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2010-04-29 1:43 PM
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Subject: RE: Arizona
Any racial profiling that may exist would exist with or without this law.



2010-04-29 1:50 PM
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Everyone who is getting their panties in a wad about this just remember how the increased security after 9-11 was going to cause TSA to "racially profile" all Arabs.  Last time I checked that turned out to be a real non-event.
2010-04-29 2:04 PM
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2010-04-29 2:08 PM
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Subject: RE: Arizona
AcesFull - 2010-04-29 3:04 PM

MNGopher - 2010-04-29 10:45 AM

I want to clarify something.  This whole debate about if the cops can stop you for suspicion of being an illegal alien or do they have to stop you for something else first and then, and only then, can they inquire about your status is entirely academic.  In the real world you cannot travel any distance in a car without somehow breaking a law.  There are simply too many laws to comply with all of them.  Think about it, speeding, failure to yield, reckless driving, suspicion of DUI, failure to maintain your lane, failure to signal properly (did you signal the required number of feet before you turned or changed lanes), equipment failure on your car (are your windows tinted too much, are your lights working), failure to look before merging and the list goes on.  If a cop wanted to pull you over they could.  Most of the time they look for meaningful things to stop you for, but if they want to stop you, they can find something to pull you over for that would serve to justify checking your status.  So to say everything is alright because all you have to do is follow the laws and there will be no lawful contact is deluding yourself.  This law allows regular cops to pull people over for being dark skinned.  Now maybe no one else minds that cops could pull people over for the color of their skin, but I mind.  Even if they can easily prove that they are legally allowed to be in the country, it is still a waste of their time and even on that basis alone it's not fair.  I don't want to worry about being pulled over three times between the house and the grocery store because I get dark tans because I workout outdoors all summer.

I used to play poker every Saturday night, generally leaving at 3:00 am or so.  In three years I was pulled over no less than 12 times.  Each time the officer would point out that I had changed lanes without signalling, or rolled through a stop sign.  Every time I would be asked if I'd been drinking, and would have my license run.  I never drank when I played cards and never once got a ticket.  The stop was a pretense, and I got to telling the cop that I totally understood that he was looking for drunks, that I hadn't been drinking, and that I got pulled over all the time because of when I was driving home.  Sometimes, they wouldn't even bother with the formality of running my license, they'd just laugh and send me on my way. 

Point is, "reasonable suspicion" is REALLY easy to come up with. 



So you are saying you were racially profiled? 

FWIW, I agree with you.  "Reasonable Suspicion" is easy to come up with from the officer's perspective.  Fortunately, whoever wrote this bill was smart enough to specify that race better not be that reasonable suspicion.  Also, remember, it's not what the police officer deems reasonable, it's the legal interpretation that matters.

My biggest problem with this thread is people playing the race card.  If people were complaining about "reasonable suspicion" you would have heard a whole other argument out of me.
2010-04-29 2:11 PM
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Subject: RE: Arizona
mr2tony - 2010-04-29 12:28 PM
CBarnes - 2010-04-29 1:25 PM
MNGopher - 2010-04-29 10:45 AM

I want to clarify something.  This whole debate about if the cops can stop you for suspicion of being an illegal alien or do they have to stop you for something else first and then, and only then, can they inquire about your status is entirely academic.  In the real world you cannot travel any distance in a car without somehow breaking a law.  There are simply too many laws to comply with all of them.  Think about it, speeding, failure to yield, reckless driving, suspicion of DUI, failure to maintain your lane, failure to signal properly (did you signal the required number of feet before you turned or changed lanes), equipment failure on your car (are your windows tinted too much, are your lights working), failure to look before merging and the list goes on.  If a cop wanted to pull you over they could.  Most of the time they look for meaningful things to stop you for, but if they want to stop you, they can find something to pull you over for that would serve to justify checking your status.  So to say everything is alright because all you have to do is follow the laws and there will be no lawful contact is deluding yourself.  This law allows regular cops to pull people over for being dark skinned.  Now maybe no one else minds that cops could pull people over for the color of their skin, but I mind.  Even if they can easily prove that they are legally allowed to be in the country, it is still a waste of their time and even on that basis alone it's not fair.  I don't want to worry about being pulled over three times between the house and the grocery store because I get dark tans because I workout outdoors all summer.



