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 2005-07-12 4:25 PM in reply to: #196426 |
Champion  5183    Wisconsin |  Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's?cerveloP3 - 2005-07-12 3:20 PM And the Jewish issue never came into play really until around late 1944, as Allied troops began discovering the camps and did not know what they were. My point was that the Europeans knew that the Nazis were at least rounding the Jews up, maybe they tried to overlook the fact that they were being gassed, among other things. The fact that the Nazis were exterminating the JEws was never a factor in WWII until the USA was involved. THAT was my point. um, bottom line: the fact that the extermination of Jews is still a very painful, sore wound in the history of humanity, and that at least 3 people have expressed "discomfort" with the careless playful use of the word should be enough. My Gosh. |
| 2005-07-12 4:26 PM in reply to: #196415 |
Expert 783 South Bend, IN | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? possum - 2005-07-12 5:13 PM -I am grateful for posts like these because it becomes obvious to me of which people I should steer clear. It's much easier to know who is anti woman anti gay anti American (America as melting pot, land of opportunity, home of the free, etc....) right up front than to be blindsided. wow. Based on these posts, I don't think you can make that assumption. |
| 2005-07-12 4:28 PM in reply to: #196138 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? TripleThreat - 2005-07-12 12:40 PM Wouldn't it make more sense to have "Beginner's Triathlons",rather than "women only". I say this, b/c the "beginner-focused triathlon" is a suggestion I made elsewhere awhile ago. Seems like a great idea. It would also go a ways at elimiinating the animosity some "faster folks" have towards over-crowding, blocking, etc in races. I AGREE! That’s exactly what I am seeking to accomplish with my new Dash & Bash Sprint Race: To promote the sport among newbies regardless of their gender. Plus, to create a fun venue for athletes to meet & socialize. BTW from the total registrations so far 65%, women and 35% men...That throw away many arguments presented on this thread… |
| 2005-07-12 4:29 PM in reply to: #196424 |
Elite Veteran 1817 Cedar Rapids, Iowa | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? ChrisM - 2005-07-12 4:19 PM To try to bring this thread back on topic but for a brief moment,........ Don't bother Chris - I tried - they'd rather rumble. |
| 2005-07-12 4:30 PM in reply to: #196431 |
Pro 5153 Helena, MT | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? BTW, I would just like to announce that I am NOT a feminazi, feminoying or feminotnice. I'm femignarly. |
| 2005-07-12 4:30 PM in reply to: #196430 |
Champion 5183 Wisconsin | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? cerveloP3 - 2005-07-12 3:45 PM Stalin made Hitler look like an amateur, but he does not get the response taht the nazi equation does. So while you praddle on about your supposed history lesson, let me make it clear that teh Nazis were harassing Jews long before 1939, and the rest of Europe knew all about it and did not do a thing. So since Europe did nothing about the Jew persecution, it's ok to use a term people find offensive NOW? why are you so attached to this? Oh... that was in 1917, and would be about Lenin and Trotsky more than Stalin. Stalin was exterminating his own people on a scale of at least 5 times more than Hitler, and at the same time. The point being, other than you, most people take such offense at the term "Nazi," but not communist, and while both travesties, Stalin- and lets not forget our good buddy Mao- both communists, killed untold tens of millions of their own people with nary a word on our end. Actually, I know plenty of card carrying communists. And they would not, nor would I, take offense at such a term, even though it would likely be spat with the same kind of venom that the word nazi evokes as used by some. See, being a communist does not equal Stalin, Mao, Lenin, even Castro's interpretation of "communism." I don;t believe extermination is a part of the economic system called communism. |
| 2005-07-12 4:31 PM in reply to: #195744 |
Champion 5495 Whizzzzzlandia Silver member | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? Me me me me me me me!!! Boys in spandex on bikes (at least part of the time on bikes...) Sounds like a nearly perfect set up to me!!! PS... TRYING to talk my husband into buying some cycling shorts... then I'll just sit behind him and draft.... Whizzzzzz |
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Heaven. | 2005-07-12 4:32 PM in reply to: #196425 |
