Hobby Lobby claiming religious freedom and the ACA (Page 8)

Yeah, i think the hospital stuff is marketing for the most part.

On Pharma, they are absolutely spending a ton of money on advertising and jacking their prices up, but it still comes down to having customers willing to pay the price.  They can have something for $10k a pill, but if the insurance/government won't pay for it then the price either has to drop or they sell so few they go out of business.

Ej - I get that.....but where does it stop and why are we paying for it?  I can't imagtine I'm different from anyone else....all I want is good care.  I don't even understand the pharma advertising deal.....do people see the adds and then go to their doctor and ask for the drugs?  That just seems crazy backwards to me.....especially in a society as over medicated as ours is.

Which is exactly what you would get, a raise. Because what they pay for you is total compensation. And what you are doing right now... is affording health care. Your health care is covered by your salary, and I assume you can pay your other bills. It was the government that tied it to employment in the first place... now they say they have to fix it... Right.

About the same time they started taking out digital billboard ads stating their ER wait times.  It's a FOR PROFIT system (realistically even for the municipal "non-profit" hospitals).  If you have the choice do you want to go to the ugly 1950s decorated hospital or the ultra-modern looking one (assuming your insurance covers both)?

Not saying it's right, but that's what driving it.

I will go where the doctor I want to see pracftices.....and I don't give a rats arse what it looks like because I want the hell out of there as soon as I can no matter what amenities it has.  These types of thigns that are driving costs through the roof, including advertising pharma should be controlled. 

I guess I'm on the side where health care is NOT a FOR PROFIT business.  I have no problem with health care professionals being paid well for their services....but the idea of huge companies making huge profits on the backs of sick and injured people is friggin' disgusting as far as I'm concerned.

Because people are stupid?

x1,000,000

Yes.. pretty much... I wasn't saying it was right.  I was saying what it was...

You guys can't have your cake and eat it to.  For profit drives investment and innovation.  Non profit drives mediocre care because there's no incentive to do anything other than maintain the norm.

The profits are over the top....no need whatsoever for the 5 star hotel treatment of hospitals, or the absolutely ridiculous amount of money spent to advertise what should be only prescribed by doctors.  I just can't get on board with the extravagance at the expense of sick and injured people.  I won't ever get there.

stop making sense. you work for me and i'll decide what you do with your body.

Yes, to Hobby Lobby there is, and the SCOTUS agreed. Because Hobby Lobby pays for it out of their pocket. They don't want to do that. What people do with their pay is a different issue and Hobby Lobby said nothing about that..... and just to interject some actual facts instead of generalized misinformation (not to you specifically)....

Fact is Hobby Lobby paid for 16 CONTRACEPTIVES for women.

They classified 4 as ABORTIFACIENTS and did not want to pay for THOSE. Obamacare MANDATED those be covered, and Hobby Lobby said no.... and the SCOTUS agreed with them.

I disagree with Corporation being given personal rights, but I do not care if Hobby Lobby objects on religious grounds and the hole riddled Obamacare lost.

explain

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/01/hobby-lobby-invests-in-em_n_5070279.html

I always love the faux hypocrite stories.

So, HL has a 401k that's ran by an external investment company that offers standard mutual funds that people can opt to purchase and some of those mutual funds invest in pharmaceutical sectors, which includes companies that manufacture birth control pills.   Yeaaahhhh, totaly the same thing.  Those Hypocrites.  

You take a case to the Supreme Court because its SO against your beliefs to allow your employees to get birth control, but you're ok with making money off of it. And the I didn't know I was doing it excuse doesn't fly here as Hobby Lobby has demonstrated that they are so concerned with this issue.

I know you really want this to help the cause, but it's just not the way 401k's work.

401k's are a tax deferred retirement savings program that a company sets up for it's employees.  The company can optionally match contributions to the 401k, but have no control over what funds the employees choose to invest in other than what investment firm they use to broker and manage the 401k.

For example, I have a 401k for my employee's that is managed by a local investment company.  Each employee has a 401k account that they log into and select which mutual funds they want to invest in and there are something like 70 different ones they can choose.  I contribute money into the accounts as matching funds and my employees and pay an annual fee for them to manage it, but that's it.  I get absolutely zero gain of any kind from a 401k as a business owner because it's not a business investment, it's an employee owned retirement account.

So, to say that hobby lobby is "making money" off of employee retirement accounts is kind of silly when you put it in context.  The furthest stretch you could use and be distantly accurate would be to say Hobby Lobby employees make money off of mutual funds that invest in pharmaceutical companies that manufacture birth control.

So if the employer makes any contribution to their employee's 401k they are investing in the company on the employee's behalf. Wouldn't that also be against their beliefs in the same vein that the court case was?