Please show me the section of the law that allows this.  I cannot seem to find it  I do find the section that says complaints based principally on race or ethnicity are not acceptable.  I also find the section that refers to Law enforcement must make Lawful contact and have reasonable suspicion. But I don't think that is what you are referring to so please sow me the section authorizing the pulling over of DARK SKINNED people.  If you need help here is a link to the actual law.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.pdf
Are you saying that racial profiling never happens because it's not in the law books?


Are you saying it is not in this law?
2010-04-29 2:20 PM
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Subject: RE: Arizona
ballyard7 - 2010-04-29 1:09 PM

in2deep - 2010-04-26 6:33 PM In that case who cares if all you have to do is show you license. Cop: hey I stopped you because I thought you were here illegally. Me: here is my license Cop: have a nice day people are worried about being stopped for the suspicion of being illegal. To that I say so what stop me all day long if you like. Any harrassment that might go on beyond that could happen with or without this law.

Exactly!! I think they should alow the cops to drive down the streets and ask anyone they see for their papers or liscense.  If you are here legally then you should have nothing to worry about.  Here in Oklahoma they set up road blocks all the time that they make you stop and show your license and insurance.  This is for drunk driver reason as well as making sure everyone is DRIVING legally (proof of insurance).  We have had a rash of people killed in car crashes by illegal aliens who don't have a license or insurance.  Obviously because they are illegal.  If it saves one american CITIZEN'S life I say stop everyone and check everyone!



Wow. Really?

I honestly didn't know people actually thought like this. That truly truly amazes me.

To each their own I guess. Actually it's somewhat amusing. People rail that we're getting to be too close to a socialist country, yet they promote police-state tactics used in Soviet Russia.

I should be able to walk down the street, as long as I'm not doing anything illegal, and NOT have the cops stop me. Because that's, to me, the very definition of a free country.


2010-04-29 2:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Arizona
mr2tony - 2010-04-29 3:20 PM
ballyard7 - 2010-04-29 1:09 PM

in2deep - 2010-04-26 6:33 PM In that case who cares if all you have to do is show you license. Cop: hey I stopped you because I thought you were here illegally. Me: here is my license Cop: have a nice day people are worried about being stopped for the suspicion of being illegal. To that I say so what stop me all day long if you like. Any harrassment that might go on beyond that could happen with or without this law.

Exactly!! I think they should alow the cops to drive down the streets and ask anyone they see for their papers or liscense.  If you are here legally then you should have nothing to worry about.  Here in Oklahoma they set up road blocks all the time that they make you stop and show your license and insurance.  This is for drunk driver reason as well as making sure everyone is DRIVING legally (proof of insurance).  We have had a rash of people killed in car crashes by illegal aliens who don't have a license or insurance.  Obviously because they are illegal.  If it saves one american CITIZEN'S life I say stop everyone and check everyone!

Wow. Really? I honestly didn't know people actually thought like this. That truly truly amazes me. To each their own I guess. Actually it's somewhat amusing. People rail that we're getting to be too close to a socialist country, yet they promote police-state tactics used in Soviet Russia. I should be able to walk down the street, as long as I'm not doing anything illegal, and NOT have the cops stop me. Because that's, to me, the very definition of a free country.


..and sir, I agree with you 100%.
2010-04-29 2:29 PM
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Subject: RE: Arizona

mr2tony - 2010-04-29 12:20 PM
ballyard7 - 2010-04-29 1:09 PM

in2deep - 2010-04-26 6:33 PM In that case who cares if all you have to do is show you license. Cop: hey I stopped you because I thought you were here illegally. Me: here is my license Cop: have a nice day people are worried about being stopped for the suspicion of being illegal. To that I say so what stop me all day long if you like. Any harrassment that might go on beyond that could happen with or without this law.

Exactly!! I think they should alow the cops to drive down the streets and ask anyone they see for their papers or liscense.  If you are here legally then you should have nothing to worry about.  Here in Oklahoma they set up road blocks all the time that they make you stop and show your license and insurance.  This is for drunk driver reason as well as making sure everyone is DRIVING legally (proof of insurance).  We have had a rash of people killed in car crashes by illegal aliens who don't have a license or insurance.  Obviously because they are illegal.  If it saves one american CITIZEN'S life I say stop everyone and check everyone!

