 2012-02-13 9:22 AM There is something very disturbing about your new sig line. Suzy, i am afraid we may have hit a glitch in our twindom.kt65 - 2012-02-13 12:17 PM Lance is okay , but i really miss George. George, wherever you are, hope you are well!!!wait.. do you think george is lance? |
| 2012-02-13 11:35 AM in reply to: #4044331 |
Champion 6973 marietta | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING badgerintx - 2012-02-13 10:45 AM SSMinnow - 2012-02-12 6:38 PM I'm assuming EN has a reason for the way they do things too. Right John or Dino? I cannot answer for Skinny because I have never used EN's heart rate zones. I am addicted to my Powermeter on the bike for training zones and my run zones are set by pace not by HR ..... when I do actually run! However, I know my HR has dropped every year when training in my respective zones. Increased Age, a better base, a lower resting HR, I don't know and don't usually worry about it until Cross Season when my HR gets pegged for 40 minutes straight during a race and I am worrying about it actually popping out of my chest. Welcome back Minnow!!! damn you. i was avoiding this... me speaking on behalf of en.. you're loving this, aren't you. yeah they have a reason which i don't think is any different than other reasoning for training by hr, workouts based on work. work is captured in the form of hr. testing so far has been similar to what i've done in the past, all field tests. my zones have have lowered a bit (+/- 7 bpm) but more importantly my efficiency in the form of speed / work has increased a ton. my analysis is not just ball park annual test, foreign indicators such as temporal nature are taken into account. heaven knows i need to kinda figure out wtf i'm doing before early november.
next up... lets try some gu roctane. |
| 2012-02-13 11:39 AM in reply to: #4044653 |
Elite 3072 san francisco | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING fattyfatfat - 2012-02-13 9:35 AM I have a 24 pack of vanilla orange that I bet the Cochran's wouldn't miss, shall i sneak it over to Marietta? It would make their box a whole lot lighter!badgerintx - 2012-02-13 10:45 AM SSMinnow - 2012-02-12 6:38 PM I'm assuming EN has a reason for the way they do things too. Right John or Dino? I cannot answer for Skinny because I have never used EN's heart rate zones. I am addicted to my Powermeter on the bike for training zones and my run zones are set by pace not by HR ..... when I do actually run! However, I know my HR has dropped every year when training in my respective zones. Increased Age, a better base, a lower resting HR, I don't know and don't usually worry about it until Cross Season when my HR gets pegged for 40 minutes straight during a race and I am worrying about it actually popping out of my chest. Welcome back Minnow!!! damn you. i was avoiding this... me speaking on behalf of en.. you're loving this, aren't you. yeah they have a reason which i don't think is any different than other reasoning for training by hr, workouts based on work. work is captured in the form of hr. testing so far has been similar to what i've done in the past, all field tests. my zones have have lowered a bit (+/- 7 bpm) but more importantly my efficiency in the form of speed / work has increased a ton. my analysis is not just ball park annual test, foreign indicators such as temporal nature are taken into account. heaven knows i need to kinda figure out wtf i'm doing before early november.
next up... lets try some gu roctane. |
| 2012-02-13 11:43 AM in reply to: #4044632 |
Champion 6973 marietta | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING kt65 - 2012-02-13 12:29 PM fattyfatfat - 2012-02-13 9:22 AM There is something very disturbing about your new sig line. Suzy, i am afraid we may have hit a glitch in our twindom.kt65 - 2012-02-13 12:17 PM Lance is okay , but i really miss George. George, wherever you are, hope you are well!!!wait.. do you think george is lance? ha! right after i got that from her via email, kyla sends a text from the soccer game.. you know teh one she was drinking at!!!! both of these happened while linda was in my kitchen talking to jarrett. i was so confused on what i needed to do first. |
| 2012-02-13 11:43 AM in reply to: #4044667 |
Champion 6973 marietta | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING kt65 - 2012-02-13 12:39 PM fattyfatfat - 2012-02-13 9:35 AM I have a 24 pack of vanilla orange that I bet the Cochran's wouldn't miss, shall i sneak it over to Marietta? It would make their box a whole lot lighter!badgerintx - 2012-02-13 10:45 AM SSMinnow - 2012-02-12 6:38 PM I'm assuming EN has a reason for the way they do things too. Right John or Dino? I cannot answer for Skinny because I have never used EN's heart rate zones. I am addicted to my Powermeter on the bike for training zones and my run zones are set by pace not by HR ..... when I do actually run! However, I know my HR has dropped every year when training in my respective zones. Increased Age, a better base, a lower resting HR, I don't know and don't usually worry about it until Cross Season when my HR gets pegged for 40 minutes straight during a race and I am worrying about it actually popping out of my chest. Welcome back Minnow!!! damn you. i was avoiding this... me speaking on behalf of en.. you're loving this, aren't you. yeah they have a reason which i don't think is any different than other reasoning for training by hr, workouts based on work. work is captured in the form of hr. testing so far has been similar to what i've done in the past, all field tests. my zones have have lowered a bit (+/- 7 bpm) but more importantly my efficiency in the form of speed / work has increased a ton. my analysis is not just ball park annual test, foreign indicators such as temporal nature are taken into account. heaven knows i need to kinda figure out wtf i'm doing before early november.
next up... lets try some gu roctane. YES! thanks. oh canada! |
| 2012-02-13 11:54 AM in reply to: #4044653 |
Master 1372 Tosa, WI | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING fattyfatfat - 2012-02-13 11:35 AM damn you. i was avoiding this... me speaking on behalf of en EN.. you're loving this, aren't you. No Gloating here, just happy you found something that works for you and the family. I know that it has and continues to work for me.
