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 2012-06-20 7:59 AM in reply to: #4123283 |
Expert  819   In the Shadow of the Big House |  Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed- Gabe : S 7 / B 11 / R 11/ Rest Days 2 ; Total = 29; 25:42'36" |
| 2012-06-20 10:16 AM in reply to: #4271039 |
| Maple Grove, MN | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed 21 mile bike ride. - Gabe : S 7 / B 11 / R 11/ Rest Days 2 ; Total = 29; 25:42'36" - Scott: S:6 / B 6 / R 13/ Rest days 4; Total = 25; 19:43:30 - Jim:S 7/B 11/10 / Rest Days 2: Total=28; 24:57':27" - Barry : S 7 / B 5 / R 11/ Rest Days 3 ; Total = 22 ; 19:16:29 - Chris : S 6/ B 8/ R 7/ Rest Days 4; Total = 21; 21:35:22" - Jackie: S 7 / B 5 / R 6 / Rest Days 3: Total = 18; 14:28'57" - Jennie P : S 4/ B 2/ R 8/ Rest Days 4; Total = 17 : 14:02'06" - MatthewS: S 8 / B 6 / R 2/ Rest Days 3 ; Total = 16; 10:57'00" - Rachel : S 7 / B 3 / R 4 / Rest Days 7; Total =14; 25:02'27" - Mike: S 3 / B 5 / R 6 / Rest Days 2: Total =14: 15:44'15" - Scott P : S 5/B 3/R 7/ Rest days 4; Total = 14; 10:51'57" - MarkZ : S 1 / B 5 / R 8/ Rest Days 2 ; Total = 15; 20:27':00" - Andy : S 4 / B 1 / R 7 / Rest Days 1; Total = 12; 12:53':37" - JoeP : S 4 / B 6 / R 3/ Rest Day 4; Total = 14; 15:52:56" - Ernesto : S 3 / B 6 / R 5/ Rest Days 6; Total = 14 ; 14:55'20" - Samyg: S 2 / B 4 / R 5 / Rest Days 6; Total = 11; 9:54'52 - MarkH: S 3 / B 3 / R 3 / Rest Days 0; Total = 9 ; 6:59'00" - Mitch : S 3 / B 5 / R 1 / Rest Days 10 ; Total = 9; 8:19':23 Scott -Ernesto/Chris - Was going to ask a similar question regarding switching from HIM training to marathon training. I have a HIM in early September and then Marathon in October. How do you feel the fitness from HIM training will translate to the marathon? Ask me on October 7. |
| 2012-06-20 11:48 AM in reply to: #4123283 |
Veteran 445 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Chris, I was looking at the marathon date in your last update. Are you doing Chicago? |
| 2012-06-20 12:17 PM in reply to: #4270954 |
Master 1780 Boynton Beach, FL | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed ernestov - 2012-06-20 8:11 AM Higdon's plan has a bit of cross training (bike or swims) on Mondays, truly, no good marathon plan will have a lot of cross training though. The specificity of marathon training requires a lot of running and very little else. If you want to do a good Mary you need to lay down the other two or use it only to recover, if you want to do a good half you will have to reduce running mileage or you will risk injury, but this will hamper your marathon performance. Can't have them both, one has to be an A race and on the other you have to just race for fun. Does the same apply to a half-mary? I have time, but after my November race I am planning on start training for my first HM in February. Could I continue some sort of bike/swim program while doing the HM training, or the same principles as the full marathon training apply? |
| 2012-06-20 12:53 PM in reply to: #4271039 |
Master 2238 Dallas | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed gobluedds - 2012-06-20 7:59 AM\-Ernesto/Chris - Was going to ask a similar question regarding switching from HIM training to marathon training. I have a HIM in early September and then Marathon in October. How do you feel the fitness from HIM training will translate to the marathon? You will have a deep endurance base (granted that you put good training towards the HIM) but don't expect to do well after mile 18 or 20, what happens after the wall is tied closely to your running mileage and two or three key long runs that you simply cannot put in the bag while training for a half, because of recovery issues. Like I told Joe before, you can't win them all. You can DO them both, but one of them will surely have a less than stellar performance. You will have to choose which one. |