Wow. Really? I honestly didn't know people actually thought like this. That truly truly amazes me. To each their own I guess. Actually it's somewhat amusing. People rail that we're getting to be too close to a socialist country, yet they promote police-state tactics used in Soviet Russia. I should be able to walk down the street, as long as I'm not doing anything illegal, and NOT have the cops stop me. Because that's, to me, the very definition of a free country.

Agreed!

I want the police to protect me from those breaking the law, NOT from the ability to make a choice and NOT to protect me from myself, or my own poor decisions.

2010-04-29 2:34 PM
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Subject: RE: Arizona
crusevegas - 2010-04-29 2:29 PM

mr2tony - 2010-04-29 12:20 PM
ballyard7 - 2010-04-29 1:09 PM

in2deep - 2010-04-26 6:33 PM In that case who cares if all you have to do is show you license. Cop: hey I stopped you because I thought you were here illegally. Me: here is my license Cop: have a nice day people are worried about being stopped for the suspicion of being illegal. To that I say so what stop me all day long if you like. Any harrassment that might go on beyond that could happen with or without this law.

Exactly!! I think they should alow the cops to drive down the streets and ask anyone they see for their papers or liscense.  If you are here legally then you should have nothing to worry about.  Here in Oklahoma they set up road blocks all the time that they make you stop and show your license and insurance.  This is for drunk driver reason as well as making sure everyone is DRIVING legally (proof of insurance).  We have had a rash of people killed in car crashes by illegal aliens who don't have a license or insurance.  Obviously because they are illegal.  If it saves one american CITIZEN'S life I say stop everyone and check everyone!

Wow. Really? I honestly didn't know people actually thought like this. That truly truly amazes me. To each their own I guess. Actually it's somewhat amusing. People rail that we're getting to be too close to a socialist country, yet they promote police-state tactics used in Soviet Russia. I should be able to walk down the street, as long as I'm not doing anything illegal, and NOT have the cops stop me. Because that's, to me, the very definition of a free country.

Agreed!

I want the police to protect me from those breaking the law, NOT from the ability to make a choice and NOT to protect me from myself, or my own poor decisions.



Agreed!!!

Oh while we may not see eye to eye on the Arizona thing, I definitely agree with you that government regulation is out of control. And to me, adding laws instead of enforcing the ones on the books is a problem we have in this country.
2010-04-29 2:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Arizona
crusevegas - 2010-04-29 2:29 PM

mr2tony - 2010-04-29 12:20 PM
ballyard7 - 2010-04-29 1:09 PM

in2deep - 2010-04-26 6:33 PM In that case who cares if all you have to do is show you license. Cop: hey I stopped you because I thought you were here illegally. Me: here is my license Cop: have a nice day people are worried about being stopped for the suspicion of being illegal. To that I say so what stop me all day long if you like. Any harrassment that might go on beyond that could happen with or without this law.

Exactly!! I think they should alow the cops to drive down the streets and ask anyone they see for their papers or liscense.  If you are here legally then you should have nothing to worry about.  Here in Oklahoma they set up road blocks all the time that they make you stop and show your license and insurance.  This is for drunk driver reason as well as making sure everyone is DRIVING legally (proof of insurance).  We have had a rash of people killed in car crashes by illegal aliens who don't have a license or insurance.  Obviously because they are illegal.  If it saves one american CITIZEN'S life I say stop everyone and check everyone!

Wow. Really? I honestly didn't know people actually thought like this. That truly truly amazes me. To each their own I guess. Actually it's somewhat amusing. People rail that we're getting to be too close to a socialist country, yet they promote police-state tactics used in Soviet Russia. I should be able to walk down the street, as long as I'm not doing anything illegal, and NOT have the cops stop me. Because that's, to me, the very definition of a free country.

Agreed!

I want the police to protect me from those breaking the law, NOT from the ability to make a choice and NOT to protect me from myself, or my own poor decisions.