Expert 783 South Bend, IN | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? run4yrlif - 2005-07-12 5:19 PM cerveloP3 - 2005-07-12 3:34 PM the bear - 2005-07-12 3:41 PM My point was that people use it, a la Rush Limbaugh, in things like "Femi Nazi" to elicit a prescribed response. He/they knows it gets people's blood going... Ahhhh...the Rush Limbaugh defense! I was wondering how long it would be until it was invoked. So if the tactict is to combine (and therfore associate) the group you wish to deride with a group that is universally despised to "illicit a response," then how would you feel about being labeled a "conserva-child molester" or "republica-pedophile"? Those make about as much sense as "femi-nazi." Elicit, not Illicit. There is a dictionary near you somewhere, hell... you are on the internet for f%^*s sake. Illicit is an adjective, while elicit is a verb. Normally, I would not even respond to this as you have no idea what in the hell you are really saying, BUT.... Sure, many times you could put two things together like "Femi-Nazi" to ELICIT a response. The Republica-peodphile is a little stretch, as I really feel that Michael Jackson is more along the Jerry Brown Democrat line than the George Bush/Karl Rove Republican slant. Tears are actually running down my cheek, I am laughing so hard. That was genius. |
| 2005-07-12 4:32 PM in reply to: #195297 |
Master 2447 Marietta, Ga | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? Wow, this tread has run into the ditch at least a dozen times. I had no idea there was such an undercurrent around this topic. Let me try to put it back on the straight and narrow. Just for the record, and in response to those who would criticize me for asking the question the started this whole discussion, I think "Women's Only" tri's are great and have a valid place in the triathlon scene. I just wanted to hear the perspectives. So, my question was just that, simply a question. Those of you who assumed I had a hidden agenda were clearly very wrong. The reason I asked is that there is so much said about "equality" among the sexes. My initial impression was that women would want nothing to do with a single-sex event. But, after reading all the posts, and cutting through all the extraneous, tangential crap, I have learned that due to the imbalance of the ratio of men to women in the triathlon scene, the women's only tri's are a way to generate interest and offer a stepping stone for first time females into this sport. |
| 2005-07-12 4:35 PM in reply to: #195297 |
| New user 6 | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? If I could dare to swing this thread back to where it originally started, I'd like to comment on why I felt better about my first triathlon being the danskin where all the competitors are women. My fiance is a marathoner, and a naturally athletic person. Anytime I work out with him, I feel as though I am holding him back in some way. Workouts are a terribly personal thing. That is why spin classes are held in the dark, so that you can concentrate on what you need to do to be a complete athlete. So, when I decided to do a trathlon, I didn't even tell my fiance that I wanted to do it, because I knew that with his competitive nature, he would have wanted to help me "train" his way. I wanted to train my way, so that I could finish the race. In finishing, I have a new perspective on what I need to do to be better. I think that my fiance's attitude has rubbed off on me to make me feel that most athletic men feel the same way. To attempt the triathlon, I felt better doing it with people who understood that I had a personal goal. I didn't need to be the fastest, or #1 in my age group, but that just finishing was an accomplishment. I do think that women are better at being supportive of even a small goal like that. I had so many people offer suggestions on the bike and there were lots of people cheering me on as I walked the run, that I truly felt like they supported my goal of finishing, even if I wasn't at their level. So many people in these types of events feel like if you can't compete with them then you don't belong, men and women, but the danskin preaches help and understanding, so women who are new to triathlon feel that it is a safe environment. I'm not saying I couldn't have found a safe environment in a co-ed race, I'm just saying that this race sells it's position as a safe place to "tri" something new, and that appeals to people who aern't in the best shape and can't do the sprint in 1:10:00 (as a friend of mine finished).I finished in 2 hours and was so proud of myself that I started to cry, and I can't wait to enter the danskin again next year. This is my story of why I enjoyed competing in the danskin. If you are a woman who has a story about why you chose to compete in a women's only tri, share it and lets try to turn this thread back around. |