| 2012-06-20 12:53 PM in reply to: #4271401 |
Expert 2811 | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed - Gabe : S 7 / B 11 / R 11/ Rest Days 2 ; Total = 29; 25:42'36" - Scott: S:6 / B 6 / R 13/ Rest days 4; Total = 25; 19:43:30 - Jim:S 7/B 12/10 / Rest Days 2: Total=29; 25:48':26" - Barry : S 7 / B 5 / R 11/ Rest Days 3 ; Total = 22 ; 19:16:29 - Chris : S 6/ B 8/ R 7/ Rest Days 4; Total = 21; 21:35:22" - Jackie: S 7 / B 5 / R 6 / Rest Days 3: Total = 18; 14:28'57" - Jennie P : S 4/ B 2/ R 8/ Rest Days 4; Total = 17 : 14:02'06" - MatthewS: S 8 / B 6 / R 2/ Rest Days 3 ; Total = 16; 10:57'00" - Rachel : S 7 / B 3 / R 4 / Rest Days 7; Total =14; 25:02'27" - Mike: S 3 / B 5 / R 6 / Rest Days 2: Total =14: 15:44'15" - Scott P : S 5/B 3/R 7/ Rest days 4; Total = 14; 10:51'57" - MarkZ : S 1 / B 5 / R 8/ Rest Days 2 ; Total = 15; 20:27':00" - Andy : S 4 / B 1 / R 7 / Rest Days 1; Total = 12; 12:53':37" - JoeP : S 4 / B 6 / R 3/ Rest Day 4; Total = 14; 15:52:56" - Ernesto : S 3 / B 6 / R 5/ Rest Days 6; Total = 14 ; 14:55'20" - Samyg: S 2 / B 4 / R 5 / Rest Days 6; Total = 11; 9:54'52 - MarkH: S 3 / B 3 / R 3 / Rest Days 0; Total = 9 ; 6:59'00" - Mitch : S 3 / B 5 / R 1 / Rest Days 10 ; Total = 9; 8:19':23 |
| 2012-06-20 12:54 PM in reply to: #4271725 |
Master 2238 Dallas | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Samyg - 2012-06-20 12:17 PM You will be fine, a half is not incompatible with triathlon training at all, actually quite supportive of it.ernestov - 2012-06-20 8:11 AM Higdon's plan has a bit of cross training (bike or swims) on Mondays, truly, no good marathon plan will have a lot of cross training though. The specificity of marathon training requires a lot of running and very little else. If you want to do a good Mary you need to lay down the other two or use it only to recover, if you want to do a good half you will have to reduce running mileage or you will risk injury, but this will hamper your marathon performance. Can't have them both, one has to be an A race and on the other you have to just race for fun. Does the same apply to a half-mary? I have time, but after my November race I am planning on start training for my first HM in February. Could I continue some sort of bike/swim program while doing the HM training, or the same principles as the full marathon training apply? |
| 2012-06-20 12:59 PM in reply to: #4271821 |
Expert 1109 Guatemala | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed ernestov - 2012-06-20 11:53 AM gobluedds - 2012-06-20 7:59 AM\-Ernesto/Chris - Was going to ask a similar question regarding switching from HIM training to marathon training. I have a HIM in early September and then Marathon in October. How do you feel the fitness from HIM training will translate to the marathon? You will have a deep endurance base (granted that you put good training towards the HIM) but don't expect to do well after mile 18 or 20, what happens after the wall is tied closely to your running mileage and two or three key long runs that you simply cannot put in the bag while training for a half, because of recovery issues. Like I told Joe before, you can't win them all. You can DO them both, but one of them will surely have a less than stellar performance. You will have to choose which one. E, that makes sense and last year after my first HIM I only had 2 months to prepare for the Chicago Mary and felt the effect of not putting all the long runs after mile 20. This year I'm on the same boat as others as I will be doing a HIM in mid Sept. and then switching gears with less than two months to train for the NY Marathon on Nov. 4. |
| 2012-06-20 1:19 PM in reply to: #4271654 |