The Soviets passed restrictive laws to prevent or to limit the freedom of Soviet Citizens to move about freely.  This law is totally and completely directed at Non US Citizens.  I really believe the racial inferences are off base.  Illegal immigration is a huge problem and up to this point the U.S. Government has refused to address it, they have not failed they have not tried.  I am a firm believer in increased immigration I believe we need to grant more visas to Mexicans who want to come to the U.S. to work and I am working on a proposal to send to my Congressman addressing immigration controls and a plan to treat the millions of illegals currently in the United States fairly without granting a direct path to citizenship.

2010-04-29 3:06 PM
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Subject: RE: Arizona
mr2tony - 2010-04-29 12:34 PM
crusevegas - 2010-04-29 2:29 PM

mr2tony - 2010-04-29 12:20 PM
ballyard7 - 2010-04-29 1:09 PM

in2deep - 2010-04-26 6:33 PM In that case who cares if all you have to do is show you license. Cop: hey I stopped you because I thought you were here illegally. Me: here is my license Cop: have a nice day people are worried about being stopped for the suspicion of being illegal. To that I say so what stop me all day long if you like. Any harrassment that might go on beyond that could happen with or without this law.

Exactly!! I think they should alow the cops to drive down the streets and ask anyone they see for their papers or liscense.  If you are here legally then you should have nothing to worry about.  Here in Oklahoma they set up road blocks all the time that they make you stop and show your license and insurance.  This is for drunk driver reason as well as making sure everyone is DRIVING legally (proof of insurance).  We have had a rash of people killed in car crashes by illegal aliens who don't have a license or insurance.  Obviously because they are illegal.  If it saves one american CITIZEN'S life I say stop everyone and check everyone!

Wow. Really? I honestly didn't know people actually thought like this. That truly truly amazes me. To each their own I guess. Actually it's somewhat amusing. People rail that we're getting to be too close to a socialist country, yet they promote police-state tactics used in Soviet Russia. I should be able to walk down the street, as long as I'm not doing anything illegal, and NOT have the cops stop me. Because that's, to me, the very definition of a free country.

Agreed!

I want the police to protect me from those breaking the law, NOT from the ability to make a choice and NOT to protect me from myself, or my own poor decisions.

Agreed!!! Oh while we may not see eye to eye on the Arizona thing, I definitely agree with you that government regulation is out of control. And to me, adding laws instead of enforcing the ones on the books is a problem we have in this country.


As I understand it that is basically what this does. It is just enforcing the federal laws that are already on the books at a state Level because the Federal Government is not doing it and Arizona has reached the end of its rope, so to say. If the federal government did what the law was requiring of it Arizona would never have had to do this.

Also if you think about this in a practical sort of way, there are not enough police in Arizona to be continuously asking/stopping/pulling over every person they see which might give them reasonable suspicion. Instead I see this as the officers will go about their jobs like normal and if in the normal course of their day they encounter someone whom they feel might be illegal, they ask for ID. I do not know about you but every time I have spoken with the police they ask for my ID whether it was as a victim, a moving vehicle violation, or the time when they checked my house because they were searching for someone with a warrent out who used to live at the address where I am now...


2010-04-29 3:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Arizona
CBarnes - 2010-04-29 2:45 PM

crusevegas - 2010-04-29 2:29 PM

mr2tony - 2010-04-29 12:20 PM
ballyard7 - 2010-04-29 1:09 PM

in2deep - 2010-04-26 6:33 PM In that case who cares if all you have to do is show you license. Cop: hey I stopped you because I thought you were here illegally. Me: here is my license Cop: have a nice day people are worried about being stopped for the suspicion of being illegal. To that I say so what stop me all day long if you like. Any harrassment that might go on beyond that could happen with or without this law.

Exactly!! I think they should alow the cops to drive down the streets and ask anyone they see for their papers or liscense.  If you are here legally then you should have nothing to worry about.  Here in Oklahoma they set up road blocks all the time that they make you stop and show your license and insurance.  This is for drunk driver reason as well as making sure everyone is DRIVING legally (proof of insurance).  We have had a rash of people killed in car crashes by illegal aliens who don't have a license or insurance.  Obviously because they are illegal.  If it saves one american CITIZEN'S life I say stop everyone and check everyone!