| 2005-07-12 4:35 PM in reply to: #196442 |
Pro 5153 Helena, MT | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? Motivated - 2005-07-12 2:32 PM Wow, this tread has run into the ditch at least a dozen times. I had no idea there was such an undercurrent around this topic. Let me try to put it back on the straight and narrow. Just for the record, and in response to those who would criticize me for asking the question the started this whole discussion, I think "Women's Only" tri's are great and have a valid place in the triathlon scene. I just wanted to hear the perspectives. So, my question was just that, simply a question. Those of you who assumed I had a hidden agenda were clearly very wrong. I don't think anyone blames you for the turns this took. It was a perfectly valid question! I, too, was enlightened, as I never really "got it" either. |
| 2005-07-12 4:36 PM in reply to: #196428 |
Expert 783 South Bend, IN | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? kimj81 - 2005-07-12 5:23 PM cerveloP3 - 2005-07-12 2:16 PM kimj81 - 2005-07-12 4:51 PM Why can't you just use a little less loaded term? I'll help you: Feminoying, Feminoxious, Feminasty, etc.... Nazis have nothing to do with feminists and the term wasn't created to be funny, but inflammatory (I expect nothing less from dear Rush). I did not use the term. Only educating the unenlightened masses. Thanks for the excellent response. Good lawd. Someone's on his high horse today. You praised someone for using the term. I don't care if you were the first one to use it in this thread or not. Did you not catch the part where that guy apologized, saying he hadn't meant to offend anyone? I was trying to lighten the mood while making the point that we're just saying don't use THAT term! The ones I came up would be annoying, but not so offensive. But if you must resort to calling one's opponents names, you don't have a very sharp intellect. A) Yes, I caught the apology B)I NEVER USED THE TERM AT ALL. C) I never called anybody names. Show me. D) If you read any of my posts, they are usually in response to something and go on a point by point explanation of my case. I would gladly do a battle of the wits with you any day. The first part of my signature from my good friend tucker applies directly to you. |
| 2005-07-12 4:37 PM in reply to: #195297 |
Master 1889 Ann Arbor, MI | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? Threads turn, kind of line wayward worms. Don't sweat it. I am all for mens tri's, women's tris, beginner tris and tris with beer instead of a medal. Bring it on! |
| 2005-07-12 4:38 PM in reply to: #196444 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? kimj81 - 2005-07-12 4:35 PM I don't think anyone blames you for the turns this took. It was a perfectly valid question! I, too, was enlightened, as I never really "got it" either. I do! If he didn't call us Cupcakes this wouldn't have happened! *waaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillllllllllllllllll* Edited by Renee 2005-07-12 4:40 PM |
| 2005-07-12 4:38 PM in reply to: #196444 |
| Elite Veteran 1817 Cedar Rapids, Iowa | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? kimj81 - 2005-07-12 4:35 PM ......I, too, was enlightened, as I never really "got it" either. Does not make you one bit less femingnarly, though! |
| 2005-07-12 4:38 PM in reply to: #196445 |
Pro 5153 Helena, MT | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? cerveloP3 - 2005-07-12 2:36 PM C) I never called anybody names. Show me. Read your own blather. That is all. |
| 2005-07-12 4:39 PM in reply to: #196056 |
Champion 5495 Whizzzzzlandia Silver member | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? I have to say, I love pink, all shades, all varieties... but I'm partial to HOT PINK... If given the choice, I gravitate toward hot pink every time. Pink is good. Pink is your friend. Pink is flattering on nearly everyone. My bridesmaid dresses were HOT pink. I have to agree with Renee. I'm a girl, I wear lipstick, I like skirts (although not for racing, really) and high heels... I also LOVE the Reebok Women's Triathlon series and will do it every year it comes to Chicago, and I'm able. It's just a more nurturing environment... It was my first race, and I'm glad it was...All the women were encouraging each other... rooting for each other, etc etc... There wasn't alot of that at my second race, which was my initiation into disk wheels and dudes who pass too closely on the bike, around corners, where-ever they can. Not so much as a grunt "on your left" just a noise, and a dude in a Speedo riding a Zipp wheeled bike. I can tell you that would NOT have happened @ Reebok... partially because it's a haven for beginners... but also partially because women are more polite sometimes!!! I'm rambling. I like pink and women's only events. I also like lots of other colors and co-ed events too. So there. Whizzzzzzzzzz |