| Maple Grove, MN | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed baurryman - 2012-06-20 11:48 AM Chris, I was looking at the marathon date in your last update. Are you doing Chicago? Nope. The Twin Cities Marathon. The Most Beautiful Urban Marathon in America® (note the registered trademark symbol.) They are the same day. Twin Cities is, I think, always the first Sunday in October, so it is late this year since that the 7th. Last year Chicago was one week after Twin Cities. Also, I agree with Ernesto regarding half marathons vs. marathons. Half marathons can fit into practically any training schedule. (Although I think you do need some recovery time if you go fast for you. I think my achilles issues were caused by running too long too soon after my March17 half.) |
| 2012-06-20 6:05 PM in reply to: #4123283 |
Extreme Veteran 576 | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed - Gabe : S 7 / B 11 / R 11/ Rest Days 2 ; Total = 29; 25:42'36" - Scott: S:6 / B 6 / R 13/ Rest days 4; Total = 25; 19:43:30 - Jim:S 7/B 12/10 / Rest Days 2: Total=29; 25:48':26" - Barry : S 7 / B 5 / R 11/ Rest Days 3 ; Total = 22 ; 19:16:29 - Chris : S 6/ B 8/ R 7/ Rest Days 4; Total = 21; 21:35:22" - Jackie: S 7 / B 5 / R 6 / Rest Days 3: Total = 18; 14:28'57" - Jennie P : S 4/ B 2/ R 8/ Rest Days 4; Total = 17 : 14:02'06" - MatthewS: S 9 / B 6 / R 2/ Rest Days 3 ; Total = 17; 11:37'00" - Rachel : S 7 / B 3 / R 4 / Rest Days 7; Total =14; 25:02'27" - Mike: S 3 / B 5 / R 6 / Rest Days 2: Total =14: 15:44'15" - Scott P : S 5/B 3/R 7/ Rest days 4; Total = 14; 10:51'57" - MarkZ : S 1 / B 5 / R 8/ Rest Days 2 ; Total = 15; 20:27':00" - Andy : S 4 / B 1 / R 7 / Rest Days 1; Total = 12; 12:53':37" - JoeP : S 4 / B 6 / R 3/ Rest Day 4; Total = 14; 15:52:56" - Ernesto : S 3 / B 6 / R 5/ Rest Days 6; Total = 14 ; 14:55'20" - Samyg: S 2 / B 4 / R 5 / Rest Days 6; Total = 11; 9:54'52 - MarkH: S 3 / B 3 / R 3 / Rest Days 0; Total = 9 ; 6:59'00" - Mitch : S 3 / B 5 / R 1 / Rest Days 10 ; Total = 9; 8:19':23 |
| 2012-06-20 7:31 PM in reply to: #4123283 |
Expert 1480 Somewhere in the Swamps of Philly | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed E & Chris: Thanks for the advice on the fully mary training. I'm going all in on the run training and will not be doing an early fall HIM. May do some short tri races for fun, but I want to kill that marathon in November. Now, I need to settle in on a plan. I will look at the Higdon plan on E's recommendation. From a MAF perspective, how do you recommend tweaking the training plans. All training @ MAF? |
| 2012-06-20 7:35 PM in reply to: #4272519 |
| Maple Grove, MN | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed JoePetto - 2012-06-20 7:31 PM E & Chris: Thanks for the advice on the fully mary training. I'm going all in on the run training and will not be doing an early fall HIM. May do some short tri races for fun, but I want to kill that marathon in November. Now, I need to settle in on a plan. I will look at the Higdon plan on E's recommendation. From a MAF perspective, how do you recommend tweaking the training plans. All training @ MAF? I used the Hanson plan (the free one for my first). I did MAF for all runs that didn't specify a pace. But pace runs are at marathon goal pace. track work is usually at something like 5k pace. Sunday long runs are something like 45 seconds to a minute slower than marathon goal pace. |
| 2012-06-20 7:46 PM in reply to: #4272523 |