Wow. Really? I honestly didn't know people actually thought like this. That truly truly amazes me. To each their own I guess. Actually it's somewhat amusing. People rail that we're getting to be too close to a socialist country, yet they promote police-state tactics used in Soviet Russia. I should be able to walk down the street, as long as I'm not doing anything illegal, and NOT have the cops stop me. Because that's, to me, the very definition of a free country.

Agreed!

I want the police to protect me from those breaking the law, NOT from the ability to make a choice and NOT to protect me from myself, or my own poor decisions.


The Soviets passed restrictive laws to prevent or to limit the freedom of Soviet Citizens to move about freely.  This law is totally and completely directed at Non US Citizens.  I really believe the racial inferences are off base.  Illegal immigration is a huge problem and up to this point the U.S. Government has refused to address it, they have not failed they have not tried.  I am a firm believer in increased immigration I believe we need to grant more visas to Mexicans who want to come to the U.S. to work and I am working on a proposal to send to my Congressman addressing immigration controls and a plan to treat the millions of illegals currently in the United States fairly without granting a direct path to citizenship.



I'll quote the post to which I was responding:

Exactly!! I think they should alow the cops to drive down the streets and ask anyone they see for their papers or liscense. If you are here legally then you should have nothing to worry about.
2010-04-29 3:41 PM
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Subject: RE: Arizona
mr2tony - 2010-04-29 1:34 PM
crusevegas - 2010-04-29 2:29 PM

mr2tony - 2010-04-29 12:20 PM
ballyard7 - 2010-04-29 1:09 PM

in2deep - 2010-04-26 6:33 PM In that case who cares if all you have to do is show you license. Cop: hey I stopped you because I thought you were here illegally. Me: here is my license Cop: have a nice day people are worried about being stopped for the suspicion of being illegal. To that I say so what stop me all day long if you like. Any harrassment that might go on beyond that could happen with or without this law.

Exactly!! I think they should alow the cops to drive down the streets and ask anyone they see for their papers or liscense.  If you are here legally then you should have nothing to worry about.  Here in Oklahoma they set up road blocks all the time that they make you stop and show your license and insurance.  This is for drunk driver reason as well as making sure everyone is DRIVING legally (proof of insurance).  We have had a rash of people killed in car crashes by illegal aliens who don't have a license or insurance.  Obviously because they are illegal.  If it saves one american CITIZEN'S life I say stop everyone and check everyone!

Wow. Really? I honestly didn't know people actually thought like this. That truly truly amazes me. To each their own I guess. Actually it's somewhat amusing. People rail that we're getting to be too close to a socialist country, yet they promote police-state tactics used in Soviet Russia. I should be able to walk down the street, as long as I'm not doing anything illegal, and NOT have the cops stop me. Because that's, to me, the very definition of a free country.

Agreed!

I want the police to protect me from those breaking the law, NOT from the ability to make a choice and NOT to protect me from myself, or my own poor decisions.

Agreed!!! Oh while we may not see eye to eye on the Arizona thing, I definitely agree with you that government regulation is out of control. And to me, adding laws instead of enforcing the ones on the books is a problem we have in this country.


Exactly.  and if the Feds were doing their job this entire conversation would not have started.
2010-04-29 3:41 PM
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Subject: RE: Arizona
rayd - 2010-04-29 3:41 PM

mr2tony - 2010-04-29 1:34 PM
crusevegas - 2010-04-29 2:29 PM

mr2tony - 2010-04-29 12:20 PM
ballyard7 - 2010-04-29 1:09 PM

in2deep - 2010-04-26 6:33 PM In that case who cares if all you have to do is show you license. Cop: hey I stopped you because I thought you were here illegally. Me: here is my license Cop: have a nice day people are worried about being stopped for the suspicion of being illegal. To that I say so what stop me all day long if you like. Any harrassment that might go on beyond that could happen with or without this law.

Exactly!! I think they should alow the cops to drive down the streets and ask anyone they see for their papers or liscense.  If you are here legally then you should have nothing to worry about.  Here in Oklahoma they set up road blocks all the time that they make you stop and show your license and insurance.  This is for drunk driver reason as well as making sure everyone is DRIVING legally (proof of insurance).  We have had a rash of people killed in car crashes by illegal aliens who don't have a license or insurance.  Obviously because they are illegal.  If it saves one american CITIZEN'S life I say stop everyone and check everyone!