Wait ...... for ....... it: Now, after you kick some A$$ at IM-FL with a good swim, followed by a Solid Bike, completed with a Spectacular Run, then and only then will I do some bragging on ya! |
| 2012-02-13 11:57 AM in reply to: #4044710 |
Champion 6973 marietta | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING badgerintx - 2012-02-13 12:54 PM fattyfatfat - 2012-02-13 11:35 AM damn you. i was avoiding this... me speaking on behalf of en EN.. you're loving this, aren't you. No Gloating here, just happy you found something that works for you and the family. I know that it has and continues to work for me.
Wait ...... for ....... it: Now, after you kick some A$$ at IM-FL with a good swim, followed by a Solid Bike, completed with a Spectacular Run, then and only then will I do some bragging on ya! right on! and funny, i've noticed at least one other mg'r mentioning EN as i've been perusing all of our logs this morning. hmmmmmm. |
| 2012-02-13 12:03 PM in reply to: #4044716 |
Master 2501 | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING George.... I was just exploring the hollow cavern that is his training log this morning. He is MIA for sure. Time to stalk him on FB. I miss him. I'm glad Kim is keeping everyone straight. John... What does the (buzzed) text I sent from soccer game have to do with anything? Gu Roctane... Steve was trying to sell me on some powedered Gu Roctane stuff yesterday. All I know is that it was purple and sweet, but not as sweet as Gingerbread Gu, which is like cookie dough on steroids. |
| 2012-02-13 12:22 PM in reply to: #4044732 |
Elite 3072 san francisco | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING kkcbelle - 2012-02-13 10:03 AM George.... I was just exploring the hollow cavern that is his training log this morning. He is MIA for sure. Time to stalk him on FB. I miss him. I'm glad Kim is keeping everyone straight. John... What does the (buzzed) text I sent from soccer game have to do with anything? Gu Roctane... Steve was trying to sell me on some powedered Gu Roctane stuff yesterday. All I know is that it was purple and sweet, but not as sweet as Gingerbread Gu, which is like cookie dough on steroids. You do realize the irony in this statement, right!!!??? I love you all! Off to do my bike, spent the morning (starting at 5:30 am! in the waiting room at the endoscopy ctr...waiting for Kathy...she's all clear, systems GO! |
| 2012-02-13 12:30 PM in reply to: #4044787 |
Master 2501 | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING kt65 - 2012-02-13 10:22 AM kkcbelle - 2012-02-13 10:03 AM George.... I was just exploring the hollow cavern that is his training log this morning. He is MIA for sure. Time to stalk him on FB. I miss him. I'm glad Kim is keeping everyone straight. John... What does the (buzzed) text I sent from soccer game have to do with anything? Gu Roctane... Steve was trying to sell me on some powedered Gu Roctane stuff yesterday. All I know is that it was purple and sweet, but not as sweet as Gingerbread Gu, which is like cookie dough on steroids. You do realize the irony in this statement, right!!!??? I love you all! Off to do my bike, spent the morning (starting at 5:30 am! in the waiting room at the endoscopy ctr...waiting for Kathy...she's all clear, systems GO! LOL! I don't know if it's residual drugs from your sickness, or you need to be training more, or what, but you have been downright punchy lately! Love it!! Great news on Kathy! Yay!! Enjoy the bike! It's all about the bike!! |
| 2012-02-13 12:43 PM in reply to: #4044809 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING kkcbelle - 2012-02-13 12:30 PM kt65 - 2012-02-13 10:22 AM kkcbelle - 2012-02-13 10:03 AM George.... I was just exploring the hollow cavern that is his training log this morning. He is MIA for sure. Time to stalk him on FB. I miss him. I'm glad Kim is keeping everyone straight. John... What does the (buzzed) text I sent from soccer game have to do with anything? Gu Roctane... Steve was trying to sell me on some powedered Gu Roctane stuff yesterday. All I know is that it was purple and sweet, but not as sweet as Gingerbread Gu, which is like cookie dough on steroids. You do realize the irony in this statement, right!!!??? I love you all! Off to do my bike, spent the morning (starting at 5:30 am! in the waiting room at the endoscopy ctr...waiting for Kathy...she's all clear, systems GO! LOL! I don't know if it's residual drugs from your sickness, or you need to be training more, or what, but you have been downright punchy lately! Love it!! Great news on Kathy! Yay!! Enjoy the bike! It's all about the bike!! Actually it's not according to LA....you bike for show and run for dough. PS. I actually did see those chickens and really thought of Fatty. I knew he would love it. Chickens doing it in the broad daylight. Lady chicken justs ruffles her feathers when it's all over like nothing happened. Edited by SSMinnow 2012-02-13 12:44 PM |
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