Master 2238 Dallas | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed chris2533 - 2012-06-20 7:35 PM x2, Higdon's plan has a bit less load though. I like his approach better. I believe in periodization more than I do on pure volume. Already seen too many runners with impressive running logs but not as good on race day. Same as Chris' opinion on paces. Lots of track on speed days, and don't forget about hills, even if you're racing a flat course.JoePetto - 2012-06-20 7:31 PM E & Chris: Thanks for the advice on the fully mary training. I'm going all in on the run training and will not be doing an early fall HIM. May do some short tri races for fun, but I want to kill that marathon in November. Now, I need to settle in on a plan. I will look at the Higdon plan on E's recommendation. From a MAF perspective, how do you recommend tweaking the training plans. All training @ MAF? I used the Hanson plan (the free one for my first). I did MAF for all runs that didn't specify a pace. But pace runs are at marathon goal pace. track work is usually at something like 5k pace. Sunday long runs are something like 45 seconds to a minute slower than marathon goal pace. Edited by ernestov 2012-06-20 7:51 PM |
| 2012-06-20 8:47 PM in reply to: #4123283 |
| Maple Grove, MN | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed 4 mile run - Jim:S 7/B 12/10 / Rest Days 2: Total=29; 25:48':26" - Gabe : S 7 / B 11 / R 11/ Rest Days 2 ; Total = 29; 25:42'36" - Scott: S:6 / B 6 / R 13/ Rest days 4; Total = 25; 19:43:30 - Chris : S 6/ B 8/ R 8/ Rest Days 4; Total = 22; 22:10:57" - Barry : S 7 / B 5 / R 11/ Rest Days 3 ; Total = 22 ; 19:16:29 - Jackie: S 7 / B 5 / R 6 / Rest Days 3: Total = 18; 14:28'57" - Jennie P : S 4/ B 2/ R 8/ Rest Days 4; Total = 17 : 14:02'06" - MatthewS: S 9 / B 6 / R 2/ Rest Days 3 ; Total = 17; 11:37'00" - MarkZ : S 1 / B 5 / R 8/ Rest Days 2 ; Total = 15; 20:27':00" - Rachel : S 7 / B 3 / R 4 / Rest Days 7; Total =14; 25:02'27" - JoeP : S 4 / B 6 / R 3/ Rest Day 4; Total = 14; 15:52:56" - Mike: S 3 / B 5 / R 6 / Rest Days 2: Total =14: 15:44'15" - Ernesto : S 3 / B 6 / R 5/ Rest Days 6; Total = 14 ; 14:55'20" - Scott P : S 5/B 3/R 7/ Rest days 4; Total = 14; 10:51'57" - Andy : S 4 / B 1 / R 7 / Rest Days 1; Total = 12; 12:53':37" - Samyg: S 2 / B 4 / R 5 / Rest Days 6; Total = 11; 9:54'52 - Mitch : S 3 / B 5 / R 1 / Rest Days 10 ; Total = 9; 8:19':23 - MarkH: S 3 / B 3 / R 3 / Rest Days 0; Total = 9 ; 6:59'00" |
| 2012-06-20 9:05 PM in reply to: #4272605 |
Master 1780 Boynton Beach, FL | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed What's wrong with me? I had to cancel my ride this morning due to rain. It has been raining for most of the day, but as soon as I got back from work I went out during a short break in the weather. Did intervals. It was hot, muggy, wet, had to ride through a few sworms of annoying bugs, and there was this strong headwind against me for the hard portion of the intervals. And I utterly enjoyed. So I ask you again, whats wrong with me? Although asking that question here is akin to me going to a bar and asking for help because I am an alcoholic. - Jim:S 7/B 12/10 / Rest Days 2: Total=29; 25:48':26" Edited by Samyg 2012-06-20 9:06 PM |
| 2012-06-20 9:31 PM in reply to: #4272626 |
Veteran 445 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed 15/3 bike/run this evening - Jim:S 7/B 12/10 / Rest Days 2: Total=29; 25:48':26" |
| 2012-06-20 9:54 PM in reply to: #4123283 |
Expert 819 In the Shadow of the Big House | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed - Jim:S 7/B 12/10 / Rest Days 2: Total=29; 25:48':26" Beautiful night for a run. went out thinking I would just do a quick 3 miler and ended up doing 6. Watching the fireflies dance around in the fields is soo cool! Makes me wish I was a kid again. Thanks for the feedback on the training. With your info in mind, I think I'm going to continue as I have been and keep a run focused plan in mind for the rest of the summer. I'm already half tempted to pull out of the HIM as it is. (The timing of the race is just all around bad for me. I was smoking crack or something when I signed up for it this winter.) I'll prolly just run it for the experience and work towards a better marathon.