Wow. Really? I honestly didn't know people actually thought like this. That truly truly amazes me. To each their own I guess. Actually it's somewhat amusing. People rail that we're getting to be too close to a socialist country, yet they promote police-state tactics used in Soviet Russia. I should be able to walk down the street, as long as I'm not doing anything illegal, and NOT have the cops stop me. Because that's, to me, the very definition of a free country.

Agreed!

I want the police to protect me from those breaking the law, NOT from the ability to make a choice and NOT to protect me from myself, or my own poor decisions.

Agreed!!! Oh while we may not see eye to eye on the Arizona thing, I definitely agree with you that government regulation is out of control. And to me, adding laws instead of enforcing the ones on the books is a problem we have in this country.


Exactly.  and if the Feds were doing their job this entire conversation would not have started.


Again. I agree.
2010-04-29 3:58 PM
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Subject: RE: Arizona

AcesFull - 2010-04-29 3:04 PM

MNGopher - 2010-04-29 10:45 AM

I want to clarify something.  This whole debate about if the cops can stop you for suspicion of being an illegal alien or do they have to stop you for something else first and then, and only then, can they inquire about your status is entirely academic.  In the real world you cannot travel any distance in a car without somehow breaking a law.  There are simply too many laws to comply with all of them.  Think about it, speeding, failure to yield, reckless driving, suspicion of DUI, failure to maintain your lane, failure to signal properly (did you signal the required number of feet before you turned or changed lanes), equipment failure on your car (are your windows tinted too much, are your lights working), failure to look before merging and the list goes on.  If a cop wanted to pull you over they could.  Most of the time they look for meaningful things to stop you for, but if they want to stop you, they can find something to pull you over for that would serve to justify checking your status.  So to say everything is alright because all you have to do is follow the laws and there will be no lawful contact is deluding yourself.  This law allows regular cops to pull people over for being dark skinned.  Now maybe no one else minds that cops could pull people over for the color of their skin, but I mind.  Even if they can easily prove that they are legally allowed to be in the country, it is still a waste of their time and even on that basis alone it's not fair.  I don't want to worry about being pulled over three times between the house and the grocery store because I get dark tans because I workout outdoors all summer.

I used to play poker every Saturday night, generally leaving at 3:00 am or so.  In three years I was pulled over no less than 12 times.  Each time the officer would point out that I had changed lanes without signalling, or rolled through a stop sign.  Every time I would be asked if I'd been drinking, and would have my license run.  I never drank when I played cards and never once got a ticket.  The stop was a pretense, and I got to telling the cop that I totally understood that he was looking for drunks, that I hadn't been drinking, and that I got pulled over all the time because of when I was driving home.  Sometimes, they wouldn't even bother with the formality of running my license, they'd just laugh and send me on my way. 

Point is, "reasonable suspicion" is REALLY easy to come up with. 

Did you actually change lanes without signalling or roll a stop sign?  If so the stop was lawful.  They may have done it in the hopes of finding something else (pre-textual as you say).  But that doesn't change the fact that the stop was totally lawful.  Pre-textual stops used to be an issue, and the Supreme Court put that to rest in the Wren decision.  The basic concept is that if the stop was lawful it doesn't matter if the stop was pre-textual to find something else.

Remember if you rolled a stop or failed to signal it is a lawful stop. 

2010-04-29 4:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Arizona
wow... missed this one today..
 
but don't worry I've solved the entire problem

Giant windmills at the border !!!   anyone tries to cross and the get cut to ribbons ... extra bonus,, lots of electric power for the rest of us.


2010-04-29 11:00 PM
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Oh yeah, and the quoting is ridiculous in this thread.

Edited by in2deep 2010-04-29 11:08 PM
2010-04-30 2:50 PM
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Subject: RE: Arizona
Looks like AZ has narrowed some of the parts of the bill, to respond to criticism. With these changes, it sounds pretty reasonable to me.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-arizona-immigration-20100501,0,2712336.story

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