| 2005-07-12 4:41 PM in reply to: #196451 |
| Elite Veteran 1817 Cedar Rapids, Iowa | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? Hey Whizzer, since this thread has nothing to do with the orginal topic, and hasn't for some time, may I just say, LOVE the new avatar! |
| 2005-07-12 4:42 PM in reply to: #196451 |
Pro 5153 Helena, MT | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? Whizzer - 2005-07-12 2:39 PM Pink is good. Pink is your friend. Pink is flattering on nearly everyone. Oh, you haven't seen me in pink, yet, have you? I hate pink, but pink hated me first! |
| 2005-07-12 4:44 PM in reply to: #196456 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? I feel pink today. Even with my low blood sugar. In fact, I would go so far as to say if I weren't wearing pink I would have passed out from low blood sugar but the pink in me saved me. |
| 2005-07-12 4:45 PM in reply to: #196439 |
Expert 783 South Bend, IN | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? Communism was Socialism with a boot on your throat. Let's not get me started on you being on the recieving end of a political-economics lesson. According to your argument, being communist does not attach the said person with Stalin, Mao, et al, but Nazi automatically goes to Hitler. Serious double standard. While you don't see extermination as part of the system that is communism, the leaders of the remaining nations that are communist use the threat of extermination, slave labor, work camps, etc. I don;t care if it is Vietnam, China, or the former USSR. Communism is/was not an "economic system." It was an authoritarian/totalitarion rule by force. If not, why the walls to keep the peopel in? |
| 2005-07-12 4:47 PM in reply to: #196451 |
Master 1889 Ann Arbor, MI | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? Whizzer - 2005-07-12 5:39 PM I have to say, I love pink, all shades, all varieties... but I'm partial to HOT PINK... If given the choice, I gravitate toward hot pink every time. Pink is good. Pink is your friend. Pink is flattering on nearly everyone. My bridesmaid dresses were HOT pink. I have to agree with Renee. I'm a girl, I wear lipstick, I like skirts (although not for racing, really) and high heels... I also LOVE the Reebok Women's Triathlon series and will do it every year it comes to Chicago, and I'm able. It's just a more nurturing environment... It was my first race, and I'm glad it was...All the women were encouraging each other... rooting for each other, etc etc... There wasn't alot of that at my second race, which was my initiation into disk wheels and dudes who pass too closely on the bike, around corners, where-ever they can. Not so much as a grunt "on your left" just a noise, and a dude in a Speedo riding a Zipp wheeled bike. I can tell you that would NOT have happened @ Reebok... partially because it's a haven for beginners... but also partially because women are more polite sometimes!!! I'm rambling. I like pink and women's only events. I also like lots of other colors and co-ed events too. So there. Whizzzzzzzzzz AS a self confessed "Girly Girl" I can only applaud you! PINK IT IS! My bridesmaids all rebelled and ended up in Black and White. Bunch of weenies. |
| 2005-07-12 4:48 PM in reply to: #195297 |
Veteran 120 Arlington, MA | Subject: my 2 cents I don't think it's useful, in any way, when using a term that some might find offensive, to argue with them about why they shouldn't be offended. You're never going to win that argument, no matter how much history you trot out or how much you try to shame the person for being offended. Either apologize or ignore them. To argue over the semantics of your argument is more trollish than anything else. With that out of the way, I think most people would agree that men and women act differently based on who they are with. Men with men, women with women, and co-ed groups all have a different vibe and a different standard of what's appropriate. So, a women's only tri creates an environment that would be impossible in a co-ed event...simply because people act differently around the opposite sex, whether it be because of intimidation, attraction, or some other feeling. |
| 2005-07-12 4:52 PM in reply to: #195297 |
| Elite Veteran 781 | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? I have a pink bike helmet and a pink cycling jersey. I also think Whizzzzz's new avatar is fierce. |
| 2005-07-12 4:54 PM in reply to: #196468 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: What is the point of Women's Only Tri's? I want a pink helmet!!!! I do have a pink cycling jersey. And cute socks that are purple with pink flowers. |
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