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| 2012-06-20 10:33 PM in reply to: #4123283 |
Expert 1109 Guatemala | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed 50 min drainer workout today - Jim:S 7/B 12/10 / Rest Days 2: Total=29; 25:48':26" |
| 2012-06-21 4:14 AM in reply to: #4123283 |
Master 1609 Gold Coast Australia. | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed 12k run this morning at super easy pace. 1:10. - Jim:S 7/B 12/10 / Rest Days 2: Total=29; 25:48':26" I got the "Complete Idiot's Guide to Marathon Training" from the library and it was actually quite good with lots of valuable advice. The reason I got it was to see few alternative approaches to taper and it appears that only 30 min runs are recommended in the 2 weeks prior to the race... I have my marathon in 12 days and by that standard I have blown it already doing 25k run last weekend. What the heck, from now on, only 30 min runs. So drastic taper allowing only 30 min runs in the last 2 weeks is optimal? What say you marathoners? Edited by markz 2012-06-21 4:24 AM |
| 2012-06-21 6:53 AM in reply to: #4272828 |
Expert 1480 Somewhere in the Swamps of Philly | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed 82 degrees at 5:15 am here on the east coast. Ran 1 hour at an easy pace. - Jim:S 7/B 12/10 / Rest Days 2: Total=29; 25:48':26" |
| 2012-06-21 8:22 AM in reply to: #4272909 |
Master 3022 | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Squeezed in a drainer ride late last night. Hope to get to the pool at lunch and convince my 2 year old to go for a ride this evening. I've been struggling with figuring out how much I can do with my injury. Every day it feels better, which is a good thing. It's difficult to tell what's a tendon issue and what's a bone issue. Last nights ride on the drainer was good because it was even spinning at a high cadence. The weekend rides outdoors fatigued the ankle a bit - guessing that was the tendon. Went for a mile walk with my wife and our dog last night and the anle held up good. I'm wanting to do enough to keep my cardio up and also to excercise the legs and ankle - but no too much that I delay recovery. - Jim:S 7/B 12/10 / Rest Days 2: Total=29; 25:48':26" |
| 2012-06-21 9:06 AM in reply to: #4273059 |
Master 1780 Boynton Beach, FL | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed 1,600 swim (16x100 intervals). - Jim:S 7/B 12/10 / Rest Days 2: Total=29; 25:48':26" |
| 2012-06-21 12:45 PM in reply to: #4273175 |
Expert 2811 | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed 5 mile runch 45:25. The heat is killing me. It has been a constant battle to stay below MAF at a slow pace. - Jim:S 7/B 12/11 / Rest Days 2: Total=30; 26:33':51"
Gabe, if I followed a training plan, I would swear we are using the same one. Edited by JBacarella 2012-06-21 12:47 PM |
| 2012-06-21 2:37 PM in reply to: #4123283 |
Expert 1544 Alexandria, MN | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Ahhh, finally home after two weeks away. I'm looking forward to getting my training back on track. Right after I get done mowing the lawn, sorting mail, shopping to fill an empty fridge, putting together new furniture for my 5 year old's room and countless other things on my list. |
| 2012-06-21 4:48 PM in reply to: #4273714 |
Expert 1109 Guatemala | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed JBacarella - 2012-06-21 11:45 AM 5 mile runch 45:25. The heat is killing me. It has been a constant battle to stay below MAF at a slow pace. - Jim:S 7/B 12/11 / Rest Days 2: Total=30; 26:33':51"
Gabe, if I followed a training plan, I would swear we are using the same one. LOL, no kidding Jim, although you wen't over by 45 sec. |
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