SWBKRUN Mentor Group-"Off Season?" What is that?!! (Page 98)

Havin'Fun - 2009-06-10 8:51 AM

Hey Chet,  Glad to hear you are healed.  My husband did that Mud Run before we left CA.  I was pregnant with my second, so my oldest was just a year.  My son was terrified when a man covered in gross mud (head to toe) came up to him after the race...he didn't recognize it was Daddy.  I took him quite a while to talk to Daddy that day - he did not like the mud!  My husband and I wanted to do the Muddy Buddy in Atlanta this year....but it falls on the day of my daughters first ballet recital.  So, hopefully next year.  Those are fun races! 

fattyfatfat - 2009-06-10 8:56 AM Steve...dumb question.  Can you explain to me how you load and use your aero bottle for the half or full?  I know you said its almost gel like...do you drink it like that then just add water and keep drinking?  

swbkrun - 2009-06-10 11:18 AM

What I do for the 1/2 and Full are a little different...

Half- I will use the 2 water bottles in the rear cage as my main nutrition... 1 is Carbo Pro and Gatorade (about 500 calories), the other will be Infinit w/ hint of Gatorade (the gatorade is the powder form just like infinit, and carbo pro- this bottle will be about 250 calories).  I will also have 2 gels with me (about 100 calories each).  This equals almost 1000 calories (which is MORE than enough).... I put the cage on the frame (see Xlab label in pic) for water at the aid stations.  I will take a GU about 5 minutes before the aid staion, then chase with water and toss bottle at next aid station.  Water is need to help absorb the GU (OTHER WISE GI ISSUES here we come!).  I usually stop w/ Infinit, and Carbopro about 20-30 minutes out from T2 to allow stomach to absorb/settle and get ready for the run.

During a full Ironman I essentially use the same system, but everything is double.  I also use the Profile Design system that you put on your aerobars..... This is the "DUMPING GROUND" for me.  My heavy solutions (about 10 scoops of Carbopro, 4 scoops of Infinit {different bottles, different times}) I but in the front bottle and at each water station I had water in to dilute it some (and swig a little water).  I repeat process at special needs (about mile 70 or so) where I have another bottle of solution (not so strong) and go from there.  This is a much trickier ordeal and everyone is different.

swbkrun - 2009-06-10 11:39 AM

"Normal" by my standards.  I would rather carry less water (weight) and load up these, then grab water if/when neeeded.  That is usually what I take on my training rides, so I stick with what I train with (for the most part).  There have been races where stuff just doesn't go well and you need to make the necessary changes.  I have dropped nutrition before and have to make due with what is on the course.  Your ability to adapt will help you in the long run.  Luckily I don't have too sensitive of a stomach (eat my words right.. 1/2 Iron this weekend...Something is going to happen  now!!!) and can make do out on the course....

ashort33 - 2009-06-10 11:10 AM

Team Shi - got my 5k in this morning. My now PR time was 34:05. Sorry so slow, still some short walk breaks going on, but I did manage to run the first mile and half with out slowing down before going to a run/walk sequence. Even so, I am pretty happy with it, as back at the beginning of April, I couldn't run a full mile and was lucky to get 2 miles in 30 minutes! I am the tortoise -oh cucoo chooo... (think Beatles - I am the Walrus...) Next goal for 5k is under 30min! Hopefully I can get there by the end of July! BTW did I mention it was 81F with 100% humidity at 5:15 this morning -ugh, summer is here in DFW despite the calendar...

SSMinnow - 2009-06-10 11:52 AM

Look out, dumb question ahead.....do you stop at these aid stations?  I always hear about these "mixing this and mixing that" stories during the race, but I never quite understand how it happens.   I cannot imagine doing it on the fly.

To answer your question, I have not mixed gels and H20, but it is on my list of things to try.   In the link Tracy provided, there was a discussion of using Carb Pro and Nunn's together.  I LOVE CarbPro because it settles well, but I HATE Nunn's.  I am trying to figure out the best way to ingest the electrolytes.  I would really like to slam a few Endurolytes and be done with it, but it takes time for them to digest and it probably isn't enough, even given my size.  On top of all that, I am supposed to figure out how to add protein into this conncoction. Ugh.  Too complicated.  I want one thing in one bottle.

