Gay Marriage Ban: For or Against? (Page 9)

That works for me.

I consider myself a Christian and don't agree with the group you're talking about, so I might be a bit touchy about it.

bradword,

It's been shown in numerous tests and studies that gays and lesbians have different brain activation patterns when shown images of men and women, smelling sweat, or pheromones compared with straight people.  The brain activation in the gay men was similar to that of straight women, i.e. the gay men were attracted to the men and so essentially no response to the women.  Lesbians were a bit more complicated but had a similar equivalent response.  Other studies show that particularly fertile women tend to have gay sons, perhaps an evolutionary trait that came about to help care for larger family sizes.

So, you would argue that rather than accept the natural feelings and attractions that their bodies  experience, gay people should hide and pretend to be something their not?  Marry someone of the opposite sex that they aren't sexually attracted to so that they fit the "social norms" established by the Christian culture.  Same-sex marriage is NOT a new concept and was practiced by various groups throughout history.

That being said, are you aware in any detail of what any of your neighbors do in their bedrooms?  Do you routinely check to make sure they're practicing good, clean, christian sex?  With all the problems that exist in the world, why does it matter to you at all what two consenting adults choose to do in their bedroom? 

You compare it to drinking, drugs, and child abuse, but it's a completely different type of issue.  Gay people live just like you and all your friends, we aren't freaks or shady characters any more than straight people.  There are no victims, no crimes, we don't hurt anyone else.  What kind of free country mandates how you have sex or who with or who you can love how?   

The incongruity of this all, is this could continue and continue and continue by the time that every single mutli-celled being has been generalized.  In general, guess what, some generalizations are true.  That can not be denied.  Paul's experience is based, probably on the fact that, the Christians that debate this are the ones that have a problem with it. Other Christians, that don't have a problem with it (or do) let judgement take place as they have learned it will.  So, from his experience, he's probably absolutely right.  This forum is easily a testament to back up P's statement.

If a group of people believe it is wrong, fine, let them believe it.  Isn't this judging? In the end, if all pans out according to their beliefs justice will be served.  I'm not a biblical buff, but my grandmother was and the lesson that I most strongly took from her during her lifetime, is that judgement is not ours to do.  There needs to be faith that the process will be executed properly but "someone" a lot smarter than ourselves.  So, debate, definitely.  It's always nice to get things stirred up a bit.  I just think it's telling that some of the greatest Christian Figures of all time have let  judgement take place when "the time" comes, and it's not us that does the judging.  Maybe not linear with the debate that has happened thus far, but really? who are you to judge me?

And some are not.  He clarified his statement since then, so I have no problem with what he actually meant.

Hey, no worries, I personally think most christians are arrogant self riteous and misguided, but that's jsut me. Sometimes generalizations are correct.

And because you believe it's correct that makes it so, right?

Luckily you don't come off the same way.

Derek, I'm slow, and I'm at work......

probably breaking rules in there somewhere......

hope everyone has a great day! 

No problem.  I'm quick and not at work at the moment, so I have time to kill.

I'm just not really big on stereotypes and generalizations of any group, especially when I'm a part of one of those groups.

ZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, Ok, I take it back - I was just stirring the pot... Christians are sometimes good and sometimes bad, just like the rest of us. War is certainly not somthing that christians look for and the'd never resort to violence to establish the dominance of their religeous views *Can't. Stop. Myself... Must... refrain.... Screw it. Religion is evil and causes more pain and death than any other force in the universe and George Bush is the AntiChrist. There, I've just pointed out the white elephant in the room and will accept whatever flaming I get. Good night.

dudes, I'm a christian and I'm gay... just sayin'...

I spend a huge amount of my life defending each group to the other.

I keep hearing two arguments from people against gay marriage.  The first is from people who are against it because they do not believe homosexuality is a human condition, they believe it is a choice.

The second, as highlighted by Bennett, is that if we begin to redefine marriage where does the redefinition end?  If it can be changed to suit homosexuals, why can't it be changed to suit polygamists?  We can't start changing it because there is not stopping that line of thinking once we start it.

Lots of other reasons are presented but I think that most of them can be boiled down to one of these two lines of thought.  Does anyone have an argument that doesn't basically fit one of these two?  If not, then we can narrow the discussion down to these two issues.

I was going to bring that up, but I didn't want to speak for you.

 welshy........just pointed it out because someone on the other side of the fence was defending their inclusion in a generalization.....thought it was sort of funny....

i'm always sitting in the front row at the school of thought, "you can believe what you want, and i'll believe the truth." but that's mostly when I'm being snotty and stubborn.

I've been sorted out by hangloose...i was a little sidetracked

Some of us train in the morning.  FREAK!!!!

Edited to add I go both ways.  Um, on the training thing.

Other side of what fence?

I'm a Christian and I'm a Christian. My namesake Christians aren't Christians, and I therefore wasn't baptized after I moved out of the Christian house. I constantly defend my Christianity to those Christians.

Do I win?

just saying...you didn't want to be included in a generalization as I'm sure many people do not want to be generalized...i'm not poking at you....simply pointing that out

this is a bit sidetracked from the actual debate...which i actually have not yet debated

nuttin bad Derek!

Re. the second argument: We redefined marriage when we said decided it was OK for a black man to marry a white woman. Does anyone think that redefinition opened a can of worms?

Yes, I understand that, but I'm wondering about the "other side of the fence" comment.

I object to ALL people being the subject of such generalizations.  Not sure what side of the fence that puts me on.

Oh...and Renee's "friend" was opposed to gay marriage because it would cost money.