TrevorC - 2009-06-10 1:37 PM

So piggy backing on all these posts....I only have one bottle cage on the main stem on the bike. Dumb question, but how do you add another on the frame? Do you drill a hole into your frame? I'm not at the point when I need to behind the seat holder like you hardcores have. Or do I buck on and get the aero bar drink holder thingamajig?

kt65 - 2009-06-10 2:47 PM

Trev- your bike should already have holes for the other cage...or it doesn't.  I don't think you want to just drill holes into your frame!!!    My older Miyata (which I used for my first tri) only had the ability to mount one bottle.  You might have to do the behind seat thing.  I tried that with my Miyata and always felt kind of clumsy with it.  That's one reason I decided to go w/ the aero bar drink holder thingamajig....which I was kind of reluctant to do, because it looks so...racy...and I don't feel very racy...but it sure is convenient to just sip at the straw right in front of you! 

Who's hardcore around here??? Oh, our wonderful mentor Steve?  Let's wish him lots of luck at Boise this weekend...and Roni too!  Barry has an Oly this weekend too!  Okay, let's have it, who else is racing this weekend???

kt65 - 2009-06-10 3:20 PM

Thanks for asking that question Suzy, I'm kind of baffled as to how it all works!  So I just got my Infinit Special Formula and used it on my trainer ride this morning.  I might add a little bit of cyto to it for flavor.  But I was thinking of using my aerodrink for 2 scoops = 232 cal and a bottle on the downtube with another 2 scoops =232 cal and then a bottle of water in my other holder which I can refill along the way.  I just don't think I can drink it if it's too concentrated. 

Then two bags of clif shots in my fuel box.  And a couple of gels in my tri shirt.  It seems like a lot of calories for 56 miles, but I did finish my sport drink for the olympic this past weekend along with one bag of clif shots and half of a bottle of water.  I'm going to try it out on a long ride this weekend and will let you know how it goes.  As per Steve's advice I think I'll switch to just water about 30 min before the end to see how my stomach feels and run about 15 minutes. 

TrevorC - 2009-06-10 3:37 PM

So piggy backing on all these posts....I only have one bottle cage on the main stem on the bike. Dumb question, but how do you add another on the frame? Do you drill a hole into your frame? I'm not at the point when I need to have the behind the seat holder like you hardcores have. Or do I buck on and get the aero bar drink holder thingamajig?

fattyfatfat - 2009-06-10 4:55 PM

Don't listen to Kim!   You have to drill holes in your bike.

kt65 - 2009-06-10 3:47 PM

Trev- your bike should already have holes for the other cage...or it doesn't.  I don't think you want to just drill holes into your frame!!!    My older Miyata (which I used for my first tri) only had the ability to mount one bottle.  You might have to do the behind seat thing.  I tried that with my Miyata and always felt kind of clumsy with it.  That's one reason I decided to go w/ the aero bar drink holder thingamajig....which I was kind of reluctant to do, because it looks so...racy...and I don't feel very racy...but it sure is convenient to just sip at the straw right in front of you! 

Who's hardcore around here??? Oh, our wonderful mentor Steve?  Let's wish him lots of luck at Boise this weekend...and Roni too!  Barry has an Oly this weekend too!  Okay, let's have it, who else is racing this weekend???

ashort33 - 2009-06-10 5:10 PM

Personally, I would take it to my LBS and have them do it.  It seems to me that you will need something more than just two holes so that the little screws stay in and don't fall out....

-Andy

swbkrun - 2009-06-10 5:40 PM Trevor... You must have a Canadian bike.  I have never heard of just one spot for a drink holder... NEVER... Double check please.

Suzy-- Sounds brutal, but what my Brother in law does on extremely hot days is bite's the endurolyte and/or thermolyte pill in half and eat's it.  Says it take everything to get it down (so gross i guess), but it goes right into your system (man I feel like I am talking about a new way to take drugs or something !).  Shoot... Try putting a shot of Tang powder in your drink?  That may help a little?!

To all of you--- I am leaving tomorrow morning, and will be making the 8hr+ drive to stay w/ our friends before the race.  I don't think I will be on-line at all until Sunday night, Monday morning.  Good luck to all of you racing.  You all (ALL OF YOU) will be in my thoughts come Saturday.  If you want to know how things are going you can go to www.ironmanlive.com (I think) to get the race results.... Our race starts @ 2pm so not your normal 7am start.  This is going to be hard for me!?  Anyway no big goals for me... I just want to finish strong, race smart, and leave most of "IT" out on the course. 

XOXOXO to all you.

fattyfatfat - 2009-06-10 2:52 PM

LOL!  My 300 cal/hr doesn't seem like much after reading this.  But totally irrelevant because it works for you! I met a guy the other night who claims to put down 400 an hour in a 1/2...   puke